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Shame, audio engineering is a bit of a hobby of mine. Mostly old-school analog stuff mind, but here I was hoping for a real debate and maybe an excuse to unpack some of my pets test equipment. Nevermind.
That would be a great conversation that i'd happily participate in.
I think I still have an old Simpson voltmeter in one of my boxes of old stuff, circa early 80's.
Wait, Igor may be on to something, i've been sitting here listening to music and Magic Bus by The Who came on, and while it was playing I was singing along, but instead of singing " Too much, magic bus" every time, I started singing "Igor's magic sauce" instead, and the more I chanted it, the more it started to sound better! WOW!
He doesn't even have a basic understanding of human hearing Steve, he seems to believe that everyone has the exact same hearing across all frequencies unless it's been damaged. He's maybe stumbled upon something that fills in the weak spots in his own hearing, and now assumes that's what's right for everyone.
Fletcher-Munson curve was like day one back in tech school.
That's... Interesting. I've talked to people having strange issues with the system bell before, and never really figured out what was going on. That might be a useful clue the next time it comes up.
Crazy huh? I found out by accident, scrolling to the end of a man page in terminal while music was playing. Obviously this is in Openbox only, Mate has it's own built in mixer so you always get everything. Don't know about other DE's.
It's a pain in the ass because you can only play one stream at a time and it will lock the output PCM, but that's not a problem for e.g. a dedicated LMS or MPD music player.
Well, it's not a pain in the ass if you don't need/want multiple sound sources playing at the same time. And I am totally fine with alsa passing the music along without screwing with it too much.
Also, you lose system beeps altogether if you're running pure alsa, but weirdly enough if you have music already playing, you'll get the system beeps, lol.
EDIT: To be clear, I am not trying for anything "bit-perfect", just trying to have the least amount of software possible between the music and me.
Igor you don't know what you're talking about, you need to read more, alsa doesn't re-sample by default, neither does ffplay by the way.
Re-sampling is crap. Music pollution. Nothing more.
^^ Not me bro, i'm hanging in there, and I for one appreciate your input. I'm trying man...
But I also have big love for golinux, she has paid her dues many times more over than I have, I would hope you two can come to a place of understanding.
The flow of info does seem a bit sparse here of late, but likely that's due to so many changes in this new version, folks have lives outside of Linux and need to make a living still, and a new version of Debian adds a lot more to the load. And not for nothing but from what i've seen Trixie is so far something of a cluster**** that's gonna take time to fix.
Hate to lose you my friend, ignore zapper, his trolling isn't even highbrow enough to elicit a giggle.
To the OP: Sorry bro, glad you got it worked out, please don't take this exchange as indicative of what to expect here, things are just especially tense as there's a lot going on in the Linux world lately. Devuan is a solid alternative still as it has been for 10 years, but sometimes it does take a bit more work as it always does when you're working outside the mainstream. ![]()
Another mountain of work the last two days, squashing bugs, then squashing the bugs and regressions from the previous bug-fix etc etc. It's like Murphy's Law, you squash 3 bugs and 2 new ones appear. Converted all the pathways in the scripts for a standard install, the re-scan for new playlists button went bye-bye as it will now auto-update on any new playlists. I used that button for a new function to add radio stations, simple gui dialog with a sanity check to probe the stream inputted to see if it's valid before saving it to the radio DB
It's fairly easy to make something that does a basic job of doing what you want, MUCH harder to make it behave properly. Helluva ride this project has been for me.

