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#1001 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-30 20:45:17

MiyoLinux wrote:

All machines aren't created equal...apparently. The "override" setting works perfectly on my old HP dx5150...doesn't work worth a flip on my Toshiba laptop. tongue

That's what i'm finding out, it's not only different desktop environments that require some different settings in conky, the hardware itself can flip the whole script so to speak.

Once it's tweaked though it works great.

#1002 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-30 20:41:01

fungus wrote:

I remember you (miyo) advising some of us to turn recommended pkgs off as dependencies, so I'd hate to return the advise.  But is it possible synaptic is including something that makes it work better?  I am lost recently in where does synaptic draw its dependency structure and how does it differ from apt and apt-get.  Also I have read that between jessie and stretch there was a decisive move to make apt a primary tool and apt-get is to be cautiously used by educated users on their differences.  I am not sure where there is documentation that describes in which way does devuan differ from debian in this respect, if it is different.

Synaptic has always done a great job for me, and I use it primarily because it's what I expect the end-user will use, non-computer savvy folks like their gui's and so do I really.

On packages from outside the repo, I always use dpkg, I literally never use apt and have always run that way.

#1003 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-30 20:35:47

Somewhat Reticent wrote:
greenjeans wrote:

From the releases notes which are also posted as the readme file on SF:

Thanks! Sorry (TL;DR) I missed that - i3lock-color and i3lock-fancy look nice at UnixPorn and DeviantArt - maybe if the screen didn't stay dark when returned from suspend, and show a lock? Just a thought. How can I configure it? (what about a switch-user option?)

As simple as it is, it does have some configuration available, the command currently used to lock is " i3lock -c 000000",  this tells i3lock to lock the screen and fill it with a solid color while locking is activated, it uses regular color hex code for that, '000000' is obviously black but you can use any color. You can also use a picture for the background instead, change that command to " i3lock -i /path/to/your/image.png" .

The man page for i3lock gives all the options, there's quite a few.

I thought quite a bit about the screenlocker before I settled on i3lock, tried most ways to do it, but the more I used it the more I got hooked on the simplicity and the speed, and no service or daemon or applet running to use it.

But I also kinda figured some folks wouldn't read the instructions and would flip out the first time they tried to use it, lol, so thus my hesitation and seems it was well-founded, but try it for a while, I promise it'll grow on you, it's a very openboxish way to do things IMO.

#1004 Re: Other Issues » Samba/filesharing problems » 2017-08-29 22:05:56

fsmithred wrote:

If you just want to access the server from the local network, nfs will work. You can either add the nfs shares to the fstabs of the clients, or you could install autofs and set it up so the shares get mounted automatically when someone tries to access those files. There's also sshfs, which is more secure...   (edited to remove wrong info.)

Look for a howto on setting up nfs on debian. Same for autofs if you want that.

Seconding this, nfs has worked great for me in the past. Easy to learn too even for a guy like me that's not really into the networking end of things.

#1005 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-29 22:00:59

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

return from suspend to blank screen - some keystroke got a small green circle, which developed an orange part at top, then blanked back out
told power manager to shut off on power button - didn't

From the releases notes which are also posted as the readme file on SF:

Screen-locking is enabled and shortcut is noted in conky display (Alt + l) in addition to main menu. This is only a locker, not a screensaver, the program is i3lock and it just blanks/locks your screen.

To unlock simply type your password and hit enter, i3lock doesn't give you a pretty unlock-gui like mate-screensaver or xscreensaver, you just get a simple green circle once you start typing and then after you finish and hit enter it unlocks immediately. So there is no daemon running sucking up power and ram, and the i3lock program and dependencies only add up to half a MB, so it's lightweight and very quick.

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

And synaptic is blinding.

I checked after you asked, on the Mate build partition but forgot to check the Openbox one, the mate one didn't seem bad and seems to follow the theme fine, i'll check on the one in Openbox tonight and if it's too loud i'll definitely see about turning it down some, that is one of the goals of Vuu-do for sure, to be easy on the eyes, thanks for bringing that to my attention. ;-)

Don't know what to say about your wicd issue, works flawlessly here so I don't have any reference point to start troubleshooting anything.

