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Steve, my bad lol, I was bit too over the top yesterday, I am sure.
That being said, I agree it should be closed too.
Also, sometimes I try to help people who don't want help...
Anyways, last time I will reply here, its going nowhere good anyways.
I think, if I remember right, you have only bought the right to use MS Windows, a kind of lease, you don't own it outright - which was another reason for using Linux for me.
I would prefer to use totally open software & hardware, but it won't happen, because companies spend billions to bring new products to market, to stay ahead of their competitors.
Indeed, I wish all hardware had to be mandatorily be under free licenses only. Aka, fully open source ones. Whether permissive or copyleft.
That being said, I doubt that will come for a while if ever. And if it does happen, it will take a huge situation and possibly 500+ years to happen.
Basically, not in our future probably...
zapper wrote:If your laughing at it, its because you are antisocial probably... or you don't know the news of sneedacity and their 4chan bs trying to intimidate cookie engineer.
Yup, and I'm laughing at it more and more with each passing day. I only feel sorry for the gullible fools who buy into outright lies and deception.
zapper wrote:Besides, you do realize that the trolls at sneedacity threatened cookie engineer and his family right?
There is no evidence of this, as I said already. Do you know what schizophrenia is? He could also be staging all this "drama" all along. Anyone can write numbers on sticky notes and make a house look like there was a murder. I've seen this time and time again on the Internet. Nothing changes.
zapper wrote:Yeah... I would stop for that reason above alone.
Feel free to. As for myself, I'll keep calling a spade a spade. Sneedacity has barely been around for two weeks and is already proving to be the best thing since sliced bread. Even the Audacium developers admitted in an IRC conversation to borrowing code from Sneedacity for a commit. If Sneedacity wasn't a serious project, then why even acknowledge their existence? That's how I know Sneedacity is the true winner. Give it up.
zapper wrote:EDIT: After seeing the commens you just posted, I realize I might have been right the first time.
Well, with a signature like that, I'm surprised you don't spend more time on the Antix forums. That's more your crowd, I reckon. Devuan has no politics (left or right).
You really shouldn't assume wrongdoing on the victims part without actual evidence... which most users here seem to think is against him.
I really hope I am wrong about you, but usually I see this from far right fringe people, this level of perceived sociopathic behavior.
I hope I am misunderstanding who you are, that being said... you look very suspiciously maligant. I am going to hope I am wrong though...
As for Antix... I don't know much about AntiX or their forums.
That all being said, please don't assume anything about him without knowing the whole story. Perhaps I don't know the whole story, but 4chan has been part of a lot of harrassment type situations, so try not to assume people are making a scene as your first go to belief when it involves 4chan on the other end.
Last thought though will be this:
Please open your eyes, lest you lose your way any furher.
Such arrogance is dangerous...
I'll save you a trip down my memory lane and say, less than a year ago, I discovered my pride problem... I am working on it more than I ever have before... Be careful, lest, pride sneak up on you too...
Also, no one likes a boastful fool. I am sure you are better than that. Given all people are created by the Lord.
Pride is a form of boastfulness btw...
Confidence = Good
Pride = overconfidence thus bad...
Anyways, hope you find peace from the same pride I have been fighting for a long time.
Audacity has been officially forked. Its new name is Sneedacity (DEB builds here).
I'm also laughing my ass off at that "Cookie Engineer" kook crying over a poll (because of the name being picked). Clown World at it again.
If your laughing at it, its because you are antisocial probably... or you don't know the news of sneedacity and their 4chan bs trying to intimidate cookie engineer.
Besides, you do realize that the trolls at sneedacity threatened cookie engineer and his family right?
...
Yeah... I would stop for that reason above alone.
EDIT: After seeing the commens you just posted, I realize I might have been right the first time.
...
No not OpenBSD's thinking, the actual definition which goes back more than a few decades:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_large_object
I don't place much faith in belief systems surrounding GNU/FSF. Device firmware is just a fact of life - some implementations are acceptable others are bad, some more are utter crap. But unless you have the money and resources to develop your own hardware, we're stuck with x86. I think that situation is positively win, win for Microsoft. Linux and 'BSD users stranded on old hardware, while it continues this latest "embrace" phase.
