The officially official Devuan Forum!

You are not logged in.

#1201 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-09-17 20:39:22

fungus wrote:

I forgot to add to my vuu-do wishlist a menu item to edit the hot-key list

If you have any suggestion, it took me for ever to find where once and now I want to edit it again and don't know where it is.
I should have made a note but now I would be looking for the note.  smile   No, I have a vuu-do forlder, just saved the script in it.

It's always been there in the Configuration menu , Advanced >> Openbox >> Edit Openbox RC,  just click that, it will open in the text-editor, scroll down a ways and you'll see the entries. wink

#1202 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-09-15 20:34:14

New version 1.0.3 Vuu-do Openbox-64-maximal up : https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … 4-maximal/

Best Vuu-do yet! Dang, forgot to take new screenshots.

So much is new and different in this edition it would take way too long to detail, and much of it you might not notice, but you'd notice if it hadn't been done, if that makes any sense.

Tons of work on the menu and the default icon set, expanded menu with more options, configuration options and programs to do it added. Conky display re-worked and much more informative and useful.  Some utilities and programs more tightly integrated into desktop for a smoother quicker experience. Background and additional options added to screenlocker. Added lxrandr for a lightweight frontend for xrandr. Fixed little bugs and inconsistencies too numerous to mention. Fully updated and current as of earlier this week.

Enjoy and let me know what I missed, always more stuff to do and fix. wink

#1203 Re: DIY » Backup Media? » 2017-09-15 18:51:02

Adding another vote for Refracta-snapshot in the strongest possible terms. Don't linux without it!

#1204 Re: Forum Feedback » Auto-logout » 2017-09-13 21:30:47

fsmithred wrote:

I've gotten into the habit of highighting/copying my message to clipboard before hitting Preview or Submit. If I've been logged out, I can just log in and paste the message.

+100

Been doing this for years and use it everywhere without fail.  Even if a forum doesn't boot you, sometimes a router will, or service goes down for a sec.

#1205 Re: Other Issues » [Solved] Minor issue with shutdown, some process failing to stop » 2017-09-13 21:02:03

nixer wrote:

Sorry to resurrect this old thread but, care to share how you got it sorted out?  I know there is a problem with rsyslog in ascii, but I have one install of jessie (devuan) that does have this problem.  Is it easier just to use a different logging program like syslog-ng or busybox-syslogd?

Sorry, I should have posted at least the short version, basically I had wiped out two log files in /var/log/  using the snapshot exclusions when I made the iso.

Almost all files in /var/log/ are automagically re-generated on a new install, but there were some that don't, and rsyslog was hanging because it was trying to write to two files that didn't exist.

I'm pretty sure it was "btmp" and "wtmp" but I had also excluded the /var/log/fsck/  folder which has two files in it, it's possible they may have been the ones, that's as close as I got it narrowed down.

I replaced those files and the problem went away immediately.

#1206 Re: DIY » Openbox Nightmare theme with XFCE? » 2017-09-10 21:09:24

+1 on Numix Frost, beautiful theme. And compatible with most DE's and window managers.

@FSR: It's in Miyolinux, that's where I got it too.

#1207 Re: Off-topic » recordmydesktop: testing it, because it doesn't require pulseaudio? » 2017-09-08 22:39:23

Such good info guys, thanks!!

Yeah I tried that cvlc command too and it's really cool without all the toolbars, but unfortunately no controls when you run that way.

If we could figure out a way to fool that controlless window into thinking it's been maximized to fullscreen, then maybe we could get the popup controls that appear when you are running regular video/DVD fullscreen to work with the webcam "cvlc" window??

Wouldn't that be trick? I started messing with it looking for an way to give folks an easy solution for playing with their webcam without having to install Cheese or something else, since VLC is already installed on my stuff and already does everything anyway.....was hoping at least the v4l2:// command was mostly universal so I could maybe add a menu entry for convenience.

cvlc v4l2:// --fullscreen

  will give you the window fullscreen, you can hit escape once and it will shrink some and you have the regular window controls in the upper left, but no popup menu sadly.

Not having the problem with it shutting down like Miyo is though, weird.

#1208 Re: DIY » Installing GNOME on Devuan Ceres » 2017-09-07 20:26:25

shwsh wrote:

As you all gnow, GNOME, the pinnacle of desktop GUI design,

LOLOLOLOL!!!

Nice! I literally LOL'ed out loud, people are looking at me funny in the coffeeshop. wink

Seriously though, nice work getting the bad tablet/phone-wannabe-interface to actually kinda work for a change, I gotta say that takes some serious skills, kudos!