Alsa has also worked really well, and did so from the get-go without any configuring on my part, I left it just like it originally came in Miyolinux and it's worked wonderfully in every install, I was so stoked to try something that didn't include Pulseaudio and worked right that I never stopped to check any configs.  VLC fires right up with good sound on my machine as does Exaile, and FYI all Vuu-do's (maximal) will play DVD's out of the box.;-D I'll check it out though and try to make it better.

But again that makes it hard for me to see what's going on with your machine, part of my problem is that both of my laptops are HP/Compaq and so are the last half dozen or so I have converted to Linux in the last few months for some reason, an endless stream of cheap AMD APU's, I could really use some different hardware for testing at least, i'll check with my local pawn guy to see what he has, other than HP what would y'all say was the most common laptop? Dell? Toshiba?

#1006 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-28 21:23:51

fungus wrote:

PS  greenjeans:  Can lizzards float or swim, because there use to be everywhere on Houston truck stops smile

Well if they're in Houston right now they're swimming, lol, I have friends down there and you should see the pictures, crazy.....

Here's the conkyrc I use on all the openbox versions for reference, the mate version is identical except I had to change own_window_type to "override" because the file manager in Mate draws the desktop and I run Openbox without one, just wallpaper:

alignment top_left
background no
#border_margin 5
border_width 5
default_color 999999 
double_buffer yes
draw_borders no
draw_outline no
draw_shades no
gap_x 10
gap_y 10
maximum_width 1000
minimum_size 300
no_buffers yes
override_utf8_locale yes
own_window yes
own_window_title conky
own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
own_window_transparent yes
own_window_type normal ## normal /override /desktop
text_buffer_size 8000
total_run_times 0
update_interval 1
uppercase no
use_xft yes
xftalpha 1
xftfont Freesans:pixelsize=9

#				fonts

TEXT
${voffset -5}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=30}${time %A %B %d, %Y %l:%M %P}${font}

${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=16}RAM: ${mem /} / ${memmax /}          HD: ${fs_free /} / ${fs_size /}
${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=12}${alignc}
-----------------------------------------------------------
alt + f = file manager
alt + a = application launcher
alt + t = terminal
alt + l = lock screen
alt + s = suspend 
alt + h = hibernate
alt + r = reboot
alt + p = power-off/shutdown
alt + c = conky on/off switch
prt sc  = take screenshot 
-----------------------------------------------------------

${if_running exaile}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=16}now playing :  ${execi 10 exaile --get-title}  –  ${execi 10 exaile --get-artist}$endif

#1007 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Wicd/system-wide permissions? » 2017-08-28 21:08:20

Probably the first thing would be to check Synaptic's history and post a list of what all upgrades were done the day you started having trouble, there may be more than one issue.

I seem to remember having a similar issue with Firefox months ago, it would stop and give me that message that the keyring wasn't unlocked and ask for a password etc. Can't remember what the fix was though.

#1008 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-28 20:55:36

MiyoLinux wrote:
greenjeans wrote:

Currently on second day of trying to upload new maximal, got two 45 minute fails yesterday, one local and one from the SF server, so fingers crossed I may have a new version up in an hour or so.

How do you upload greenjeans? Rsync or SourceForge's uploader? I never could get an .iso uploaded with their uploader, but rsync never has failed me.

Just the http uploader, haven't tried rsync or ftp, it usually works on the second try if not first, but about half the time it runs through the whole thing almost and then gives that server exit 0 message.

#1009 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-28 20:52:34

fungus wrote:

Remember how the generator menus don't work when on top of the conky surface?
They work now, as conky is not a window anymore!! 

smile

Strange, I use " own_window yes" on all my openbox systems, never had that problem with conky, I can click anywhere on the desktop in fact that doesn't offer it's own right-click option and i'll get the menu. Mate required a different window_type setting though.

#1010 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-28 20:49:30

Somewhat Reticent wrote:
greenjeans wrote:

whew, finally! New maximal done uploading …

Did you test by downloading afterward? I tried several times, but couldn't get the complete ~614MB - kept stopping at ~599MB. hmm

Shoot, I sure haven't, didn't have time that day or since, i'll give it a shot asap.

