XFCE is building a new WM and compositor for Wayland

greenjeans · Yesterday 16:10:08

Building from the ground up they say, using Rust. Not dumping X11 though...for now.
https://blog.xfce.org/

"This initiative will utilize a significant portion of the project’s donated funds"

Do tell.

What say ye mousers about this? I don't use it myself so I don't have a dog in this hunt.

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tux_99 · Yesterday 17:04:37

From my perspective as a XFCE user who has no interest in Wayland and who doesn't have any insight into the details of how XFCE is developed it seems good because it keeps the wayland code (xfwl4) separate from the X11 part (xfwm4) so if in future they drop the X11 part it should be relatively easy for someone to for fork xfwm4 and continue maintaining it.

But if my assessment is wrong then please enlighten me.

Camtaf · Yesterday 18:17:42

As long as they keep X11 compatible & wayland compatible up to date, I have no worries....

I've been using wayland on my RPi without any adverse affect, so can't see any problems with this.

brocashelm · Yesterday 20:17:50

Why they are drinking the Wayland Kool-Aid is beyond me. Wayland has been in development for nearly two decades, yet it still can't do a couple of really essential things that X11 had already been doing since the 1990s.

Xfce went downhill after 4.12. It's no longer "lightweight" or "fast". They should've combined forces with MATE devs to fork and maintain GTK2, instead of just sucking up to GN*ME. Just watch, it's going to get worse as GTK3 gets phased out for GTK4, which will obliterate what few "options" users had then.

Altoid · Yesterday 21:27:07

Hello:

bracashelm wrote:

Xfce went downhill after 4.12.

Yes, a huge screw-up.

bracashelm wrote:

... it's going to get worse as GTK3 gets phased out ...

Based on what we have seen, I think we can expect exactly that.

Pity ...

Best,

A.

brocashelm · Yesterday 21:55:02

Thankfully, if we follow what CAFE (fork of MATE) is doing, particularly CTK (fork of GTK3), we just may be able to avoid GN*ME's further enshittification for the foreseeable future. You can also download the official DEB files here if you don't want to or can't compile for some reason.

greenjeans · Yesterday 22:56:07

Yeah, from recent experience it seems to go like this:

1. Hey we're adding support for wayland but we're still shipping X11.
2. Hey we're still shipping X11 but wayland is now the default.
3. Hey we're all in on wayland, but you can still use X11 if you jump through these 30 hoops and re-compile some stuff.
4. Hey we are discontinuing support for X11 for (your own) good.

greenjeans · Yesterday 22:59:18

CAFE (fork of MATE) is doing, particularly CTK

Oh yeah, I have the strangest b.......never mind, i'm just excited.

They need to roll back some Mate goofiness, particularly in Caja. And dump the damn mixer.

brocashelm · Yesterday 23:26:34

I plan on trying it soon on a VM. CTK would at least mitigate much of the GN*ME stupidity along the way. I hope more GUI software will switch to it if they are hesitant on GTK4 or Qt.

greenjeans wrote:

They need to roll back some Mate goofiness, particularly in Caja. And dump the damn mixer.

There was an attempt to fork MATE as OpenMATE, but the author suddenly vanished (along with his GitHub repository). Totally not suspicious at all... 🤔

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