#1209 Re: Off-topic » recordmydesktop: testing it, because it doesn't require pulseaudio? » 2017-09-07 20:19:55

You know you can do this with just VLC right?  File >> Capture device >> and then hit the dropdown "capture mode" at the top and change from  "Video camera" to "desktop".

While on this subject, if you get a chance, will you try this in terminal or gmrun :

vlc v4l2://

FYI that's an 'L' after the 4, it's actually video4linux2, first time I tried it I thought it was a one.

That should launch your webcam with VLC, trying to see if this universally works, works on all my machines, v4l does a great job of figuring out the correct device.

#1210 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-09-05 22:45:51

zapper wrote:

Why would anyone even want jessie now that debian 9 has been released?

Couldn't tell ya, I don't use Debian and really wasn't waiting for them to release 9 to start doing so, you'll forgive me if I don't get that excited or ever even really pay attention to what Debian is doing and don't care. wink

zapper wrote:

We need to work on jessie too granted, but ascii is more important in my opinion.

Why?

Jessie is stable and works, it does every conceivable task I could ask a computer to do and does it well.  By FAR the lion's share of users want exactly that, 99.9% of them couldn't even tell you what a kernel is, much less which one they are using.

The only people clamoring for the latest bleeding edge distro-breaking whizzbangs, are a very few users that need some newer firmware, and a bunch of hardcore linux geeks that must have the latest everything for reasons even they can't fully explain or understand.

Given those facts, it's more than a little ridiculous to try and lobby people like the VUA's (who are trying to make a nice stable operating system for folks to use), to give that up and focus solely on trying to break as many computers as possible with buggy untested unstable software.

Plenty of work to be done on the stable branch, it's just a stable canvas to work on, people haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what it can do, or how to put it together in new and better ways.

And not for nothing but there are plenty of things to fix left by buggy gnome and redbutt annoyance-ware, and if we keep avoiding those issues they will never get fixed, there are bugs in Mate that have been there for over 5 years and before that in gnome2 and are STILL broken, while Mate actually brags (..shudder..) about switching to GTK3.....

Not gonna push the VUA's to do things any faster by making posts demanding they hurry up or by belittling the work they've already done, just gonna piss 'em off eventually and delay things even more.. it's childish and it needs to stop.

People have no idea of the true mountainous amount of work that has to be done to put out a distro like Devuan, no idea at all.

Zapper, sorry, not all this is directed at you, just needed saying and you caught the short straw this time.

#1211 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-09-05 21:47:49

Almost forgot to post this, I decided that for future Vuu-do releases, that it will follow the Devuan releases insofar as being alphabetical, the current 1.*.* series of Vuu-do is just jessie like Devuan, starting with ascii (when ready) it will be alphabetical order.

The animal naming scheme for Ubuntu is one of the few things I like about it.

So the ascii version of Vuu-do will be................................................................................

................ARMADILLO!

lolololol! Got a little cartoon vision in my head, Golinux chasing a fat lil Vuu-do armadillo around the yard with a stick. hahahaha! wink

#1212 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-09-05 21:42:54

fungus wrote:

In another distro, where newer versions of packages appear faster, it appears that conky is having problems without systemd.  It requires a libsystemd.0 which the non-systemd people didn't catch on time to include a dummy libsystemd patch.  I suspect this may float downstream at some point and reach devuan.  Also despite of how nice the obmenu-generator seems it keeps crashing on me and gives me all kinds of strange messages about desktop.free.crap missing etc.  So I gave up fighting and returned to plain obmenu which works the same with no icons, and less ram smile

Without an autostarting panel and with obmenu-generator crashing and without a hot-key set-up for terminal (like a vuudo chile) you can get stuck in a pretty background screen unable to do anything.  So if you don't have something like good'ol LXDE how do you get to console to edit openbox/autostart and add a panel?  Recovery mode?  Pain in the freaking 5th wheel.

I think a hot key terminal is a life savyor.

From the Release notes of the new version i'm working on now:

Greenjeans closing note: I'm pretty sure if you try to update Vuu-do (jessie) to ascii or ceres that it will all go to hell, please record your epic cussing fits on video for my later enjoyment, i'm especially gratified and entertained when people throw stuff.

I'll make a Vuu-do ascii when there's a stable ascii, but i'm not in a hurry, it's a ton of work for the VUA's and i'm just glad they do it.

