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#1 2026-01-25 00:34:32
- deepforest
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how start ntp?
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i am install ntp from here
pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=ntp=1:4.2.8p15+dfsg-2~1.2.2+dfsg1-1+deb12u1&eXtra
but how start ntp?
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# rc-status
Runlevel: default
rsyslog [ started ]
ntpsec [ started ]
cron [ started ]
console-setup.sh [ started ]
dbus [ started ]
slim [ started ]
sddm [ started ]
bluetooth [ started ]
seatd [ started ]
avahi-daemon [ started ]
cups [ started ]
cups-browsed [ started ]
network-manager [ started ]
acpid [ started ]
elogind [ started ]
gdm3 [ started ]
sudo [ started ]
bootlogs [ started ]
lightdm [ started ]
pulseaudio-enable-autospawn [ started ]
rmnologin [ started ]
saned [ started ]
stop-bootlogd [ started ]
rc.local [ started ]
Dynamic Runlevel: hotplugged
Dynamic Runlevel: needed/wanted
umountroot [ started ]
umountfs [ started ]
umountnfs.sh [ started ]
Dynamic Runlevel: manual
root@devuan:/home/freeartist-devuan# 
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#2 2026-01-25 22:53:53
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Re: how start ntp?
Try ntpsec, use it the same way...
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#3 2026-01-26 05:28:39
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Thanks, but same(
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#4 2026-01-26 08:55:34
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Re: how start ntp?
I don't know about Devuan, but Refracta comes with ntpdate installed. That's what I use.
Although it should run automatically, I run ntpdate manually every day, right after the system boots up and right before I shut down. I do that because my computer is only connected to the internet when I am actively using it.
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#5 2026-01-26 12:02:32
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Re: how start ntp?
There are a half-dozen potential NTP clients available, which you use is personal preference.
The most lightweight is opentpd, while the most modern (and most suitable for machines with intermittent connectivity) is chrony. I can vouch for both currently (as well as ntpdate and ntpsec in the past) working just fine on Devuan.
The real question is: Which one is your GUI nonsense looking for, how is it checking, and why doesn't it see ntpsec? If it's doing something really dumb like looking for a specific init script (or worse, systemd service on dbus), it's not going to work with openrc without some tinkering.
I don't recognise that GUI window, but it looks gtk-ish. Last I heard xfce didn't have a native timezone config whatchamacallit... So MATE maybe? If that's the case it's probably looking for timedatectl+timesyncd, which is a systemd thing so you are likely SOL.
Then again I really don't know why anyone would need a GUI for setting the time to begin with, so personally I'd just ignore it.
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#6 2026-01-26 15:18:36
Re: how start ntp?
That dialog looks like part of the old gnome-system-tools package, which provides a GUI Time & Date utility, along with one for users and groups management.
Perhaps it lacks compatibility with the current NTP clients.
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#7 2026-01-26 15:25:27
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gnome-system-tools is broken, no maintainer any more.
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#8 2026-01-26 16:14:25
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The most lightweight is opentpd, while the most modern (and most suitable for machines with intermittent connectivity) is chrony.
tried chrony, same, not recognise by xfce(gnome!??) time settings
The real question is: Which one is your GUI nonsense looking for, how is it checking, and why doesn't it see ntpsec? If it's doing something really dumb like looking for a specific init script (or worse, systemd service on dbus), it's not going to work with openrc without some tinkering.
I don't recognise that GUI window, but it looks gtk-ish. Last I heard xfce didn't have a native timezone config whatchamacallit...
its xfce(gnome!??) time/calendar settings window
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#9 2026-01-26 16:17:08
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Re: how start ntp?
That dialog looks like part of the old gnome-system-tools package, which provides a GUI Time & Date utility, along with one for users and groups management.
Perhaps it lacks compatibility with the current NTP clients.
huuh, it's mess, so xfce not has own time/calendar app, also as network-manager is part of gnome?
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#10 2026-01-26 23:06:20
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Re: how start ntp?
