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Something just occurred to me; I'm going to try one more thing to see if it's even more simple...
I'm not sure if removing the obmenu-generator folder and obmenu-generator are actually necessary.
I'm going to try just copying the schema.pl and config.pl files as described above. Then I'm going to just try reinstalling the .deb file. If that works, then replace the schema.pl and config.pl files.
I'll report back...
Sorry it took longer than I expected.
Now...since we have no menu to work with, and since we are going to need access to the browser, file manager, and the terminal...we have a couple of options.
1. If they are still on your panel, no problem.
2. If they are no longer on your panel, we can use keyboard shortcuts to access them.
Here are the keyboard shortcuts for each one that came stock in MiyoLinux. If you have changed them, use your own.
The "W" is the Windows key...
Browser = W + b
File Manager = W + f
Terminal = Ctrl + Alt + t
As a last resort, if you can at least open your file manager, you can go to Applications (in the side bar) and open the browser and terminal.
We need to reinstall obmenu-generator, but there's a few things we need to do first...
STEP 1: Open your browser, and go to the following website to download the obmenu-generator.deb file
https://software.opensuse.org/download. … -generator
When the page opens,
a) Click the Debian icon
b) At the bottom of the page, click "Grab binary packages directly"
c) At the bottom of the page, click obmenu-generator_0.66-1_all.deb
That will download the .deb package.
STEP 2: THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STEP!
a) Open your file manager, and make it show hidden files.
b) Open another window (or tab) of your file manager.
c) In one window/tab, navigate to /.config/obmenu-generator
When you've opened that folder, copy and paste (or move) both of the following files into the folder of your choice in the other window/tab...we will need them in a minute! The files are...
1. config.pl
2. schema.pl
STEP 3: With the file manager(s) still open (with hidden files showing)
a) Navigate to the downloaded obmenu-generator.deb file (from STEP 1).
b) Right-click on it, and open with Gdebi Package Installer.
c) Click the REINSTALL option.
You may see the screen blink when obmenu-generator takes effect. At this point, you have a working menu again! HOWEVER...it's a basic menu, and we want our old menu back again!!!
STEP 4: ...still in the file manager(s)
a) In one window/tab, navigate to where you saved the config.pl and schema.pl files.
b) In the other window/tab, navigate to /.config/obmenu-generator
c) Copy and paste (or move) the saved files back into the obmenu-generator folder.
(You will see that there's already a schema.pl file...just overwrite it)
STEP 5: Open the terminal, and enter the following command (no need for su or sudo here)...
obmenu-generator -p -i
(That will give you back your old menu...with icons)
...and now you're back in town...I mean...business!
I can think of two reasons for showing the old kernel - either you didn't install the newer kernel or you haven't rebooted yet. The kernel doesn't get automatically upgraded to a newer version unless you have the kernel metapackage installed. (something like linux-image-amd64)
Thanks for taking the plunge. I've been wanting to try an upgrade to ascii on miyo or vuudo for awhile but haven't gotten around to it.
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Thanks fsr.
Both the new kernel and that package were already installed. I went into Synaptic, marked the old kernel for removal, marked the new kernel for reinstallation, applied it, and that worked.
Okay folks...I think I finally figured this out.
If anyone is using MiyoLinux, and you've upgraded to Ascii...you may have discovered that the menu no longer works. Grrrr...
First...I want to stress that upgrading to Ascii shouldn't be done unless you're absolutely sure you want to do it. Expect some problems...like the awesome-incredible-super-duper menu no longer working.
Second. After struggling with this for several days, it appears that the fix is rather simple.
With that said, I'm posting this to say that I've found an easy fix. HOWEVER...I want to test it again before I post it. So, it may be roughly another 24 hours before I do so...
So why did I post this? I posted it just to give users some hope.
Stand by...be patient...and don't be doin' no hatin' on me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rD-0tlGGPo
EDITED TO ADD: The latest (and best) fix is in this post --> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=6683#p6683
ah dont worry .. its a old game.. predecesor of that you are playing... its nintendo64 fro 90's / 2000's i'm taking about emulators on older machines.. each day passed and each upgrade made, runs more slower and linux ask for more resources.. its a pain... like MS does ...
i quite busy now with some gambas projects, but at night each day i search and made some things in the devuan.. due the current Debian politics i must use it ...
i'll change the review at sourceforge later ok.. and titled miyoliunx as basefor modifications...
I appreciate your willingness to change the review, but I don't want you to. Let it stay as is.