And in any case, this branch is supported for a couple of years or so, and the 3.16 kernel is LTS too, and believe me there is _plenty_ of work that can be done to make the stable branch even better, it's a field day for creativity because it's pretty dang hard to screw up Devuan stable too badly with your hacking, ask me how I know. wink

peace y'all,
~GJ

big_smile big_smile  wink

#1213 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-09-05 20:27:00

Bloody hell, I just checked my spam folder in gmail, first time in quite a while, and there was a note from FOSSuser recommending adding a battery indicator in the conky display from back in early August. Google mail is such crap, I specifically whitelisted everything Devuan a while back, so didn't think to look into spam folder. Could have implemented that battery idea over a month ago....{sigh}...

Better late than never though, thanks FOSSuser, awesome idea and I agree 100%! smile

Please keep suggestions coming guys when you have time, this helps a LOT.

#1214 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-09-05 19:59:03

Wow is this stuff a lot of work, spent many hours this weekend. But starting to get excited about next version, I have done a ton of stuff and it's all working great so far, exposed some more functionality, fixed tons of little stuff, much work on menu, icons, .desktop files etc.

Kinda had forgotten I set obsession.conf to use i3lock, after Somewhat_Reticent mentioned it I tried suspend with locking activated as it currently is on new iso's, and it is a little weird like that, so have now disabled it as default, to enable just edit ~/.config/obsession.conf, it's just one line, un-comment it and it will enable screenlocking on resume from both suspend and hibernate, I put some notes in that file and a lot of others too, so as to help folks trying to re-configure their system. I am going to work on an image background for the locked screen later today, that gives some basic info to make this process nicer.

Added a gstreamer alsa plugin that for some reason nothing seemed to actually depend on, but it might expose some extra functionality, in that vein I also added the extra alsa plugins package too, and an equalizer for alsa. I added menu links to EQ and Mixer and volumeicon right-click offers the mixer as well, had to add some geometry settings to the commands to open the two programs, the default lxterminal opening window size was not quite wide enough to fit all the columns and so would have a small sidescroll, a small thing, but it's the details that count yes? wink

Added some options for screenshots, Scrot doesn't have a pretty GUI ike mate-screenshot does, but it will still do everything, just have to make right commands, so I added a sub-menu with 3 options, Desktop (entire), Desktop-5 second delay, and Select area w/mouse.

Refracta tools gets it's own sub-menu with all 3 fabulous programs there, it's now under 'Advanced' section because they definitely belong there if anything does, I also NoDisplayed the .desktop files for Refracta to avoid menu redundancies, I modded a LOT of .desktop files for this reason and it really cleaned up the menu, yes you'll get some back if you update and don't retain or re-mod the files, but at least you start off with a nice clean install, and that alone made it worth doing for me.

Obmenu generator is pretty heavily modded now, i'll share the code if anyone wants to play with the new stuff, but it won't all work right if you don't have the current Oxy2-ZEN icon set on my Vuu-do build partition amongst other things.

@Miyolinux and users: Hey FYI and maybe you already figured this trick out, but if your icons in the menu seem a little low-res and fuzzy, go into the config.pl file and find the setting for icon size, change that to 48 (default I think is 24), this will force obmenu-generator to use the larger size and shrink it to fit the menu size (which I think is also 24), giving you MUCH sharper icons, the difference was pretty dramatic on mine.

New conky settings rock, the battery and AC adapter notifications are already saving me headaches, lol. Current ConkyRC file down below if you want to try it, not sure this will be the final for new iso, but it's very close and I like it a lot.

Fixed system tray which was using different color for tooltips than the rest of the panel was, it's little stuff like this, just tons of 'em when you start to really look at the system.

Some extra artwork, maybe an extra desktop background, certainly some new icons, screenlock image, etc. So much else, can't remember all right now, here's a screenie though (stupid internets makes pic look fuzzy, it's actually sharper and clearer than ever on the machine):

LM97zGT.png

ConkyRC:

alignment top_left
background no
#border_margin 5
border_width 5
default_color 999999 
double_buffer yes
draw_borders no
draw_outline no
draw_shades no
gap_x 10
gap_y 10
maximum_width 1000
minimum_size 800
no_buffers yes
override_utf8_locale yes
own_window yes
own_window_title conky
own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
own_window_transparent yes
own_window_type normal ## normal /override /desktop
text_buffer_size 8000
total_run_times 0
update_interval 1
uppercase no
use_xft yes
xftalpha 1
xftfont Freesans:pixelsize=9

TEXT
${voffset -5}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=30}${time %A %B %d, %Y %l:%M %P}${font}

${voffset +2}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=16}RAM: ${mem /} / ${memmax /}    HD: ${fs_used /} / ${fs_size /}    SWAP: ${swapperc /} / ${swapmax /}