That dialog looks like part of the old gnome-system-tools package, which provides a GUI Time & Date utility, along with one for users and groups management.
Perhaps it lacks compatibility with the current NTP clients
no its native xfce clock applet(or its gnome app?)
https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/4.20/clock
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#11 Yesterday 12:02:15
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might help to review the results of:
apt info ntp ntpdate ntpsec ntpsec-ntpdate chrony htpdatein daedalus several of them are listed as dummy packages
(no idea what would be listed in ceres)
as always, ymmv
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#12 Yesterday 12:27:34
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FTW I've spent considerable time over the years farting around with ntp.
Here is what I do now on all of my machines:
1. apt remove ntp ntpsec
2. apt install htpdate
3. get on with my life :-)
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#13 Yesterday 13:29:43
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no its native xfce clock applet(or its gnome app?)
Not really. The Clock applet dialog is indeed part of Xfce, but that Time and Date Settings window definitely comes from gnome-system-tools - which Xfce (for some odd reason) still relies on for system time configuration. Without it being present (as is probably the case with the default Xfce installation), the Xfce Clock applet settings will not even show the 'Time and Date Settings' button.
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#14 Yesterday 23:58:18
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Re: how start ntp?
FTW I've spent considerable time over the years farting around with ntp.
Here is what I do now on all of my machines:1. apt remove ntp ntpsec
2. apt install htpdate
3. get on with my life :-)
Same, srry
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#15 Today 00:01:59
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Re: how start ntp?
Not really. The Clock applet dialog is indeed part of Xfce, but that Time and Date Settings window definitely comes from gnome-system-tools - which Xfce (for some odd reason) still relies on for system time configuration. Without it being present (as is probably the case with the default Xfce installation), the Xfce Clock applet settings will not even show the 'Time and Date Settings' button
Understood, thanks.
So, MATE looks more solid than XFCE for this point?
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#16 Today 05:08:35
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gnome-system-tools is broken, no maintainer any more.
and why if this tool unmaintained and have bugs, why Debian and Devuan still use it as time tool?
https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=81938#p81938
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#17 Today 06:25:51
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if this tool unmaintained and have bugs, why Debian and Devuan still use it as time tool
Because nobody has volunteered to fix it yet?
If it's the default GUI time configuration "tool" (which, AFAICT it is not), then it should work with the default ntp daemon.
If it's just a GUI tool among several options... The same applies as with any other software in the distro - there's a lot of stuff available, and it's up to the user to decide which they want to use and check compatibility of their selections.
NTP isn't broken, your chosen optional GUI frontend is. Fix it, report it to the relevant bugtracker(s), or use something else.
You could of course just configure your NTP daemon using it's own mechanisims (and have been up and running days ago), rather than insisting on this ancient unmaintained GNOME castoff GUI silliness.
NTP will keep your clock in sync, GUI or not. How often do you really need to change timezone anyway, and why do you need a control panel for a one-line config change?
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#18 Today 10:19:57
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So, MATE looks more solid than XFCE for this point?
I think so. Last time I tried MATE, it looked more comprehensive and feature-complete compared to Xfce, which is more akin to WMs in terms of requiring external modularity, although in terms of resource usage it's a DE alright.
I would personally much rather stick with MATE, but for some reason as soon as I tried to adjust monitor brightness settings in there, my screen went black. Not quite sure what happened, maybe some kind of hardware quirk. But still, if you're looking for completeness, MATE is the way to go. It does provide its own Time & Date tool as I remember.
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#19 Today 13:34:08
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Re: how start ntp?
I am simply using npt. No graphical tool above, since at least the gnome-system-tools are broken since about 2022 or even longer.
With Daedalus ntpsec was introduced as replacement for the simple ntp, with Excalibur I have installed
ntpsec
ntpsec-ntpdate
ntpsec-ntpdigThe time server(s) to be used are configured in /etc/ntpsec/ntp.conf
That setup is working flawlessly.
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