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#826 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-17 20:02:37

If you go for an unencrypted install which is much easier for a beginner, no separate /boot is required.

Élisabeth wrote:

On Install Devuan it says:

It's important to choose the correct  [GRUB] bootloader location. It should not be installed to a partition but to the MBR area which is located on the hard disk.

What does that mean in my set-up?

Thats only valid for the legacy install, you can ignore that. There is no nice efi install howto (yet).

efi installs have a fixed setup. In the efi partition a bootloader is installed, the kernels and the residual parts and configs for grub are installed in /boot (which does not need to be in its own partition).

You will get asked as one of the last things if you want a (I don't know how this is in English, I only do German installs normally) USB something path, you may ignore that and say no.

rolfie

#827 Re: Installation » How to partition my disk ? » 2021-09-17 19:18:37

Stop, that not right. You need to go for an efi partitioning scheme. If you are getting asked, use GPT not msdos.

1.) 256M as "efi system partition", will be formatted as FAT32, bootable flag set, name is your choice (not required), will be mounted to /boot/efi later on. Will hold the efi starter.
2.) 1024M to 2048M for /boot (but only if you want to encrypt your root). ext4, name is your choice (not required)
3.) Unencrypted root: since you have a 500G disk/ssd I would spend 64G for /root. Gives you plenty of headroom for additional SW. ext4. name is your choice (not required).
4.) I would spend 16G for swap
5.) Rest for /home, ext4, name to your choice again.

If you want everything encrypted, thats a different beast.

rolfie

#828 Re: Installation » I don't find root and user with password initialilisation » 2021-09-17 13:07:22

No need for excuses. To fix that: you are allowed to edit your posts. In the bottom of the post your find 4 options, one is edit. This means you can delete the extra line.

To the installer: just did such an install of Chimaera into a VBox VM about a week ago, there it was no such issue. Looks like a bug in the latest installer?

rolfie

#829 Re: Installation » I don't find root and user with password initialilisation » 2021-09-17 10:15:10

What is Beowulf Gold? The step "Setup users and passwords" normally comes past setting up the network. In expert mode you just have to klick through that step. Maybe https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … all-devuan helps to show what to expect. Chimaera isn't that much different.

Make sure you got the official downloads from Devuan.

rolfie

#830 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] USB image - Access Denied error » 2021-09-14 20:08:22

Just found something in a German laptop forum about rufus and Secure Boot: rufus does not write a valid Secure Boot signature. That means in your case rufus isn't the right tool.

rolfie

Edith: well, I have successfully used rufus for a lot of bootable USB sticks in the past. Legacy mode or UEFI, it always worked fine, but without Secure Boot. I always did disable this "feature".

#831 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] USB image - Access Denied error » 2021-09-13 12:21:39

Have a look at https://www.devuan.org/os/install and drill down the links. Especially https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … all-devuan may be useful. Unfortunately it only shows the legacy grub installation, not the efi version.

rolfie

#832 Re: Installation » Could not install under UEFI with chimera netinstall » 2021-09-12 14:22:09

When I boot one of the latest Devuan isos in VBox, I get:

UEFI Interactive Shell v2.2
EDK II
UEFI v2.70 (EDKII, 0x00010000)
Mapping table
	 FS0: Alias(s):F0c:;BLK0:
	     PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0xF1,0x1)/Ata(0x0)
	BLK2: Alias(s):
	     PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0xF1,0x2)/Sata(0x0,0xFFFF,0x0)
	BLK1: Alias(s):
	     PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0xF1,0x1)/Ata(0x0)/HD(2,MBR,0x6B8B4567,0xFC8,0x5C0)
Press ESC in 1 seconds to skip startup.nsh or any other key to continue.
Shell>

I am used to switch to FS0: based on the experience that some of the VMs won't autostart. Then I typically drill down the EFI folder and find some *.efi file which can be booted. Here I get on ls:

Shell> FS0:
FS0:\> ls

10 Files: boot.cat, debian, devuan, g2ldr, g2ldr.mbr, md5sum.txt, README.html, README.txt, Release_notes_chimaera_4.0.0.txt, setup.exe
5 Dirs: boot, dists, docs, firmware, pool

I have drilled down every single directory and searched for a *.efi file, no success. Using BLK1: is the same.