All that I would like is for people to hopefully understand what a particular spin/derivative/distro is geared toward. Once that is determined, then one can hopefully ascertain if a particular spin/derivative/distro will suit what they are looking for.
If I failed to describe the purpose of MiyoLinux in a clear manner, then I apologize.
Take care.
Hey before I forget, Trizen pushed an update to the main obmenu-generator perl script a couple days ago, says "minor tweaks" but there's a fair bit of extra code, it works but have not tested it thoroughly yet.
Speaking of obmenu-generator...have you tried upgrading from Jessie to Ascii with your builds? If so, have you figured out why obmenu-generator kicks the bucket on Ascii? I'm in the process of trying to figure it out as time permits.
What's strange is...before I switched to Devuan, I built several Openbox systems on Debian Stretch (while it was still Testing), and obmenu-generator always worked on those. I'm thinking some depends must be missing from the upgrade in Devuan from Jessie to Ascii? Not sure yet though. I didn't even notice this until I tried an upgrade in Devuan about a week ago.
well its a base system, usefully to start to work on a derivate, but still hangs when used the mupen64plus.. in older machines, so then its the same as devuan that also hang and any other recent linux in older machine (and next kernel now removed support for olde cpou urrggg well nothing its forever)
To be honest, I had never heard of mupen64plus until today. It sounds interesting.
I'm a MarioKart8 player myself, but I use the WiiU. Not sure how it works (or if it works) with mupen64plus, but if you're ever racing someone from the US with the name MiyoLinux...that's me.
MiyoLinux wrote:1. Obmenu-generator (though all of its dependencies came from Devuan)
Hey before I forget, Trizen pushed an update to the main obmenu-generator perl script a couple days ago, says "minor tweaks" but there's a fair bit of extra code, it works but have not tested it thoroughly yet.
Thank you sir. I'll check in and around on it.
so as you said, theres no more differences rather than a Devuan with just openbox ... one package modified and a very dark theme (now passed away in fashion) .. so my review seem very exact.. confirmed by you..
so what can i post in a wiki that are different from devuan if there's no material or source repository to track?
I don't know what to tell you mckaygerhard.
I guess you can tell people through your wiki that with Devuan, you can make it your own.
where its the code, where its the process to make the miyolinux? what pacakges (apart of the very altered openbox ) are modified and where are the files? in sf there's no repo and i note the recently added wiki, i suggest gitlab or the git.deviuan.org
i suppost that git.devan.org must be the best place to those derivate work.. but are a little desert in that sense
i send a more private mail to coordinate
The wiki has been there since the beginning.
I did make a "How to make MiyoLinux" guide at one time.
What packages are modified? The only modified packages that I can think of off the top of my head are changing the Exec= command in a few of the applications so that they open from the menu.
The only packages that aren't Devuan are...
1. Obmenu-generator (though all of its dependencies came from Devuan)
2. The update-notifier
Other than those two items, the only non-Devuan supplied items in MiyoLinux are some of the themes and icons.
Unfortunately, I have no desire to have a gitlab account.
i think so then that miyolinux must work directly in devuan and not divert the work.. its more productive as Debian does with derivatives projects
I'm sorry mckaygerhard, but I don't understand? Are you saying that projects like these divert people away from pure Devuan? If so, Devuan doesn't think so; in fact, Devuan WANTS people to build distros based on their work.
From the Devuan website's main page...
Distributions based on Devuan
Various operating system distributions have already started adopting Devuan as a base OS. Here below a list in order of chronological appearance. When reviewing Devuan we do recommend taking derivatives in consideration: they harness the power of our base distribution targeting it at specific usage and this is exactly what we mean to achieve with Devuan. The default desktop provided by classic installer-iso images shouldn’t be considered the way we mean to use Devuan on the desktop.
If I've misunderstood what you were trying to say, I apologize.
can you detail what are incorporated from the oteher derivated work into the miyolinux? as i can see any docs about it
with that i can take and change my review!
Though this was a response to what greenjeans wrote, I will answer it. The only thing incorporated into MiyoLinux from another Devuan-based project was the Refracta Tools. The only documents that you will find regarding MiyoLinux are what's on the Sourceforge site. When I made MiyoLinux, I never expected it to be discovered. I thought that if 50 people eventually found it and used it, that would be amazing to me. It went way beyond that.
Friend, I wasn't offended by your review, nor do I wish you would change it. I know MiyoLinux wasn't/isn't perfect, but it suits the purpose that I envisioned for it. If it doesn't suit your purpose (or other's), that's very understandable, and I'm sorry that it doesn't.