# If you are running Vuu-do on a desktop instead of a laptop, comment out the next line directly below this one to remove battery/charge info
${voffset -8}battery:  ${battery BAT0 /}     ac adapter:  ${acpiacadapter /}
${voffset -7}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=12}${alignc}
-----------------------------------------------------------
alt + f = file manager
alt + t = terminal
alt + l = lock screen
alt + s = suspend 
alt + h = hibernate
alt + r = reboot
alt + p = power-off/shutdown
alt + c = conky on/off switch
prt sc  = take screenshot 
-----------------------------------------------------------

${if_running exaile}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=16}now playing :  ${execi 10 exaile --get-title}  –  ${execi 10 exaile --get-artist}$endif

#1215 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-09-02 22:18:06

New Mate maximal up today: https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … 4-maximal/

Almost done with the Mate mini, had to update today and might finish tonight or tomorrow, probably be up Monday or so.

And that will be all the 1.0.2 versions up.

Already working on 1.0.3, some nice config changes already happening, working on perfecting icon set too. Making some changes to conky, changing the HD listing to "used/total" config to match RAM and added a line for Swap too. I'm not into big giant conky displays, trying to keep this one pretty small and only really useful info, so with that consideration I added a couple more things, since the xfce power manager doesn't offer a tray status icon, and Mate's is completely broken and doesn't work right anyway, I put a simple battery status line in conky that displays the battery's state (charging, discharging, charged) and it's percentage of charge remaining. Next to that a line that simply lets you know whether the AC adapter is off or online.

Anybody have an opinion on the best config tool for Alsa? Somewhat-reticent is right, needs to be some more detailed config of sound in the Openbox Vuu-do's. Quite a few choices when you search on alsa in synaptic. The mixer is already onboard and clicking the volume icon will offer it, alsamixer-gui in the repo is just a gui version of the mixer which normally opens in terminal if I recall correctly, so that won't help much.

Also, wondering if I should provide a better way to choose video resolution in Openbox? I never have to mess with it usually, if I do I use xrandr in terminal, but maybe I should include arandr? Again though it seems like a kinda half-baked gui that looks and does the same thing as xrandr does in terminal....

And lastly, I have added some time configuration in the Openbox versions, zone-change-via-right-click on the clock and NTP is onboard maximals and should correct just fine. But I can't seem to find a GUI frontend to change time manually like you can in the Mate versions, anybody know of one that works in Openbox?

#1216 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-09-02 21:53:19

fungus wrote:

One small addition, there is also at least one more place (for a sinle user system) in /root/.confg/obmenu.... so if root is logged in will have the great Miyo menu as well.

+1, I do this for root account, I never usually log in directly to root account though I do a ton of su/admin tasks every day, but I know some folks just run strictly as root all the time.

Also need to copy tint2 config and openbox configs into root account if you want identical experience.

#1217 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Wicd/system-wide permissions? » 2017-09-02 21:47:37

MiyoLinux wrote:
greenjeans wrote:

So I guess nobody uses Bleachbit?

Keeps my system nice and clean and fast.

All hail to Bleachbit! I am fully sold on Bleachbit's bleachiness! smile

LOL! YES!!

Hey by the way, thanks for the detailed and awesome rsync info, it will be implemented ASAP as I am right now suffering through the wait period of another http upload, having had one fail on me already today, lol.

#1218 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Wicd/system-wide permissions? » 2017-09-02 19:57:54

golinux wrote:
garyz.dev1 wrote:

Not sure how your ~ (home) is setup - but I noticed my.xsession-errors was upto 6.8Mb  !!

You are not alone! https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1515  Mine is already back up to 30mb.

So I guess nobody uses Bleachbit?

Keeps my system nice and clean and fast.

#1219 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-30 22:33:40

FYI: VLC is installed already in the maximal versions. ;-)

If installing it on a minimal, Synaptic is the recommended way as it is for all packages in Vuu-do.

#1220 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Wicd/system-wide permissions? » 2017-08-30 21:01:59

To me it sounds like you went over on space during the update, and thus may have gotten partials, half-installs etc.

I'm pretty sure you broke that install my friend, sorry. I would save the data you want to keep and start over with a clean install, only takes a few minutes anyway.

#1221 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-30 20:45:17

MiyoLinux wrote:

All machines aren't created equal...apparently. The "override" setting works perfectly on my old HP dx5150...doesn't work worth a flip on my Toshiba laptop. tongue

That's what i'm finding out, it's not only different desktop environments that require some different settings in conky, the hardware itself can flip the whole script so to speak.

Once it's tweaked though it works great.