When I try exit on the shell, I get a menu, but no useful option I could start with the Boot Manager.

Nevertheless, found something new: when I exit the menu with the Continue option, I get presented a different mapping table:

Mapping table
	 FS0: Alias(s):F0c:;BLK0:
	     PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0xF1,0x1)/Ata(0x0)
	 FS1: Alias(s):CD0c1:;BLK2:
	     PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0xF1,0x1)/Ata(0x0)/CDROM(0x1)
	BLK4: Alias(s):
	     PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0xF1,0x2)/Sata(0x0,0xFFFF,0x0)
	BLK3: Alias(s):
	     PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0xF1,0x1)/Ata(0x0)/HD(2,MBR,0x6B8B4567,0xFC8,0x5C0)
	BLK1: Alias(s):
	     PciRoot(0x0)/Pci(0xF1,0x1)/Ata(0x0)/CDROM(0x0)

Drilling down FS1: brings an efi directory and a bootable bootx64.efi file. BLK1: is the above mentioned file system (10 files 5 dirs).

Strange behaviour.

rolfie

#833 Re: Installation » Could not install under UEFI with chimera netinstall » 2021-09-12 12:32:17

@Ralph: thanks for taking up this side issue. Maybe we should ask Golinux to split out this as a separate thread.

Ok, lunchbreak is over now. I have looked at the original iso and my creation, here is the output:

# fdisk -l devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20210906_amd64_netinstall.iso
Disk devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20210906_amd64_netinstall.iso: 371 MiB, 389021696 bytes, 759808 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0x6b8b4567

Device                                                  Boot Start    End Sectors  Size Id Type
devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20210906_amd64_netinstall.iso1 *        0 759807  759808  371M  0 Empty
devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20210906_amd64_netinstall.iso2       4040   5511    1472  736K ef EFI (FAT-12/16/32)
# fdisk -l daedalus.iso
Disk daedalus.iso: 373,22 MiB, 391350272 bytes, 764356 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes

The VM based on the daedalus.iso is running Mate desktop on encrypted LVM with openrc with daedalus in the sources.list.

I can't answer what VBox does not see. Does it make sense to show the printouts I am getting?

rolfie

#834 Re: Installation » Could not install under UEFI with chimera netinstall » 2021-09-12 10:20:39

No. Me neither. What is the EFI partition in the Devuan isos?

#835 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] USB image - Access Denied error » 2021-09-12 10:19:26

Élisabeth wrote:

In the meantime I have found out that the BIOS Superuser password of the PC is set, which prevents me from disabling Secure Boot. (I bought the PC secondhand.)

Asking the seller isn't an option? At least give it a try.

rolfie

#836 Re: Installation » Could not install under UEFI with chimera netinstall » 2021-09-12 10:02:34

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

1) Why doesn't it boot? What does happen on the attempt?

I end up in the VBox efi shell and can't find any command that allows to boot the iso image. In the EFI directory copied from the Debian iso's there is a grubx64.efi re. a bootx64.efi. When that is added the iso starts automagically the installer.

rolfie

#837 Re: Installation » Could not install under UEFI with chimera netinstall » 2021-09-12 08:59:26

Tried to install the devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20210906_amd64_netinstall.iso in a Virtualbox VM in efi mode. Got two issues.

1.) The Devuan isos do not boot in VBox efi mode. My solution was: unpack the iso into a folder, add the EFI directory from a Debian iso, and create my own iso with Brasero. That boots directly.

2.) efivarsfs isn't mounted on the boots past installation. Added the following line to fstab, and now I have the efi variables available.

efivarfs /sys/firmware/efi/efivars efivarfs rw 0 0

I think both topics deserve a look at.

rolfie

#838 Re: Installation » Could not install under UEFI with chimera netinstall » 2021-09-10 19:08:53

I can confirm that you can install Chimaera in EFI mode. I have performed such an install from I think the alpha net install end of April on an Acer Aspire 5. You may find one or the other thread from me around that time.