While we're talking "beliefs" I have the firm conviction that the new Microsoft is far more dangerous to free software than the old.
MS have been working on WSL/WSL2, Azure, etc for many years. All of those products are about /not/ running a Linux OS on bare metal but on proprietary software owned ad controlled by Microsoft. Its takeover of the github platform and other acquisitions are all part of the same strategy.
Hardware is "intellectual property". To maintain a competitive advantage there are "trade secrets". The hardware you use was developed by corporations who seek to profit from it
"All rights reserved" refers to copyright - it has nothing to do with software licensing.
The MIT license would not stop e.g. Intel from taking Nvidia's code, which they have spent billions and decades of research on, and just incorporating it in their own products - decreasing Nvidia's advantage in that market and share value. tl;dr - they won't do that.
I don't doubt that corporations won't stop using all rights reserved, my point, is that copyright license in itself, is pure evil.
Because it allows DRM galore to be put into stuff, and making a patch to remove it, requires heavy reverse engineering under such tough conditions, that its nearly impossible to do what is needed to be done.
FSF/GNU you are however right about, although I say this, because they don't go nearly far enough on actual freedom issues, like systemd, dbus, networkmanager, pulseaudio, pipewire, etc...
aka, some software that is being developed by people for linux, is meant to break freedom and force adoption by breaking backwards compatibility. FSF/GNU doesn't seem to understand this is a huge threat.
As for x86, I think you are very wrong about the future, I think Risc-V will one day be the main however, there is one question, that remains unknown, how much of it will be, non blobbed Risc-V implementations... again, the actual definition, including non-free firmware.
But yeah, non-free firmware being a fact of life is total hogwash.
It is unreasonable for corporations to have such unjust power to be allowed to put backdoors in all their software...
Anyways, that's my final thought. so... yeah.
I've been puttering with QBasic 1.1 (comes with DOS 5+) over the last year and to make a long story short, I'm looking for someone to run the following program on a computer that has real 386DX 33MHz CPU, so that I can compare the results to how it runs in DOSBox.
The program is here,
https://github.com/Tatwi/QBasic/blob/ma … ENCHES.BAS
and the description is here,
https://github.com/Tatwi/QBasic/tree/master/BENCHES
Part of the long story is included in the description, if you're interested.
Other CPUs I'd like to get data for are,
- Intel 386DX 16MHz
- AMD 386 40MHz
- Intel 486SX 25MHz
- Intel 486DX 33MHz
- Any Cyrix/IBM CPU in this age/speed range.Why?
OCD and I can't afford to buy an old PC just to answer this question, basically. But mostly OCD.
Thanks!
I probably could, if I had a device that old, but I don't really know if I do... though. So... yeah...
Someone may be able to answer you, but I don't know...
Although if all else fails, try dosbox-x maybe? idk...
BLOBs are not the same as device firmware. The latter is part of most devices, either residing the device's NVRAM or as a firmware image which is loaded via the device driver/firmware loader.
Far from being unnecessary, they are actually the device's own OS. In that they are code which runs on the device itself and not any kind of x86 OS binary.
Some firmware is "open source", some is proprietary. Despite contributing driver code the Linux graphics stack, Intel and AMD graphics tech is every bit as proprietary as Nvidia - with closed source firmware and hardware. They won't release code which could threaten their commercial interests.
Camtaf, you're correct in that modern CPU's actually use a firmware layer called microcode, which runs on the "hardwired" CPU. Microcode makes it possible, well most of time, for the vendor to "patch" the CPU. There are also "out of band" processors running on modern CPU's, running a small OS - e.g. the Intel Management Engine.
The IME has been deliberately designed to prevent the end user disabling it. Along with UEFI and Secureboot, all of this tech equates to less freedom, privacy and security for end users.
As headstick has said, raspberry pi and its Broadcom chips, is no escape - neither is in fact ARM, if/when Nvidia buy them out.
