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@g4sra, well said!! Rolling releases just seems like the thing for gluttons for punishment.
I have had good luck upgrading various Devuan and Vuu-do isos to excalibur up until a couple days ago when I had my first failure, barely even got started and it errored out.
To be honest i'm surprised it ever works, lol, that's a LOT of packages at once!
But yeah, I think i'm with brocashelm and g4sra on this one, looks like i'll be running daedalus for years to come, it's wonderful and stable and in reality should be even more so now that updates should be greatly lessened.
starting in Daedalus the launcher has two additional settings under "Security:"
a checkbox for "Allow this file to run as a .desktop file"
and a checkbox for "Set this file as trusted"
Not in Mate. In either daedalus or excalibur. Nor Openbox.
I think the above post by boughtonp explains it. An XFCE specific thing.
My bad, I haven't used desktop icons/launchers in 10 years, so all I deal with is /usr/share/applications and they are all not marked executable.
With the vanilla Devuan iso's though I left this capability and all other default behavior active. I added a desktop launcher for the Refracta Installer using the Main Menu editor for Mate (Mozo). And it is marked executable and does work. The launcher shows on the desktop and in the file manager in the Desktop folder, but it also makes a copy in ~/.local/share/applications.
That seems confusing.
Hi Mike, welcome to the forum!
Couple things: .desktop files are never executable, if you right click on a .desktop file and view it's properties/permissions, it should not be marked executable.
"insecure location" is weird, is it not in /usr/share/applications in addition to the desktop launcher?
The wrapper is the right one, here's th contents of that script on my machine:
#!/usr/bin/env bash
#
# New wrapper for refractainstaller-yad 9.5.0
TEXTDOMAIN=refractainstaller-gui
TEXTDOMAINDIR=/usr/share/locale/
if ! [[ -f /usr/bin/yad ]]; then
xterm -fa mono -fs 14 -geometry 80x20+0+0 -e 'echo $"Yad is not installed.
Install it or run the text-only refractainstaller in a root terminal."' &
exit 0
fi
installer="/usr/bin/refractainstaller-yad"
# Start script in terminal with sudo. Most live systems have sudo nopasswd.
# If sudo fails, ask for root password.
xterm -fa mono -fs 12 -e "echo 'If user password fails, use root password.' && sudo $installer || su -c $installer"
exit 0Lastly, which live iso are you using?
^^ *you're* ![]()
^^ I'm so sorry man, I had no idea. Are you seeing a doctor about it?
And in you, igorzwx, a symptom of delusional arrogance on steroids.
I'm starting to have a theory on this, hear me out: The real Igor died years ago, and some AI has taken over his personae. It would explain a lot. ![]()
The very fact that you need to resort to a sort of strawman attack vis-a-vis of
accusing me (and half the entirety of the Linux user community) of having hearing loss,
basically signals that you don't have a leg to stand on, and must resort to logical
fallacies to try and support your argument. Even with "perfect hearing" no one perfectly
hears the alleged range of human hearing for 20-20k hz. That makes the subject itself
entirely subjective, any declarations of absolutes that this or that makes music "better",
are therefore nonsense, just as the idea that an individuals tastes in music are better or worser.
But still i'll humor you for the moment and your claims that my hearing (and half the Linux community),
is sub-par in some way (pretty presumptuous claim that).
My hearing though undoubtedly lessened in volume, is still quite accute after decades of
working in music. The legendary Tommy Ramone once said to me "I don't know how you made us
sound so good on that cheap PA system, but thank you!". That was during the South by Southwest
music festival in Austin one year, where I ran sound for 53 bands in 5 days.
I've installed sound systems in over 16,000 vehicles, boats, airplanes, homes, and businesses.
I have a rack of trophies for wins in audio competitions for sound quality. I was part of a team
that was IASCA grand national champions in sound for the 1001+ watts Pro class for several years
running. And not for nothing as they say, but I am a musician myself, and have put my time in
behind the PA as well as in front of it.
Everything you do electronically or via software, changes the music from what the artist intended
it to sound like, even small things like replaygain. I really dislike such attempts, Pulseaudio is
an excellent example of people flailing about with a keyboard and code and making things much worse.
I use alsa precisely because it doesn't do those things by default, it doesn't re-sample, and ffplay
doesn't either, allowing pass-through of the music somewhat less tampered with.
But people who have never heard pure analog, tend to think digital is somehow better, especially if they
do a ton of processing. But do yourself a favor, attend the symphony sometime, and actually listen to
what unprocessed real analog music sounds like, it will do you good. ![]()
Lol, sorry my friend!
You do know how buggy wayland is right? It's basically the reason the gnome devs love it so much. Everybody wants to get hired at Microshite where making buggy software is literally job #1 to support a billion dollar tech support industry.
Since the vast majority of Linux users are semi-deaf, semi-blind, and half-demented,
Well some of them are obviously...
FYI: resampling either does nothing, or it ****'s your music up. Period.
All software processing tends to do the same, and the more you heap on, the worse it gets. Having a keyboard and a grasp of coding does not make a person an expert on sound. And bulls**t you read on the internet (and copy/paste on forums) is mostly just that, means nothing in the real world.
Simple rule-of-thumb: The less electronics and software between you and your music is directly proportional to the quality of your listening experience. The digital age is the worst thing that ever happened to the quality of music.
The problem of systemd is mainly that it never stops growing.
Although, its already bigger than it needs to be.
The entirety of the OS'es of all kinds has the same problem, and the rate of bloat is no longer linear.