I only responded to your post for two reasons...
1. Because I thought you possibly misunderstood the purpose of MiyoLinux.
2. The other projects. You seemed unreasonably critical for no reason, and I felt bad for them and all of the hard work and hours and hours and hours that they put into their projects.
I'm still using MiyoLinux and haven't had a problem. Not because it's MiyoLinux, but because it's Devuan.
Again, I don't want you to change your review of MiyoLinux. I have always appreciated any input, and I appreciate yours. Have a good day/evening/night wherever you may be friend.
Analising all the derivates Devuan based:
Winner: Dowse - http://dowse.eu/]http://dowse.eu/]http://dowse.eu/ ARM an rasberry focused, very featured linux, but not so light does not work well in older arm rasberry fist devices.. great project! but quite slower with older devices, specialized for those that need a rasberry and does not like debian with systemd
Second place: Exe GNU/Linux - http://exegnulinux.net featured! comes with something that other does not offer, trinity desktop, light but also some eye-candy, but as always slower with PIII and P4 laptops...
3rd: Refracta - http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta : featured the refracta software, nothing more that we cannot do in the current devuan
4th: dyne:bolic oh soon now a linux with dark theme with a ugly desktop, wel but YES FEATURED A LOT OF MULTIMEDIA SOFTWARE, well done at leastthe rest:
Gnuinos - http://gnuinos.org : nothing special.. doe snot work well in some x86 older so why making light
MIYO - https://sourceforge.net/projects/miyolinux/ this can be analied due its a base system minimized.. mostly for those that wants to modify, not enought to start doint something only base tools.. does not featured nothing
Nelum-dev1 - https://sourceforge.net/projects/nelum-dev1 : very heavy, only devuan with some desktop pre-installed with custom theme, does not featured nothing that we cannot do in devuan install with 30 minuts..
Star - https://sourceforge.net/projects/linnix : ??? nothing more than a devuan with "light" desktop (mostly windown managers not more), bt 32bit does work slower in asus eepc and hp P4 based cpu
EterTICs - https://gnuetertics.org
heads - https://heads.dyne.org/about.html : when user download all the preinstalled software are outdated (kakaka, nonsense)
good-life-linux - https://sourceforge.net/projects/good-life-linux/ only a Devuan with LXDE preinstaled with a custom dark (ohh anews) theme
Crowz - https://sourceforge.net/projects/crowz/: only a devuan linux with openbox or jwm with another "dark" again theme
Vuu-do - https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do/ ?? uff i'm tyred...
I think you're missing the end-purpose of these spins/derivatives/distros. I can only speak for myself (yes, I saw your review on SourceForge, and I'm sorry that Miyo didn't perform as you wished), so let me briefly explain the reasoning behind MiyoLinux. As the description on SourceForge says, "MiyoLinux is a minimal and base system"; therefore, one should know that it doesn't "provide" much out of the box...and that's its sole purpose. The goal was to feature Devuan...not MiyoLinux...to give users a base system to build upon.
While many experienced users can certainly create their own Openbox DE from a Devuan netinstall, there are many users who are still learning. Spins like MiyoLinux (and others) allow these users to learn, explore, and grow in their knowledge...and as FOSSuser said, there are also experienced users who want to be able to quickly install a base system. Spins like these can be installed in just a matter of a few minutes...thanks to fsmithred's work on the Refracta tools.
I had a few "tools" that I could have included in MiyoLinux, but I chose not to for two reasons...
1. The goal was to bring more attention to Devuan...not MiyoLinux.
2. This is my own philosophy, so please take it as such. While "tools" are neat to use and see, they aren't really used that often. Plus, they negate a person learning and delving into figuring out how to do things.
In my attempt to shine the spotlight on Devuan, I also chose to use only the Devuan repositories...again...the spotlight was Devuan...not MiyoLinux.
While these spins/derivatives/distros may not provide everything for everybody, they serve a purpose...it just may be that they don't serve the purpose that a user needs...and that's okay. There are other users who are served by their purpose(s). If a distro doesn't suit a user's purpose, there are others that will.
Plus, I think it says a lot that Devuan lists them on their website.
It was all about Devuan in my case friend...not MiyoLinux.
Here's one I haven't seen mentioned before...
Alien-OS https://sourceforge.net/projects/alien-os-mnml/
Alien-OS MNML (MiNiMaL) is a lean Devuan based Linux distribution with Openbox.