The raspberry pi people already made their intentions plain in the PR disaster regarding the vscode Microsoft repository. But if you're already in bed with Broadcom, signed NDAs and developing devices loaded with proprietary firmware, courting Microsoft is not such a big deal.
I think you misunderstood my position, anything non-free including firmware that has potential insecurities, or backdoors, is a blob to me. You are thinking of OpenBSD's thinking on blobs, but that isn't the FSF/GNU or even my belief.
Also, their commerical interests are bullshit. I know they couldn't care less, but I in fact do care, thus I will never use anything with an intel me equivelant enabled at all, as long as I can.
I say their commercial interests are bs, though, because the way they accomplish their goals is just... phenomenally messed up.
Its not the fact that the hardware isn't open source that is the ONLY problem, its actually the fact that it is laden with pointless DRM that requires non-free firmware to run, for, things like wifi, graphics and sound even...
I knew microsoft, apple, google were bad, but I didn't know raspberrypi people were bad also...
smh...
If all hardware was under at least an mit license instead of that absurdly corrupt all rights reserved license, that would be a step in the right direction.
But nope, alas... that will probably never happen for most mainstream hardware. Greed/Power is just too enticing for many of these big corporations.
I guess to end this thought, all hardware should have optionally free licenses. Trademarks of course are a different matter as long as they don't go the road of mozilla, but yeah...
Anyways, rant done...
@Camtaf: Some people take issue with "binary blobs" in Linux. They feel "Open Source" isn't "open" if there's a binary blob (proprietary code) on their system. That's fine, it's their prerogative. Others have a more pragmatic stance, accepting that these blobs are necessary if certain vendors (mainly nVidia, but also the RPi/Broadcom chips) have their products work on Linux.
Blobs, are completely stupid to even require. Usually its just an excuse to force backdoors down people throats.
Smh...
btw, Nvidia and Broadcom can suck it if that's there way of doing things.
I will never, ever use their products unless I have no choice, and more importantly, I will never buy or ask for their products most likely either.
That being said, blobs are not an issue to me, if it can be confirmed they do nothing shady. But that is very unlikely usually...
Mnt Reform being one example of this. Libreboot/Coreboot + Me cleaner being similar albeit not nearly as good.
There will come a time when these abominations will be the only older hardware available. Many of us will not live long enough to see that shift but it will eventually happen . . .
That is not a good sign to hear...
I really, really hope that this doesn't happen till the next millenium or never.
Such things are pure evil.
Unless Risc-V takes shape in the future... well you know.
That all being said, I recently learned that gen 5 processors and onward require blobs even for their sound! that's just plain bullshit.
It's bad enough that gen 5 processors have boot guard and blob for the graphics, but sound too now? lame...
Audacity is being forked, I believe, so no worries.
That all being said, I heard about this problem, and I think debian should abandon current audacity in favor of a fork.
I'm fine as long as I can find refurbished machines.
Agreed, but even better than that, would be coreboot + me cleaner...
I got some computers with such stuff on it. I will take ivy bridge issues or over the current and I use this sarcastically, "latest and the greatest"
Because these two things do not agree for me combined. Aka, Latest = worst... at this time anyways...
As long as Risc-V isn't where it needs to be, I will stick with what I have for most things.
Starfive gives me some hope though. It looks like it may be closer to sandy bridge, but oh well...
It is still open source though completely...
When the time is right, I will still probably use it.
Pocket Mnt Reform is coming! Potentially, in two years I bet!
I press the fn button + f4 and in my other comps, it immediately goes to sleep.
Well... it doesn't seem to do this in devuan beowulf on my x230*. I wonder if this problem happens in devuan chimaera...
Hello, I have some problems trying to mute the microphone with the keyboard, the key doesn't work on XFCE; however, if I use other distro or DE the key works well. Any advice with this situation?
Thank you.
Hmm... I had this problem once, every time I poweroff my devuan system and power it back on, its enabled all over again.
On an unrelated note, I can't use the FN F4 key combination to make devuan go into suspend mode. I may make a separate issue for that, although...
its odd I am on beowulf, a stable release and it does this...