Up now. This does not have all possible firmware you might need, this is basically vanilla Devuan, the only firmware I have added is for AMD graphics as my machine would not boot properly without it,
8-11-2025
Newest version, this is updated to today and post-excalibur-release. Some 100+
updates and a new kernel. I am still listing this in Testing as it is non-official
and probably still needs lots of testing. Things to keep in mind:
This is not an official Devuan release, nor a Vuu-do release. This is a user re-spin
of Devuan 6 (excalibur), updated completely as of 8/11/2025 with the Mate desktop environment.
This is a liveCD and includes the Refracta-installer for fast simple install.
This is NOT uefi-enabled. The os-prober has been enabled when you install grub, if you
need to disable it before install, while still in live-session, just edit
/etc/default/grub and /usr/share/grub/default/grub to disable the prober.
Hang tight marma-lade for a while and i'll post an updated Un-official Excalibur iso, I make them using the Mate desktop though, so it might now be what you want, and again it is NOT official Devuan.
I should have a new one up later tonight or early tomorrow, the last one in testing is only a month old, but looks like there's over 100 updates plus a new kernel that will go into this one.
New versions of the OB Z's uploaded and some app updates.
Updates of some important packages including the usual Chromium update. I have added the Vuu-do Manual app that takes the place of all the manual stuff that was previously shoved into the release notes! It has an updated Vuu-do App Info as well and an updated ScrotShot too. Devuan and Debian are moving to the next version very soon, and this version of Devuan (Daedalus) will move to old-stable from current stable. Support will continue for many years though, and i'll personally be using it myself for a long time to come, it is now very mature and wonderfully stable. I will make a Vuu-do 6 at some point, but with so many changes in the new versions of Devuan and Debian, i'll be waiting a while until it settles down some, I expect from the get-go it will have some issues to be worked out.
EDIT: Forgot to mention I added Metaview to the max. Metaview is a new right-click context menu option for
audio/video files that offers to show you the metadata in those files using ffprobe and exiftool.
@stultumanto: Just got around to checking out your project, that looks pretty intense! Got any screenshots of it in action?
I don't mean to toot my horn here (pardon the pun), but I must say this app is amazing when it comes to brevity of code.
1. The gui itself, the playlist script, the recorder script, the local and radio DB scripts, altogether add up to 98.7kb. If you want AlsaTune that's another 39 kb.
2. All the dependencies already come standard in Vuu-do anyway, and also in Devuan and others.
Today i'm also adding a special DB text file for radio stations for the folks in my town, all the local broadcast stations have an internet stream, plus I can of course get stations from however far away that they might like but their radios won't receive.
EDIT: Today's work, moving a tab, moving some buttons etc. cleanup. Tomorrow have to make some error-handling stuff in the radio section more robust.
EDIT-2: TV sucked so I just came back and fixed that error-handling stuff already, lol. This thing is almost done.
EDIT-3: And I set the playlist creator window to always be on top when it's running, that way you can have your file manager maximized if you want while dragging-n-dropping files into the creator window.

Lol, if you take a look at my last screenshot and the songs in the playlist I was making, you'll learn a bit more about me. ![]()
Got to move some code around today, been letting it marinate for a few days just enjoying listening, there's a blues station out of Athens, Greece that is just amazing. I picked up some material I needed yesterday to fix one of my drumstands, so I may even make a little music myself today.
@greenjeans @igorzwx
If that were possible, I would have gotten dementia listening to and laughing at the orange guy in power rambling about nothing for the last 10 years.
As opposed to the doddering old parasite who in his dotage didn't really decide anything and couldn't in fact sign his own name to documents attributed to him?
There's your ultimate poster child for the dangers of dementia right there. Help folks yes, elect them to office...just no....
I think your posts are giving people dementia.
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Linux still does not provide any support for those affected with cognitive decline and dementia.
Not altogether true. Some of us are working to simplify things. All these projects i've been working on lately, that are so simple most folks dismiss them with a laugh or a "windows 95" comment, have many reasons why they exist.
One of the main ones being I live in a town with a large population of folks over 60, my wife in fact does home care/therapy for a 92 year old lady. I'm working on apps that are simple to use and understand, with large print for old eyes, and things like buttons that say what they do right on them instead of symbols that folks may not understand. Things like that.
In Excalibur policykit-1-gnome is gone completely anyway. It is directly replaceable with the mate-polkit. Haven't tried it in XFCE but I have used it in Openbox and it works fine, it is DE agnostic as far as I know.
May need some minor tweaking, I had to replace a couple exec lines in some .desktops with a full pathway instead of just the name of the executable, but that was for some extensions, only one (one of my homemade apps) in /usr/share/applications. But other than that it dropped right in.
I don't see where Pulse is required in the list of depends for xfce4, it does require xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin though (in the metapackage), which requires libpulse and one more pulse library.
I'm assuming you verified that the plugin is installed? That's where the tray icon/control seems to come from.
You also probably need pavucontrol if you haven't already installed that.
Really for that old machine just for music storage, you should roll you up a tiny little Openbox system with pure alsa, nice clean low-latency sound. Just throw something light like Rox-filer and Tint2 on there, you can customize for just that machine and it would be tiny.
You should be able to go into the repo and uninstall Pulse, and when you do it will want to replace it with Pipe. Don't know about XFCE though.
In Mate that's the way it works, and then after you've installed Pipe, you can go back in and uninstall Pipe, and you'll be left with pure sweet unadulterated ALSA, which is the best. The package volumeicon-alsa will install a volume control in your systray.
You may need an ~/.asoundrc in your home folder.
alsamixergui will give you a mixer. libasound2-plugin-equal will give you an EQ (you'll need both the .asoundrc and an asound.conf in /etc for the EQ). They are terminal based apps, but there is a nice GUI app that controls both available now. ![]()
Nice work Altoid!