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#751 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Git hangs on cloning » 2023-02-04 02:33:33

TCH wrote:
zapper wrote:

Btw, you do know that your username isn't how they spell that drug right?:)

Congratulations, you're the 1,000,000th person who made a joke about it; your prize is a bucket of footsmell. tongue

Awesome! I could use a bucket of footsmell, it keeps away the dwarves!

tongue

#752 Re: Off-topic » Idle chatter nonsense » 2023-02-03 22:31:43

MiyoLinux wrote:

Let it be known...

From this point forward, I declare that I identify myself as a heatsink.

What I don't agree with really burns me up. However, what I do agree with makes me run cool and smooth.

Please refer to me in any future conversations as Sir Medium Fluidity.

Thank you.

tongue

Okay then heatsink,  or if you prefer Sir Medium Fluidity,

let me know when you see the comment above this one. tongue

#753 Re: Off-topic » Idle chatter nonsense » 2023-02-03 22:29:49

MiyoLinux wrote:
zapper wrote:

Since when do liberals identify with google?

Wait just a stinkin' minute...

Google isn't liberal? yikes

tongue

Yup, they just are a corporation, that wants to continue to make money in deceitful ways, without people on their case, as much as possible.

That being said, if someone is 10000% too far to the right or the left, anyone who deviates a little bit, will seem like they are on the other side, if they have enough  anger, hatred, or just passion in general for changing things.

Although, doesn't have to be good, or bad.

Though the moment anger and hatred become part of that passion, thats where it is headed.

As an aside, I think I just realized the word "Hatred"

hatred comes from two words, hat and red.

Thus, we can safely say that the illuminati predicted the orange ones rise to power and so he made the word hatred to warn people, not to trust anyone who loves red hats as a person for the government.

Is this true?

Probably not, but the similarities are so suspiciously nuts, that I am just stunned... just noticed this.

LOL!

xD

#754 Off-topic » Regarding FDE - /Boot and gparted in vms, reason why its in OT below: » 2023-02-03 22:23:18

zapper
Replies: 3

I only posted this here, because of one thing specifically, its because I am speaking of doing this with regards to Hyperbola.

Does anyone know how to use gparted, or gpart to disable encryption temporarily in luks, so I can resize the vm, but without increasing the size on  the physical disk but make sure that it is available in the virtual disk.

Right now for example, I have a qcow2 that uses 8.4GB but,  it has 118GB virtual disk size in it.

Reason being, I want to be able to copy the qcow2 to disk whenever needed without any annoying problems, of space getting used up too much.

I also wanted to make a few variants of it.

200GB

465GB/476GB

954GB

and still have the 118GB of course. smile

The non used space though, I don't want to take up physical space on disk though.

#755 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-02-03 22:15:47

MiyoLinux wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

distrinbtuions

This is now my second-favorite new word after crapton! tongue

Just one thing though...

if its a word at all, its slang...

This reminds me of the time that I saw someone nuke a hurricane and it magically disappeared without causing nuclear fallout.

xD

Oh wait, what was I talking about?

tongue

#756 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2023-02-03 22:07:48

fsmithred wrote:
zapper wrote:
fsmithred wrote:

The version of live-boot in daedalus/ceres is still broken. Use the deb packages for live-boot and live-boot-initramfs-tools in the same sourceforge directory I linked in my last post.

Make sure you dd the iso to the whole device, not to a partition. ( to /dev/sdb and not to /dev/sdb1 for example.)

So qemu-system-x86_64 isn't a way to do so?

Aka, with the command parameters from earlier in this thread only slightly different.

Btw, if it doesn't work properly installing via qemu on a vm, that's usually a sign of somrthing needs to be fixed.

wink

If live-boot is broken (can't find the mount command) then it doesn't matter if you install to VM or hardware.

However...  the fixed version of live-boot is now in sid/ceres and will soon be in daedalus.

$ apt policy live-boot
...
  Version table:
     1:20230131 10
         10 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
 

I mean, yeah... that is a given.

but my point being, is just that, if it can be done with vm, it should work outside of vm.

There is only one catch:

You won't know if internet works properly with a VM.

