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#876 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The Devuan Ethos » 2022-11-01 22:43:08

My first attempt to induce that problem was not successful, so perhaps you could enumerate the installation choices you are making that leads to that problem.

As from power-up: the installation splash screen comes up:
* is this a BIOS boot or UEFI boot?
* and then, what's your sequence of choices/actions?

#877 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The Devuan Ethos » 2022-11-01 22:32:31

So you have difficulty with the chimaera netinstall iso? Do you want assistance?

#878 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » How disable apparmor? » 2022-11-01 06:56:29

Hah! I'm clearly full of wrong! Not only that, but there is also the possible overrides of insserv that can be used an misused in all sorts of ways. smile

#879 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » How disable apparmor? » 2022-10-31 20:15:27

@Head_on_a_Stick, when you get your systemd pants on you really get fanboi tedious; taking any odd behaviour from the systemd bug collective and cast it as an advantage over something else with sysvinit. Now you seem to want to claim that overriding a service definition is the same as disabling a service?

Yes, sysvinit does not have overriding, and I can see how you might use that to override the service definition in a way that ends up not starting the daemon. Obviously this would compete with any prior overriding, but presumably overriding is actually quite unusual to use for any other purpose? (Otherwise I'd expect someone would have revised the rc script to include it)

I suppose a sysvinit way to achieve a similar override could be to add a premature exit into the startup script. Doing so would likely have the effect (advantage?) that the package installation system would query about that change upon upgrade, and you would then again automatically reconsider whether or not that "override" remains appropriate.

Clearly neither systemd nor sysvinit have a way to block package installation from installing into the boot sequence. I think this is more a result of the Debian principle to deploy services when installing them.

In any case, I'd agree that apt-get purge apparmor is best here, and that it also seems to need a security=none setting (or similar) on the boot command line to make the kernel bypass apparmor kernel code.

#880 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » How disable apparmor? » 2022-10-30 22:44:29

This is a disadvantage of sysvinit compared to systemd

What do you mean with that kind of fud?
The "thrid answer" you allude to is just tiny-brain wiffle-woffle with not much relevance, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Generally it's a stance in Debian that when you install a package that offers a service, then the installation includes deploying that service, so therefore apparmor is deployed when installed, and a user must un-deploy it; there is no difference depending on init systems here.

#881 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Lenovo ThinkPad X250 - Sierra Wireless EM7345 4G LTE » 2022-10-30 21:58:53

A minimalistic approach might be to review the ArchWiki page on ppp, install pppconfig and configure.

#882 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Missing chimaera-backports firmware packages » 2022-10-26 09:35:30

Not sure. You may need to find out when they went into bullseye-backports which would have been sometime later than what the source version code 20210818-1 suggests.

I wouldn't expect more than a week in lag since that's the period for amprolla's full merge.

#883 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Missing chimaera-backports firmware packages » 2022-10-26 08:37:03

Thanks for noticing. Since it is merging rather than mirroring, there is a short lag before debian packages appear in the devuan repositories.

#884 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-10-12 21:52:39

.. and you might want to fit in an unsort (from the unsort package) on the filename list to avoid the play order rigidity.

#885 Re: Installation » Install ZFS » 2022-10-10 20:41:03

If you installing without "recommends", you might also need the explicit

apt-get install zfs-modules

to trigger their building.

#886 Re: Other Issues » No Sound ALSA » 2022-10-08 23:17:23

@tux perhaps you could describe briefly what the various snd-hda-intel options do for you?

#887 Re: Installation » Installing from USB thumb drive » 2022-10-03 09:51:25

No, the installer-iso is still version devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_amd64_desktop.iso.

I think @Camtaf is talking about desktop-live, which is a different alternative that many people prefer.

#888 Re: Installation » Installing from USB thumb drive » 2022-10-03 01:18:27

Perhaps you can capture /var/log/syslog from the installer and show here.

For instance use ctrl-alt-f2 to enter a shell at vt2, then set up a receiver

nc -l -p 10000 > capture.log

on another machine, say 10.0.0.5, and copy over with

nc -w 2 10.0.0.5 10000 < /var/log/syslog

from the installer shell to the receiver on that other machine.

The ISO is a s.c hybrid ISO that presents itself both as a CDROM and as a disk image with 2 partitions where the first is a CDROM and the second is a FAT filesystem (for UEFI boot). The partition block ranges overlap of course, as the FAT filesystem is in fact an image file within the CDROM, but the bios is not clever enough to worry about that.

In any case, the log file should give some lead to why the installer cannot find the CDROM.