EDIT: Tried just now, got the whole thing, extra fast too, 614 in like 4 minutes which is outstanding for where i'm at out here at the end of civilization.

#1011 Re: Other Issues » Libreoffice update in ASCII » 2017-08-25 22:49:55

golinux wrote:
apprentice wrote:

self explanitory no?
click link, see option for abiword

LOL!  My old eyes didn't even see that link.  I always bold my links just for that reason.  Hmm . . . maybe I should do that in the css . . .

dang, sorry, but I LOL'ed heavily at that just now. ;-)

I can relate, but with me it's the hearing that's really gone bad.

Had to pull into the gas station last week to put some air into a tire with a slow leak, but the air hose didn't have the chuck (fitting) that goes on your tire stem, it was just the quick-release end.

So I went inside and said I needed to use the air-hose to air up a tire, so the girl at the counter says apparently "You need a chuck?"

I thought she said something COMPLETELY different.

Gettin' old...it ain't for the faint of heart I tell ya.....;-)

#1012 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Update concerning the 2017 Release of Miyo-XTRA » 2017-08-25 22:40:36

MiyoLinux wrote:

Kernel 4.9 is available via the Backports repository.

Negative unfortunately, I can't get it to install anymore, it's asking for a newer version of linux-base which is not available in backports or jessie main.

#1013 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » A Better Reduce for Devuan? » 2017-08-25 22:37:46

Dang, kinda sounds like the hardest way possible to do what you are trying to do and the most difficult way to build Devuan, have you thought about just making yourself a nice little basic install iso with Refractasnapshot?

alluredbit wrote:

What I could use is examples to build and configure the virtual boxes. I am hoping someone already put some work into a vagrant base box, or has preseed cfg files on the web I can use.
Eventually I am going to work my way through this page https://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller, but again that is for Debian. When things break I need to test both Debian and Devuan to be able to tell if the error is in my cfg file or it is due to deviation between the two OS. Eventually most of the errors are going to be deviations, but as of right now my preceed files are pretty basic and full of errors.

With preseed I actually need to finish the installation and boot to the box to tell if the script worked. In some cases the install is going to finish, without any errors. I think preseed breaks only over critical errors - no network, bad mirror address and such, otherwise it grabs some default values where the ones in preseed are invalid or missing. Not something anyone would want, obviously. so I wish preceed would stop the installation when there is any issue.

The most time-consuming is to make DHCP / DNS work, and that is where, I assume, a vagrant base could be of some help. Not perfect for my use though, Vagrant requires the first network card to be NAT - which is not what I want. I want internal network so all virtual interfaces are exposed via kernel routing and IP masquerading. Again, I currently have this on Debian. It is the most time consuming, because when there is any error in the stack of parameters the new install is going to boot to a random hostname with a random IP - and that is not what I want. I want the hostname and the IP that is assigned to the MAC, every time the box is rebuilt.

Manual configuration is not helping me since the purpose of my project is to automate the most. I have a plan but I have little time to play as this is not what I do for living. I really like Bitnami and my idea is about the same, except the Bitnami 'product' is still heavy binaries. I much prefer typing a few commands, and the box is automatically built and configured. mostly from cache on my network. On a box with i5 and RAID 10 I should be able to build 5 base Devuan clients concurrently, with LAMP and Joomla! installed in less than 5 minutes.

This is all talk at this point, I have a lot of work to do until I have something to show.

#1014 Re: DIY » dual-kernel Devuan » 2017-08-25 22:34:04

Bummer, gonna have to put this on the backburner again before I even get started, lol.

4.9 kernel from backports will no longer install for me, it's asking for linux-base>=4.3, and the only thing available in jessie (including backports) is version 3.5.

#1016 DIY » dual-kernel Devuan » 2017-08-25 21:51:11

greenjeans
Replies: 11

So I have been mulling this over and there's an actual case now of a user that could use such, so Fsmithred suggested I start a thread on it so we wouldn't clutter up that thread, so this is it. I am mostly here to pick FSR's brain, lol!