@greenjeans
that's strange, I have tested Excalibur with both, XFCE and Cinnamon and never had such boot-tome error messages about missing ALSA rules... (Tested with OpenRC though, could this make the difference?)
Interesting, possibly due to my only testing with systems rolled over from Daedalus to Excalibur, both Mate and Openbox. An error about alsa-restore rules. Come to think of it I haven't checked the most recent iso I made to see if the error was still there.
Steve's right, and crap like this is why I don't use sound servers/mixers. Alsa has no daemon, it starts up when called on to work. Pulse has a daemon, I imagine Pipe does too though i've never used it.
Like I said before, Mate has it's own mixer built in and I imagine KDE does too, so now the OP has 3 mixers stacked on top of each other if using Pulse and Pipe both.
FYI on Excalibur, there's some boot-up errors on the versions i've tried, complaining about some missing alsa rules file, that's actually not missing.
Another forum masterpiece from the one and only Steve_V.
Lol, you think that's gold, just wait until Igor finds this thread. ![]()
Kinda confusing here, do you have Pipewire installed? From those messages it doesn't seem like it.
I know nothing about KDE, but I imagine that like Mate it probably already has it's own mixer installed, so in reality you don't need Pulse or Pipe for sound.
Support for Wayland is not mostly standard. If you're going to use it, you should know it has many shortcomings.
No defeat here, my plan is to eventually fork all the things, fork 'em hard and often. ![]()
"but greenjeans, all muh apps...they all roll with the gnome/redhat protocols"
MAKE NEW APPS THAT DON'T.
Hell even I can make new stuff, and apparently i'm a lower form of life, lol. If I can do it, anybody can.
Spend less time reading the ragebait and re-posting it folks, use that time to do something about it.
Really the problem mostly is in the default theme that gets applied on a standard install of Mate, which is Menta, most of the other themes shipped with it already change the colors of the interior panes of caja. Menta and it's icons are the main culprit, maybe just need to change what the default theme is, the Phenix clearlooks stuff looks okay, as does Blue Submarine.
Here's a screenshot of what i'm speaking of:

I think i'm being misunderstood here, I was simply reporting a small bug. I have no issues re-theming for myself, I was speaking about the default look in Devuan, specifically for the Mate DE as installed using the standard installer iso and choosing the Mate DE. Perhaps it's not an issue in XFCE.
If as said the themes are for all possible iterations of a release, Mate is offered as one of those, and it seems that it wouldn't take much to fix this.
Added a button to re-scan the system for new apps and rebuild the database. I thought of it as kind of a throwaway app but it's growing on me, I sometimes forget I have things installed. ![]()
EDIT: new version 1.0-7 uploaded now.

^^ My pleasure friend, welcome to the forum! ![]()
^^ Yes, but a picture is worth a 1000 words.
Memes are about words and wit. A meme is very often a simple analogy or a metaphor. And metaphors are the most powerful form of data compression in the real (not digital) world, the ability to impart large amounts of info with just a few words and a picture is frequently quite amazing.
FYI I qualify with all the terms in your sig line, but I am Chaotic Good. ![]()
I haven't tried to install it, but just looking at the instructions I see you're using dpkg to install, and that's why you're missing depends as dpkg cannot resolve them. Wouldn't it be better to use apt-get?
I only use dpkg when I know for a fact that I already have all depends installed.
Yeah i've got a copy of that, it would be a cool base for a theme.
Mainly i'm just throwing out an observation. Caja has a built-in way to change the background color in it's windows, so it's easy enough. I don't know if xfce has this same issue. But it's possible to write some css into the theme that changes the default white background too.
Quick one here: Default theme I have seen in Mate, sets the interior color of the file manager windows to pure white (#ffffff), but the issue is that the icon sets mostly set the default icon for text files and many others as being a rectangle that is also pure white. So when viewed in the file manager you can't even see the icon itself, just the filename below what looks like an empty space. Looks bad.
Need to set the interior color for such things to an off-white like #C9C9C9 to give some difference and allow you to see the icon.
Which of course is another piece of garbage brought to us by the idiots at Microsoft.
For sure. I see a lot of other more important issues in XFCE that don't seem to be getting addressed in visiting other forums for linux distros that use XFCE for their default DE. This behavior is a regression, and I don't understand why it exists and other more pressing issues go un-dealt with.
Devuan in my opinion, should choose a different default DE. For a conventional paradigm, Mate is better. And desktop launchers work properly.
it needs to have an xfce-exe-checksum metadata entry created for the file
Oh ffs...that's the dumbest thing i've read all day. This kind of crap reminds me of the one time many years ago when I tried windoze vista.
What's next? some special files, possibly another partition, and a security challenge before you're allowed to see your own grub boot screen?
Oh wait, i'm pretty sure I just described UEFI...never mind. ![]()