#1222 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-30 20:41:01

fungus wrote:

I remember you (miyo) advising some of us to turn recommended pkgs off as dependencies, so I'd hate to return the advise.  But is it possible synaptic is including something that makes it work better?  I am lost recently in where does synaptic draw its dependency structure and how does it differ from apt and apt-get.  Also I have read that between jessie and stretch there was a decisive move to make apt a primary tool and apt-get is to be cautiously used by educated users on their differences.  I am not sure where there is documentation that describes in which way does devuan differ from debian in this respect, if it is different.

Synaptic has always done a great job for me, and I use it primarily because it's what I expect the end-user will use, non-computer savvy folks like their gui's and so do I really.

On packages from outside the repo, I always use dpkg, I literally never use apt and have always run that way.

#1223 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-30 20:35:47

Somewhat Reticent wrote:
greenjeans wrote:

From the releases notes which are also posted as the readme file on SF:

Thanks! Sorry (TL;DR) I missed that - i3lock-color and i3lock-fancy look nice at UnixPorn and DeviantArt - maybe if the screen didn't stay dark when returned from suspend, and show a lock? Just a thought. How can I configure it? (what about a switch-user option?)

As simple as it is, it does have some configuration available, the command currently used to lock is " i3lock -c 000000",  this tells i3lock to lock the screen and fill it with a solid color while locking is activated, it uses regular color hex code for that, '000000' is obviously black but you can use any color. You can also use a picture for the background instead, change that command to " i3lock -i /path/to/your/image.png" .

The man page for i3lock gives all the options, there's quite a few.

I thought quite a bit about the screenlocker before I settled on i3lock, tried most ways to do it, but the more I used it the more I got hooked on the simplicity and the speed, and no service or daemon or applet running to use it.

But I also kinda figured some folks wouldn't read the instructions and would flip out the first time they tried to use it, lol, so thus my hesitation and seems it was well-founded, but try it for a while, I promise it'll grow on you, it's a very openboxish way to do things IMO.

#1224 Re: Other Issues » Samba/filesharing problems » 2017-08-29 22:05:56

fsmithred wrote:

If you just want to access the server from the local network, nfs will work. You can either add the nfs shares to the fstabs of the clients, or you could install autofs and set it up so the shares get mounted automatically when someone tries to access those files. There's also sshfs, which is more secure...   (edited to remove wrong info.)

Look for a howto on setting up nfs on debian. Same for autofs if you want that.

Seconding this, nfs has worked great for me in the past. Easy to learn too even for a guy like me that's not really into the networking end of things.

#1225 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-29 22:00:59

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

return from suspend to blank screen - some keystroke got a small green circle, which developed an orange part at top, then blanked back out
told power manager to shut off on power button - didn't

From the releases notes which are also posted as the readme file on SF:

Screen-locking is enabled and shortcut is noted in conky display (Alt + l) in addition to main menu. This is only a locker, not a screensaver, the program is i3lock and it just blanks/locks your screen.

To unlock simply type your password and hit enter, i3lock doesn't give you a pretty unlock-gui like mate-screensaver or xscreensaver, you just get a simple green circle once you start typing and then after you finish and hit enter it unlocks immediately. So there is no daemon running sucking up power and ram, and the i3lock program and dependencies only add up to half a MB, so it's lightweight and very quick.

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

And synaptic is blinding.

I checked after you asked, on the Mate build partition but forgot to check the Openbox one, the mate one didn't seem bad and seems to follow the theme fine, i'll check on the one in Openbox tonight and if it's too loud i'll definitely see about turning it down some, that is one of the goals of Vuu-do for sure, to be easy on the eyes, thanks for bringing that to my attention. ;-)

Don't know what to say about your wicd issue, works flawlessly here so I don't have any reference point to start troubleshooting anything.

Alsa has also worked really well, and did so from the get-go without any configuring on my part, I left it just like it originally came in Miyolinux and it's worked wonderfully in every install, I was so stoked to try something that didn't include Pulseaudio and worked right that I never stopped to check any configs.  VLC fires right up with good sound on my machine as does Exaile, and FYI all Vuu-do's (maximal) will play DVD's out of the box.;-D I'll check it out though and try to make it better.

But again that makes it hard for me to see what's going on with your machine, part of my problem is that both of my laptops are HP/Compaq and so are the last half dozen or so I have converted to Linux in the last few months for some reason, an endless stream of cheap AMD APU's, I could really use some different hardware for testing at least, i'll check with my local pawn guy to see what he has, other than HP what would y'all say was the most common laptop? Dell? Toshiba?

Board footer

Forum Software