XFCE might be the problem for you, or it could be another mess that debian is allowing redhat to make.
hard to say...
zapper wrote:dice wrote:You must be bored replying to old threads zapper.
Somewhat, lol.
But its also early where I am and its raining alot, so I won't be going anywhere today lol.
Also, the thread started in June man... just sayin. heh.
It's not like I necroed a three year old thread, now thats being bored! hehe...
Well its getting old and what you posted has no relevance to the thread so now we are just messing up the OP's thread.
Heres an idea, why dont you delete your posts and when you finish ill delete mine.
I sent you a pm, as to what I think we should do...
If golinux sees this thread, I hope it will be locked.
My final reply btw... from here on out, pm me.
You must be bored replying to old threads zapper.
Somewhat, lol.
But its also early where I am and its raining alot, so I won't be going anywhere today lol.
Also, the thread started in June man... just sayin. heh.
It's not like I necroed a three year old thread, now thats being bored! hehe...
zapper wrote:dice wrote:You missed a step.
always.....
openbsd signify would be a nice addition for this security measure.
I think the "You missed a step
always......"
Is what turned off Meridian...
Just a heads up.
Not judging, just sayin, you came across as prideful, even if you aren't in actuality.
prideful ? what a load of bollocks.
"I always" is what i should have posted so as not turn off persons on the internet.
That was just how I saw it... you can choose to take my advice or not.
It's ultimately your choice what you wish to believe.
That being said, I have to read what bollocks even means...
EDIT: It was not even close to my intention to say things you considered rubbish. But yeah, like I said above...
It is your choice what you want to believe...
Micronaut wrote:Such intense Apple hate... Are they really any worse than Intel?
Fuck yes. Intel have contributed a huge amount to Linux, Apple are a bunch of twats.
I would say that what you just said here, is too kind to apple, they are much worse than that...
They are like google, only less dangerous.
I say less dangerous, because their changes dont have any effect on other hardware other than apple approved hardware.
Thus, Google is still 2x worse at least due to their stuff getting engrained in so many things.
Although Redhat is just as bad as Apple due to their sneaky methods of forcing systemd and other crap down peoples' throats.
Just my two cents.
zapper wrote:dice wrote:Good question, i was thinking the same. Perhaps the 64 has some mods? I highly doubt a computer from 1982 would be able to run devuan beowulf, but i would be happy to be proven wrong.
Wait 64mb of ram? you say? That seems a bit unlikely, I mean I could understand 32mb... and maybe jwm if its 32 bit and be using something like console-tdm to start it, if you turn off certain services... *cough* dbus *cough*
Even then, 32mb seems like a stretch, but yeah, 64K sounds insanely low to be able to run devuan...
You'd have a better chance of using OpenBSD for something that small...
Just sayin...
I would also love to be proven wrong...
Not just the 64K of RAM, either. When was the kernel ported to 8-bit 6502 (or 6509 - whatever variant they used)? Never.
Ah, lots of problems then! Well, I wonder though, if any BSD's support 8 bit still...
OpenBSD supposedly could, but it probably has very slow support I imagine...
If it does at all.
Looks like it doesn't at the moment...
https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html
Although it does support this:
luna88k
Dunno about NetBSD though. That might lol.
Yep it does:
zapper wrote:golinux wrote:They don't have a fixed schedule. They have a "when it's ready" schedule as does Devuan.
They are.
Confirmation that it works or if not what the problem is would be helpful and appreciated.
Hmm, I don't usually use alphas, on my system...
I usually wait till beta to actually consider using it.
Unless I have a virtual machine of it, which isn't a bad idea.
I don't know what I will do, given my current focus, which is more or less Hyperbola, but its a thought to consider.
The installer iso's are alpha, not the distro. Chimaera, based on Debian Bullseye (which is almost ready to be released), is well tested. I've been using it without issues for months now.
That would make sense if its going to be releaesed in July, good news though!
You missed a step.
always.....
openbsd signify would be a nice addition for this security measure.
I think the "You missed a step
always......"
