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Thanks. Do you mind telling us the steps you took to install it?
You just repeated what I said. I suspect you don't understand that systemd disabled by default still leaves active systemd elements and hooks. Devuan removes those.
Based on the user's results, it sounds like it didn't matter much. I'm guessing the kali-rolling repo probably broke a metric shit-ton of critical packages during the installation process.
it appears to be installing now.
Glad you got it working. Can you mark the thread as "solved" so future readers will know that your method "just works"?
Don't protest too loudly or you might reveal your autist level.
That's adorable.
Anyways, I just tried it out, and everything worked exactly as expected. No dependencies broken or anything. So good call on sharing that.
When bt changed to kali, they inherited systemd hell from Debian.
A lot of people were very unhappy about that, to say the least...
There is a tool called katoolin which I think is mainly used by ubuntu users which might work?
...but Ubuntu isn't going to be much better, in that regard...
Not sure how similar the Kali and Devuan distros are.
...so, your best bet is trying them out in a nonpersistent, throwaway, live environment, and reporting back to us, so as to provide the community some well-researched and tested insights...
Cross-repository includes seen to only work if they're roughly derivative.
...because in a persistent environment, you'll want to be careful when you repomix, especially in light of the systemd-ubuntu disclaimer above.
As an old friend used to say, "nothing beats your own research."
>visit many websites and compare with firefox/ubo
>run tcptrack or wireshark/tshark in the background
>remember that javascript should always be used with extreme caution (or not at all).
crunkbong was actually designed to play around with questions like those in a contained environment.
It's likely that your Linux based OS will continue to "just work" going forward.
The MS Windows I am using right now also just works.
I appreciated the irony in this couplet. The trickle-down effect of RHEL on other distros gives me pause for concern. I imagine groups like this and Gentoo and Slackware will maintain workarounds. I wonder if other projects, including Debian (which is based on systemd and GNOME3), will "just work" in the same way as Windows.
Calling it now: IBM is going to close-source RHEL software like GNOME and systemd, or invent new, proprietary replacements that serve the same, critical purpose. PLACE YOUR BETS NOW.
Also, I wonder what this means for the future of Oracle.
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Devuan 1 (Jessie) | WM: Openbox
What app are you using for the topbar, and can you post/link to a config? It looks great.
Bit O/T but ive found on my machine that Devuan has the fastest transfer speeds via usb when c/p from hdd to usb or vice versa...Whatever is going on with Devuan and usb transfer speeds, it works really well.
Well that's strange. Could any of the devs speak to this?
https://www.respondus.com/products/lockdown-browser/
...Annual licensing of LockDown Browser includes 200 free seats of Respondus Monitor, a fully automated online proctoring solution that adds webcam technology to LockDown Browser.
That's not creepy or anything. Hopefully you're not using this for a class on Orwellian literature lol.
Looks like it rejects VM usage of any sort, too. I would hope your campus has some sort of virtual lab.
Also, if you do want to migrate sooner than later, it may be worthwhile to dump your spare configs in a separate partition or backup; bleach your system and install a preferred Devuan-based alternative; and then copy your backups wherever you desire (or keep that backup partition permanently mounted through /etc/fstab or whatever).
...for aspects of the network analysis (stress is on some), even my scripts are much more useful... But I guess it's great for real time look into what is exactly now happening...
Correct. The idea was to verify that it is reaching out to its home servers. Running a simple "whois" on the IP addresses in my screenshot should confirm, as should visiting 88.198.85.193.
...Reading this and the other comments makes clear that we need to improve documentation what and why we changed things. All the trk-xxx.iridiumbrowser.de hosts are there to find connections which we were not able to disable yet. All these end up at nothing (404 not found) and are not proxied in any way. Essentially Iridium browser should never contact them - if it does then it is a code path we have missed and a bug.
It is perfectly possible that they needed something like just a ping to figure out where else original Chromium leaks user data. That's why it was sufficient to them to just have that part of the info, and it is possible that they were not collecting user data.
The ip address 88.198.85.193 will take you to the Iridium page page, so I'm not sure what the dev is trying to convey there. I'm willing to believe that they aren't collecting data, but it is strange that it is clearly going to their page. I'm also not really interested in skimming any tcpdump packets, because, as you said earlier, the stream is encrypted (port 443), so I doubt there's anything substantial in the network stream. I just wanted to confirm if it was reaching out at all. As I mentioned, whatever part of the code that's reaching out to 88.198.85.193 is not in the same place as it was when the ycombinator article was written, so I'm interested to find out where it is now, and what else it might be doing, based on the source code, not the tcp stream.
It's stock iridium on openbsd, but you get the idea.
If anyone wants to run something a little more sophisticated than tcptrack, I'm all eyes. All of this further disincentivizes me from using chrome-like browsers for any reason.