I know that trying to roll a 4.9 kernel snapshot requires some newer packages, but I am wondering if I can add the 4.9 kernel from backports to a jessie system, but retain the 3.16 kernel and run snapshot during the 3.16 session, and then (with some grub-live editing) be able to offer either kernel as a choice to boot the live session?

The user in question that has an issue, needs a newer piece of firmware for wi-fi, Intel 3965 I think it was which only works with 4.11 kernel and up, wondering if those couple of tiny chunks of firmware would work if you manually installed them in the firmware directory and booted the 4.9 kernel?

#1017 Re: Installation » Manual partitioning: boot partition, dual boot » 2017-08-25 20:19:23

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

(Is W'10 better-behaved? More testing needed?)

Oh hell no. Not long ago MS pushed an update that not only wiped out everybody's linux installs, it went so far as to actually delete the extra partitions.

You can't NOT know that's gonna happen, Microshit did it on purpose just purely out of spite.

#1018 Re: Installation » Manual partitioning: boot partition, dual boot » 2017-08-25 20:16:29

alluredbit wrote:

If you share the hardware, and have the UEFI I would consider booting into Devuan from a USB stick, and leave the MBR for Windows.

You may have a perfectly fine system running on detached external storage, in case you want to leave the internal hardware entirely for Windows. Create the / on the fastest storage you have, like a USB3, put the /boot on a USB2 stick and /home on something you can carry around. Your most important stuff is probably going into your /home anyways - unlike on Windows where you have them all over the place.

The swap partition is also optional, you may create swap file(s) later or use no swap. Linux is not using swap the same way Windows does. Linux is going to lock up as soon as you are just about to run out of RAM, in place of grinding at your swap endlessly. Just restart it an try not to load it up so much. Automated installs always create a swap partitions but you can use expert install and not create any other partitions besides /, /boot and /home.

On a single-user Linux system you have less disk activity vs. Windows so it is better suited for non-optimal configurations, and it is more flexible regarding file systems and partitions. Of course it is not going to perform optimal, but it is going to work. On busy systems it is recommended to keep /var separate from /, but again, on a single-user system no part of the system is really busy.

Great post!

I agree this is a great option, have played around with USB3 and it is gratifyingly fast to load a liveusb session, load it all into ram and watch your machine fly.

#1019 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » A Better Reduce for Devuan? » 2017-08-25 20:11:16

Well proud to say that I have already eliminated a whole lotta stuff on that Debian list from the link in the first post from my stuff, but there's a few things on there I guarantee will break some installs.

I have a LAMP server iso somewhere in my files that a guy custom built from Puppy linux packages way back in the day, like a 40 mb iso and it's actually still running a small home server at a friend's house. That's as small as i've seen a system that would run a server.

How small are you shooting for with your Devuan project?

#1020 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-25 19:56:47

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

Ah.

Thanks again. You've been patient & thorough.

*edited to clarify formatting*

Well probably not thorough enough and not appreciative as I should be either, it was hectic yesterday and wanted to kick out replies to questions while I had time, but just wanted you to know that I really appreciate you trying Vuu-do and testing/posting, it's easy for me to get into my own little vacuum if I don't have feedback.

@Fungus: you too, big time thanks for your continued testing and suggestions and reviews and artwork, folks like you really make it all worthwhile. :-D

#1021 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-25 19:50:54

MiyoLinux wrote:

I haven't explored the latest Vuu-do yet, but...

1. If gksu is installed

...and...

2. If lxappearance is installed

Open the Run command (or terminal) and enter

gksu lxappearance

You can then set the theme and icons used in the root account.

They both are on all openbox versions, the root account has the identical setup to the user account in all respects, theme is Miyo Dark, my favorite OB theme. ;-)

Currently on second day of trying to upload new maximal, got two 45 minute fails yesterday, one local and one from the SF server, so fingers crossed I may have a new version up in an hour or so.

#1022 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Ethernet and WiFi cards not recognized » 2017-08-24 22:05:43

HextorBRX wrote:

Hello I don't have Internet at home for now because I changed my ISP. I should have an operational network connection within two weeks. MiyoLinux told me about vuu-do, I shall give it a try. And yes, a dual-kernel version is a great idea: it would be the only devuan-based distribution for recent computers. Let me know if you decide to do this.