Is what turned off Meridian...
Just a heads up.
Not judging, just sayin, you came across as prideful, even if you aren't in actuality.
zapper wrote:Ah, I didn't know debian EVEN had a release schedule...
Thought it was like, released when we say its ready.
They don't have a fixed schedule. They have a "when it's ready" schedule as does Devuan.
zapper wrote:Good to know, also, I thought chimaera's images were still in alpha...
They are.
zapper wrote:I probably should, but sometimes I am way too lazy for it...
That being said, I assume you just report issues that you see...? Could do that, beyond that, I don't know.
Confirmation that it works or if not what the problem is would be helpful and appreciated.
Hmm, I don't usually use alphas, on my system...
I usually wait till beta to actually consider using it.
Unless I have a virtual machine of it, which isn't a bad idea.
I don't know what I will do, given my current focus, which is more or less Hyperbola, but its a thought to consider.
fsmithred wrote:@andyprough:
How do you run linux on a computer with only 64k RAM???
Good question, i was thinking the same. Perhaps the 64 has some mods? I highly doubt a computer from 1982 would be able to run devuan beowulf, but i would be happy to be proven wrong.
Wait 64mb of ram? you say? That seems a bit unlikely, I mean I could understand 32mb... and maybe jwm if its 32 bit and be using something like console-tdm to start it, if you turn off certain services... *cough* dbus *cough*
Even then, 32mb seems like a stretch, but yeah, 64K sounds insanely low to be able to run devuan...
You'd have a better chance of using OpenBSD for something that small...
Just sayin...
I would also love to be proven wrong...
zapper wrote:$HOME/Zeal/Music*/*.{opus}
I think bash doesn't handle braces around singleton option well; it only works well when there are options. And it also has to find some * match for every option otherwise it results in the glob string itself. Though, perhaps inserting a prior
shopt -s nullglob
changes that.
Thus, in effect, all those selections ending {opus} end up as "bad pathnames" when picked for the later play command.
In other words, remove the braces for all {opus} and insert that shopt command, and then it hopefully will work consistently.
Hmm.... I didn't really understand how to do that... that being said, Dice's command context was smaller and actually more usable.
But it does have the same issue oddly enough.
I assume its the same problem in the sense of how often it fails. I will test more though and say otherwise if works more.
EDIT: Not even close, Dice's script seems to work more than 90% of the time.
Thank you Dice, you seem to know your software well.
Also here is what I did:
#!/bin/bash
find ~/Folder/ -type f -name '*.opus' | shuf -n 1 | xargs -d "\n" play
zapper wrote:Hmm, its almost in testing right for Devuan?
We have been in Chimaera "testing" since Beowulf was released last year..
I am curious though when Debian will release its newest version.
As stated above, Bullseye ETA is mid-July.
It does have an effect on your distro right?
Yes, we can't release Chimaera until Bullseye goes stable. There are Chimaera installation isos available for testing if you'd like to contribute to Devuan..
Ah, I didn't know debian EVEN had a release schedule...
Thought it was like, released when we say its ready.
Good to know, also, I thought chimaera's images were still in alpha...
I probably should, but sometimes I am way too lazy for it...
That being said, I assume you just report issues that you see...? Could do that, beyond that, I don't know.
dice wrote:Today i learned about this very cool link.
Steve's Old Computer Museum!
Early personal computers were nothing like present day computers - they had personality!
Each was different and more exciting than the previous, with new features and capabilities.
old computer This website is dedicated to the preservation and display of these vintage computer systems.
To the left you can "click" and explore old computers from the dawn of time!
For fun, view 150 old computers all at the same time to appreciate how diverse and interesting they areBet you guys didn't know before now that my Commodore 64 was the highest selling computer system ever. I wonder how many of those original 17 million systems are now running Beowulf like mine? Must be at least 5 million machines, I'm thinking.
I would say given humankind's lack of intelligence, its probably more like less than a million...
lol... sorry, but I think your overestimating people's intelligence here... ;p
Not to be a downer, but the world is way too corporate for even a million probably.