Suggestions:
- If you can disable SecureBoot.
- Set the Bios to no CSM, efi driver first, whatever the Bios allows. If in doubt, ask here.
- Make sure you boot your install media in efi mode. When booting, you will usually find your devices twice. Make sure you boot the one that is marked as efi. If not the install runs in legacy mode.
- To verify that the installer is in efi mode, switch to a console as Ralph has suggested, and make sure you have a directory /sys/firmware/efi/efivars. If this isn't present, you are not installing in efi mode.
- grub is installed in efi mode without asking where to. Thats normal.
- After first boot you should have a folder /boot/efi/EFI/debian. In there you should see 5 or 6 files, one of them called grubx64.efi (non-secure boot), another called shimx64.efi (I hope the name is right, I never did a Secure Boot installation and usually delete all related stuff) for secure boot plus some others.
- Check with efibootmgr if you get an output or an error telling you that efi isn't supported?
- I had an issue with that after first boot the efivars were not loaded. I think mounted them, re-installed grub-efi-amd64 and then it worked. Don't know if this still is an issue. Refer to my older threads.

Good luck, rolfie

#840 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] USB image - Access Denied error » 2021-09-07 12:52:05

Élisabeth wrote:

How stable/unstable is Chimaera for everyday use?

I have switched my home network completely to Chimaera. 2 PCs, a file server, a laptop.

rolfie

#841 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] chimaera (beta) running with dwm & i3wm: discoveries » 2021-09-04 19:42:28

Virtualbox 6.1.26 now is available from Orcale directly as .deb. Can be installed via dpkg -i name.deb

rolfie

#842 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » pulseaudio » 2021-09-03 08:25:12

From https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf … _notes.txt:

Pulseaudio
 - If you install a desktop environment from the installer iso, you will
   automatically get the debian-pulseaudio-config-override package,
   which will ensure that pulseaudio is running. If you're running a
   window manager, you may need to install the override package to get
   sound. Alternatively, you may use the old method, described below.
   
 - If you have no sound, make sure the following line in
   /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf is commented as
   shown here:

   #autospawn=no

Maybe this helps.

rolfie

#843 Re: Other Issues » Missing LSB tags under Chimaera » 2021-08-23 19:23:21

Thanks, looks like my problem has been reported already: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo … bug=983285, unfortunately for arm64. I'll try to add that this is a general probbem.

rolfie

#844 Re: Installation » Encryption in chimaera » 2021-08-23 18:33:12

Got 4 PC (one rarely used still on ASCII, one on Beowulf, two multiboot PCs now mainly working with Chimaera for productive work), a file server (upgraded from Beowulf) and a laptop with native Chimaera (set up in April). They all are encrypted, the system always sits on a encrypted LVM, the /home on a separate encrypted drive. On some of them other encrypted drives are loaded by an entry in the crypttab or via a separate script. Everything works very smooth and nice.

I use Chimaera now on all PCs that my wife and me work with regularly. Its rock stable. Very few glitches.

Lets us know details where you stumbled or had issues. Since an encrypted LVM is not absolutely straight forward, maybe its worth to try the basic setup in a VM?

rolfie

#845 Re: Other Issues » Missing LSB tags under Chimaera » 2021-08-23 16:35:21

Updated my fileserver and my wifes PS from Beowulf to Chimaera on the weekend. Both with openrc. During both upgrades lots of "missing LSB tags" messages were presented.

Does it make sense to write a bug reprot to Devuan?

rolfie

#846 Re: Other Issues » Missing LSB tags under Chimaera » 2021-08-19 13:47:09

Thanks for the heads up, I was looking for such a script and did not find anything useful by the means of Nemo (Cinnamon desktop). In fact there is a cgroups script in /etc/init.d without a LSB header. Here are the first few lines:

#!/sbin/openrc-run
# Copyright (c) 2017 The OpenRC Authors.
# See the Authors file at the top-level directory of this distribution and
# https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/master/AUTHORS
#
# This file is part of OpenRC. It is subject to the license terms in
# the LICENSE file found in the top-level directory of this
# distribution and at https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/master/LICENSE
# This file may not be copied, modified, propagated, or distributed
# except according to the terms contained in the LICENSE file.

description="Mount the control groups."

cgroup_opts=nodev,noexec,nosuid

depend()
{
	keyword -docker -prefix -systemd-nspawn -vserver
	after sysfs mountkernfs
}

....