#889 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] full-upgrade: http://debian.bio.lmu.de » 2022-10-02 20:41:57

Let me drop two tidbits as a matter of background knowledge:

a) the domain name deb.devuan.org, which is the right one to use, resolves into a collection of alternative IP addresses (ipv4 and ipv6). During any apt operation, every server request will use some IP from that list, and then that server will be the one providing the response to that request.

b) the apt system has meta-information files that tells "where" (in networking sense) the packages are. For Devuan those URLs include some forked packages that are directly served from Devuan package pool mirrors, and a majority of packages that Devuan mirrors handle by means of redirect URLs, to be served by Debian's package pool mirrors.

Your reported case for example shows that chromium  is not forked but retrieved via such a redirect, and apparently that redirect pin-pointed http://debian.bio.lmu.de as redirection target. I.e., the Devuan mirror that was picked offered that redirect, and evidently there was some issue with access to 2001:4ca0:4300::1:22 (aka http://debian.bio.lmu.de)  at that time.

#890 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] boot error » 2022-10-02 20:11:39

Perhaps / is mounted read-only due to filesystem errors?

If so, you probably need to boot up with another root filesystem so as to fsck the root partition first.

Or you might try to remount / read-write.

Another option is to mount a tmpfs onto /tmp. Though that might not be enough as it won't allow log files or authority files to be written.

#892 Re: Installation » How many keyrings? » 2022-09-27 06:59:04

Well, "gnome-keyring" is a program, not a collection of keys.

#893 Re: News & Announcements » [SOLVED] invalid: EXPKEYSIG BB23C00C61FC752C Devuan Repository » 2022-09-20 10:17:46

As the key issue was fixed without needing ISO remake, the trial remakes were removed.

#894 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Invalid Signatures » 2022-09-09 10:19:29

No worries. I didn't think I took offense, but hmm maybe I did. But it is true that I do need to retire off Devuan and that new and more people need to step up and in; not necessarily you of course.

The installer ISOs are built using https://git.devuan.org/devuan/installer-iso.git which has been streamlined into an almost push-button state by now. But, whenever an ISO is built, it relies on the state of the repository at that particular time and it's always possible for some update inconsistency to slip in. It is therefore I think the installer ISOs typically need a broader testing than a single person running through it once.

#895 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Invalid Signatures » 2022-09-09 09:20:38

BTW I'm all for testing software before releasing.
But right now the installer images don't work at all, and the fix seems quite straightforward to me.

Great. Welcome on board!
I'm probably doing things wrong yes, and need to retire.
We can rely on you taking over this?

Just in parenthesis: all the installers do still work fine as long as you avoid network mirror backing during installation. It of course means that you'll end up with a rather minimal system, but it's still one where you can use the manual patching (wget + dpkg) before using the network mirroring/access the first time.

#896 Re: News & Announcements » [SOLVED] invalid: EXPKEYSIG BB23C00C61FC752C Devuan Repository » 2022-09-08 21:35:47

At https://ido.rrq.id.au/download there is an initial collection of trial installer ISOs that need to be tested in a range of settings.

Everyone here who doesn't devalue themselves with the label "just a Devuan user" should grab at least one of them and run it through a number of variations, and then report on it, maybe as an email to me. Refer to usecases.html for the primary use case division. VM trials as well as bare-metal trials are good.

EDIT: my alternate email is rrq at rrq dot id dot au

#897 Re: News & Announcements » [SOLVED] invalid: EXPKEYSIG BB23C00C61FC752C Devuan Repository » 2022-09-07 23:21:33

alexkemp wrote:

Ogis1975's is a reasonable question to ask.

I disagree: it's a totally useless question.

Obviously there has been some kind of process failure when everyone in the whole community, including you and Ogis1975 as well as myself, failed to notice that the repository key was about to expire.

You don't have to ask about that. Rather you should ask yourself: "how can I help in the future?" and then act towards that.

#899 Re: News & Announcements » [SOLVED] invalid: EXPKEYSIG BB23C00C61FC752C Devuan Repository » 2022-09-04 22:21:45

The first step would be to determine which, if any, installation use case(s) need attention.

#900 Re: News & Announcements » [SOLVED] invalid: EXPKEYSIG BB23C00C61FC752C Devuan Repository » 2022-09-04 12:53:33

DandyKenguru wrote:

Considering the situation are you going to soon release the updated ISO in which this problem will be fixed?

Yes, it would be an excellent contribution to the Devuan project to refresh any of the various installer ISOs for this.

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