Edit: I chose the default/first option to boot MiyoLinux, no tweaking necessary.

Nice, i'll give it a shot then and post when/if I have a working one. ;-)

#1023 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-24 22:03:04

fungus wrote:

One thing I wanted to ask the creator was about the i386 arch being included.  How do we turn it off and what was the logic of including it?  I am wondering since the problem I had on login was on a miyo install, if by any chance something relating to X came from 32b and is causing the problem.

If you are asking me i'm confused, as far as I know I don't have an extra arch installed on any iso's, were you asking Miyolinux?

fungus wrote:

The other is lxpolkit, why shouldn't be there and autostart?  Even though you install a default sudo for the user pretty much nothing on the menu that would require sudo will not start.  You install and run lxtask and everything works (mounting volumes from pcmanfm, synaptic, etc).  There may be a reason that escapes me, that is why I am asking.

Little confused again, I do have polkit1 installed and everything works using su. I do not run sudo so generally don't test it and really don't want to, lol, but if it's broke i'll try to fix it, are you saying that if you check the sudo boxes on install and give the user privileges that it's not working?

#1024 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-24 21:58:30

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

Nice! Will grab ASAP and try out.
Just wondering:
1.- will there be a way to eliminate the desktop "background" image, or make it one transparent pixel?
2- will wicd re-connect promptly (and will it shut off wifi)?
3- is there a "dark" (easy-on-the-eyes-on-night-shift) theme respected by Synaptic? Or sct and redshiftY? (Or both?)
4- if I add vlc, will it be able to find the default audio device?
5- coming back from suspend, the display won't remain blank, will it?
6- if I set the power-manager to shutdown on power-button-press...
(Sorry, my wish-list grows ever longer)
Off to SF…

1. yes, just turn off Nitrogen in the openbox autostart file and reboot
2. it does for me
3. to be honest I hadn't really paid attention to Synaptics color scheme, it probably doesn't match, lol, Synaptic is ate up with some gnome garbage, i'm just happy it works for now. The rest of the system is specifically and relentlessly hand-tuned to be easier on the eyes, thus the grays and blacks.
4. the maximal's include VLC and it finds the right audio device on every machine i've tested so far
5. mine doesn't
6. my computer and every one I own shuts down if you hold the power button down regardless of the operating system installed. The best way to shut down Vuu-do is use the keyboard shortcut: alt+p ( p stands for 'poweroff") It shuts down in literally less than 4 seconds even on my slow low-spec machine.

#1025 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-23 21:27:47

New version 1.0.2 Vuu-do's going up this week, Openbox-64-minimal already uploaded : https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … 4-minimal/

Openbox-64-maximal is pretty much done, just need to test a couple things.

Changes to all:

Refracta2usb is now included on all Vuu-do isos, if anyone can figure out how to work it please let me know. ;-)

Tons of small changes to configuration, getting everything standardized and dotting a whole lot of I's and crossing T's, more work done to Oxy2-ZEN icons, tint2, openbox etc. Doesn't sound like a lot, but it was hours of poring through the system and fixing stuff.

FYI : I also do all this to the root account on my iso's, if you like to run as root you will be pleasantly surprised to find the session identical in every respect to the regular user experience with the exception of conky, which I leave off autostart in the root account so I remember i'm running as root, lol.

Right-clicking on the clock in the panel will now change your timezone (by running gksu dpkg-reconfigure tzdata), left-clicking will still open calendar app. The clock tooltip has been changed to reflect the new options.

Dropped a couple small packages that weren't needed, and did a better job rooting out unneeded cache files.

All iso's updated to current, Devuan pushed another kernel update amongst many others, so that's what triggered these iso updates.

Openbox iso's include the new 0.99 version of obmenu-generator, and my own newest re-do of os-probes.

Changes applicable to maximal versions only:

Replaced Gsimplecal with Osmo, it's a much more full-featured calendar app, also for notes, tasks, and contacts lists. It's not in the menu, to activate you just left-click the panel clock like you normally would to activate calendar.

Plus some other stuff I likely forgot to mention.

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