Script by the openrc team. Worth a bug report?

rolfie

Short update: this script is not present under Beowulf/openrc/Cinnamon

#847 Re: Other Issues » Missing LSB tags under Chimaera » 2021-08-18 19:59:42

Not sure, but it rang a bell. In any case, lsb-release is installed as well as under Beowulf as under Chimaera which is running productive for a while right now. My boot nicely displays Devuan/GNU Linux. No issues there.

Though: I have polished os-release a bit:

PRETTY_NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux 4 (Chimaera)"
NAME="Devuan GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="4"
VERSION="4 (Chimaera)"
ID=devuan
ID_LIKE=debian
HOME_URL="https://www.devuan.org/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://devuan.org/os/community"
BUG_REPORT_URL="https://bugs.devuan.org/"

I thought names need to be Caps for nice English, at least when displayed.

Though I don't think its an issue, did a similar thing under Beowulf already. Must be something else.

rolfie

#848 Other Issues » Missing LSB tags under Chimaera » 2021-08-18 18:17:41

rolfie
Replies: 7

Dual boot system running Beowulf/Chimaera, both with openRC. Have Virtualbox 6.1.24 as deb from Virtualbox.com downloaded and installed with dpkg -i on both Beowulf and Chimaera. I first discovered the issue under Chimaera while compling the kernel modules for VBox. But its not limited to VBox, it also happened lately while installing some updates.

On Chimaera, I am getting reproduceably:

insserv: warning: script 'cgroups' missing LSB tags
insserv: Default-Start undefined, assuming empty start runlevel(s) for script `cgroups'
insserv: Default-Stop  undefined, assuming empty stop runlevel(s) for script `cgroups'
insserv: warning: script 'cgroups' missing LSB tags
insserv: Default-Start undefined, assuming empty start runlevel(s) for script `cgroups'
insserv: Default-Stop  undefined, assuming empty stop runlevel(s) for script `cgroups'
insserv: warning: script 'cgroups' missing LSB tags
insserv: Default-Start undefined, assuming empty start runlevel(s) for script `cgroups'
insserv: Default-Stop  undefined, assuming empty stop runlevel(s) for script `cgroups'
insserv: warning: script 'cgroups' missing LSB tags
insserv: Default-Start undefined, assuming empty start runlevel(s) for script `cgroups'
insserv: Default-Stop  undefined, assuming empty stop runlevel(s) for script `cgroups'

while Beowulf is running fine.

What is missing under Chimaera?

rolfie

#849 Re: Other Issues » Can I share a "data" LVM logical volume in a multi-boot linux setup? » 2021-08-18 18:09:15

entropyagent wrote:

Interesting, thanks. Are these 'parts' logical volumes?

In my case, no. I have 3 encrypted partitions for the fixed data, volatile Beowulf and volatile Chimaera.

The main system is an encrypted LVM for / and swap.

As fsmithred I have opened LVM shares to fix problems with live systems like Knoppix or the rescue mode of a boot medium often enough to say that I never had any issues.

rolfie

#850 Re: Other Issues » Can I share a "data" LVM logical volume in a multi-boot linux setup? » 2021-08-17 16:33:46

Sharing a LVM logical volume should work fine without any problems as long as its not used for distribution specific configuration data. LVM2 is mature, and there should be no major difference in the LVM implementation between distributions. Booting into one or the other should not matter for a data storage, and as long as you use a mature file system like ext4 on the share.

I have split my /home for my multiboot setup with Beowulf and Chimaera into a partition that holds all office data like pictures, LO files etc, and a distribution specific part that holds all the hidden config and cache files. The office share is linked into the distribution specific part during boot.

rolfie

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