ATTENTION:
German keyboard layout is used. :-)
Features:
Minimal
Devuan and Openbox
64Bit
Small File Size
Refracta Tools
Base for your own distribution
Just for fun, I thought I'd try installing KDE Plasma...many thanks to those on IRC for their information.
It works, but it's not ready for daily usage yet.
What I did...(using Ethernet)
1. Installed only the base system from a Devuan Jessie netinstall.
2. Changed the sources to Ascii...then updated and upgraded.
3. apt-get install sddm
4. apt-get install kde-plasma-desktop (EDIT!: if you don't want Konqueror, just install --> plasma-desktop)
5. Reboot
This gave a very minimal Plasma desktop (non of those myriad of KDE applications). It was done on a very old machine with only one processor and 3 Gbs of memory.
At boot, CPU was 2-4%, and memory usage was only 180 Mbs! (32bit install on an old 64bit computer).
It's usable, but it's far from ready for everyday use. Several things don't work, and I believe that's due to systemd dependencies. I checked the system for systemd, and it appeared to be the same list as a regular Devuan installation.
Still, it was a fun experiment and quite surprising to see Plasma use so little resources.
While it's usable, I didn't post this to get others to try it. Don't do this and expect full functionality. I just wanted to share a fun Devuan experience that I had.
Seems like we are in a war against internet advertisers, they are trying to make us watch stuff we don't want, & we are trying to have our browsers ignore & block them.
I used to use Adblock Plus, & it worked - but now, advertisers have found ways around it - so now I am using Adblock Ultimate - the war goes on.
I, too, have lately been looking for a replacement browser.
Have you tried uBlock Origin? It does a fantastic job.
I heard that Microsoft Edge is a great browser!
MiyoLinux wrote:One of my favorite alternative browsers is Slimjet. Built off Chromium, but it uses less RAM than Chromium and Firefox. One downside is that it has to be reinstalled when new versions are released. It's easily done with .deb packages though.
Hmmm. . . Never heard of that one . . .
Probably been over a year since I tried Vivaldi. I liked it, but there were hardly any plugins available for it at the time. Perhaps I should revisit it?
One of my favorite alternative browsers is Slimjet. Built off Chromium, but it uses less RAM than Chromium and Firefox. One downside is that it has to be reinstalled when new versions are released. It's easily done with .deb packages though.
Ooo! Do these affect Synaptic too? (I read somewhere it needs GTK 2 theme files or something).
They're not GTK themes that affect the overall appearance; they're only window titlebar themes made to match the Adwaita and Adwaita Dark GTK themes.
For anyone who may be interested, I've made window themes for Xfce and Openbox. Both are based on Adwaita and Adwaita Dark.
For Xfce users - https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1176272/
By the way, Version 2 has icons for Shade and Stick...the original version didn't. Both versions are still there though.
For LXDE or Openbox users - https://www.box-look.org/p/1179478/
Also gave Devuan a little advertisement in the screenshots for the Openbox versions...
With the release of Jessie Stable 1.0.0, Devuan is making a show on the Distrowatch rankings! I know these rankings are subjective, but it's still nice to see.
Overall ranking as of today...#53
Ranking for the last seven days...#10
Somewhat Reticent wrote:If the base distro is only up to RC2, how have these spins been derived? Conversion from DebIan? Are there (DIY?) scripts/checklists for that?
…You can make a derivative from a release even before RC2. You install it, add whatever you like, configure it, and if you think it would be useful for others, make a live installable iso and upload it. There are few such distros uploaded to sourceforge even around May 2016. They are still good, for all you have to do is update and upgrade, and they'd become up to date. One good thing with Devuan is that such upgrade doesn't break your install. There are even Ascii (Testing) ones available.
People make "derivatives," because they like (love) Devuan.
Indeed!
Just today, I did a fresh and full install of MiyoLinux onto a USB to use as a portable OS. MiyoLinux was released last year while Devuan was still in Beta. It updated flawlessly with just an update and upgrade, but I had to do a dist-upgrade to get the latest desktop-base installed.
As a side-note, that's one of the great benefits of fsmithred's Refracta Installer...it makes it very easy to install the OS onto a USB for use as a portable system.
YEA!!! Congratulations and thank you!!!
(It gets lost in all the brightness here)
The glow thing looks very blobish. It obfuscates the swoosh.
Ah...now I understand...sorry, I'm a bit slow these days.
MiyoLinux wrote:DOH! I "almost" put a light circle around the icon. Maybe I should do that when I have time. Thank you golinux.
I think golinux is referring to the original icon, not the customized one. This is how your icon looks on my dark panel.
Ah...yes, I see that now. Thank you.