You risk dealing with an unbelievable amount of breakage by "migrating" (I'm assuming you mean changing the repositories in /etc/apt) from Bunsen to Devuan. I say "risk" because no one has documented their experience with that kind of transition. Debian->Devuan is a little different, because the packages are similar enough, but other projects and their non-Debian repos may give you a headache. You're welcome to try it, and document your findings, but I'd be surprised if anyone here could speak from experience.
I was hoping to generate some suggestions for "free as in freedom" hardware -- particularly with wireless networking devices. Proprietary wireless firmware seems to be creeping itself into the status quo, and the "smart-[technology]" movement isn't helping much.
To be honest, I'm asking because it's something that I feel I still know little about, so I'm open to anything and everything.
@Ron: I had no idea that hyperbola continued the name. Thanks for the share! Also, I didn't realize that 60.x was now in the Ascii security repo. I had skimmed the debian package list for esr and kept seeing 52.9 in the main repositories.
I guess to try to rectify this back on topic...Waterfox sound works as expected without pulse? ^_^ (I'll see myself out the door now.)
I really don't understand your post.
My point is that the ESR branch is no less an "old" version of Firefox than any of the listed derivatives: they all use "old" code and are actively maintained, their UIs being clear, visual examples. The biggest difference is their project's goals. ESR sacrifices "newness" for overall stability and security updates. Its forks are separate projects, with their own separate goals, and there are already threads here which profess their pros and cons.
I read somewhere that Iceweasel is now forked from Basilisk
I am curious where you read that iceweasel is something other than a transitional package to firefox-esr.
Where it [Palemoon] totally split off from Firefox is immaterial.
The very "material" difference is the upstream Firefox ecosystem -- which is creating some of the problems that OP inadvertently discovered. Without Mozilla's objectives changing over the years, PM would never have had its past; because it is still changing, and significantly, PM may lose an advantage in the future. On the other hand, the ESR branch will, at least, be "stable enough." Many people are okay with that.
Instead of using an old FF version...Pale Moon, Basilisk, Waterfox, or Iceweasel?
Uh...have you looked at the version histories that each one is based on? And which ones have been unmaintained (for several years)?
On the note of apulse, has anyone tried just adjusting their ~/.asoundrc?
https://codelab.wordpress.com/2017/12/1 … he-rescue/
It's not clear how bad those "Replace URLs to Google services by URLs to our own server" was...
Not what I expected to read from someone so committed to projects like grsec. Am I in a coma...?
Anyways,
...it's old. And it's unsolved...Anybody knows of a follow-up where that issue was better explained, cleared up?
I wouldn't necessarily say unsolved so much as "probably unexplored." The troublesome code, according to the user "skymt", is located in chrome/browser/history/web_history_service.cc. I don't see that file in the source code anymore. I skimmed through similarly-named files and didn't see any explicit URLs.
https://github.com/iridium-browser/irid … er/history
That's not to say that a similar function isn't embedded elsewhere in the source, though.
One thing I have not yet tried (which I assume someone has, by now) is opening up a tcpdump session with iridium. I do have all telemetry disabled, to the best of my knowledge, so I'll be interested to see what can be found, and what happens when I use a blank config folder.
Yeah I'm not sure if Ungoogled Chrome is the gold-tier for privacy, but if that's what works for you...
@dx: you're absolutely right. It's a shame that javascript is becoming a new "norm."
That makes sense. I use it on my work PC and haven't noticed that behavior, but I also only navigate to bookmarks through the nav bar "suggestions." (It's the only one I enable.) I use Waterfox on Linux as a compromise between stability and using the new (quantum) add-on api.
How long did it take the Mozilla crew to realise that those damn 'rounded borders' were crap?
+1
@Altoid: if you might humor me for a minute, what about Quantum did you dislike? Was it only the UI? I'm just curious.
ungoogled chrome: iridium (preferred); chromium (backup)
firefox: waterfox (preferred); esr (backup); quantum (work pc)
minimal: surf2 (preferred webkit); w3m (preferred if I'm working in a GUI-less environment)
I prefer firefox/waterfox with the following: ublock origin, umatrix, canvasblocker, shape-shifter, privacy settings, decentraleyes, WebRTC Blocker, and smartreferer (although I think uBo and umatrix have similar settings). You can also install these on Android Firefox/Fennec F-Droid.
Edit: true privacy online is really a deep conundrum. You'll probably want to study some networking concepts and methods outside of the scope of your browser alone.
What would be the best way to check?
Remove the rule
iptables -A FORWARD -j REJECT
to see if it works without it.
Same behavior. Here's my current config:
# iptables -L --line-numbers
Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
num target prot opt source destination
1 ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp dpt:domain
2 ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp dpt:domain
Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT)
num target prot opt source destination
1 ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere ctstate RELATED,ESTABLISHED
2 ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere
3 ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere
4 ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED
5 ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere
6 ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED
Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT)
num target prot opt source destination
1 ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp spt:domain
2 ACCEPT udp -- anywhere anywhere udp spt:domain