So... yeah.
I usually do this more or less:

qemu-img create -f qcow2 an.qcow2 60G
qemu-system-x86_64 -m 3072 -cdrom an.iso -boot d an.qcow2 --enable-kvm
qemu-system-x86-64 --enable-kvm an.qcow2 -cpu kvm64,+nx -m 4096 -device AC97

Btw, if you already have the OS installed and use the cd rom option and it looks like it will boot the usual os, it is still possible to press escape or have it start the other way, etc... if needed. smile

#757 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Git hangs on cloning » 2023-02-03 22:01:05

TCH wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

That librtmp1 package is not from Debian or Devuan. It is listed in that "damage.log" you posted over at daemonforums.org and it was from one of those crappy third party repositories.

So if you had done what I told you to:

I wrote:

You can try removing all of the stuff installed from those repositories to see if that fixes git. Given that git works fine in the "pure" live environment I would expect that to be the case. Good luck!

Then you wouldn't have wasted everybody's time and effort here...

First, when i said "from Debian 8", i mean't my old Debian 8 system, not the Debian 8 repo.

Second, it came from a third party repo which was removed from the system years ago and not from TDE, LLVM or Mono.

Third, damage.log contained a list of 1188 packages. You really did not think that removing them one by one and testing if git becomes alive is a viable option, did you? Not mentioning time, it contained tons of programs i use. Therefore what you've told me to do was simply could not be done.

Btw, you do know that your username isn't how they spell that drug right?

smile

#758 Re: Off-topic » Here is a good lesson, in the art of the troll! » 2023-02-03 21:56:48

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Meh. Not impressed.

Check out my forums.debian.net post history. Some real gems in there. Even when I was on the "staff". It was my fault that the Debian developers finally took an interest in the place again and flew in their wonderful "donald", if that is their real name.

Not impressed?

Go figure...

That being said, can you show me some of your gems of trolling?

smile

Windows 3.0

Pressing ALT F4 when audacity was opened, didn't give me a million dollars?

I thought that was absurd lol.

That being said, you must have a different idea of trolling then me or Andy.

He thought it was hysterical.

xD

I know I did.

#759 Off-topic » Here is a good lesson, in the art of the troll! » 2023-02-03 21:31:37

zapper
Replies: 9

https://github.com/audacity/audacity/issues/4271

Btw, look quickly before its gone... this especially means you @headonastick

smile

Whoops, meant this:

@Head_on_a_Stick

#760 Re: Off-topic » Idle chatter nonsense » 2023-02-03 04:58:36

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
JWM-Kit wrote:

I'm not expecting anyone to take this suggestion seriously.

Too late — I've set it up over at my OBS account:

https://build.opensuse.org/project/show … Stick:DCCR

big_smile

EDIT:

@Miyo: the SSL certificate expired last year. Those bloody anarchists need to get organised...

Just click on "Advanced" then add an exception for the site but be warned that viewing it will probably land you on an FBI watchlist.

Make no mistake: I am a dangerous far-left radical hell bent on overthrowing Western "civilisation".

Don't get me wrong, I know your joking here, but uh, be careful, the world has quite a few authorities who take this stuff seriously, even when its a joke.

That being said, by my standards,  most of the far right would think I was a communist when in reality, there is a huge part of the world where my ideals would be considered more centrist...

(Europe)

The more time passes tho, the more the country I live in, moves further right sometimes it seems and then they, the far right accuse "google" of being a leftist liberal whatever...

Since when do liberals identify with google? Their data centers heavily impact climate change in a negative way.

What drugs must those people be on?  This would be like telling an arsonist he is being arrested for not burning down enough houses...

WTF?

tongue

Wonder which drugs made people think Google is liberal...?

Hopefully its not going to make people crack... tongue

#761 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2023-02-03 04:46:50

fsmithred wrote:

The version of live-boot in daedalus/ceres is still broken. Use the deb packages for live-boot and live-boot-initramfs-tools in the same sourceforge directory I linked in my last post.

Make sure you dd the iso to the whole device, not to a partition. ( to /dev/sdb and not to /dev/sdb1 for example.)

So qemu-system-x86_64 isn't a way to do so?

Aka, with the command parameters from earlier in this thread only slightly different.

Btw, if it doesn't work properly installing via qemu on a vm, that's usually a sign of somrthing needs to be fixed.

wink

#762 Re: Devuan » A warning to EU mirror operators » 2023-02-03 04:34:44

Dutch_Master wrote:

Yes, true, agreed. But spreading FUD like in the OP (the EU is making a law and it's the death of FOSS) is something the FOSS community should stay well away from.

Just me tuppence folks!

Funny, some youtubers I have seen via  invidio instances have said something similar to the OP.

Also, thinkpenguin, said something regarding all wifi routers being locked down, but that also seems to not be true, for linksys anyways.

It was with regard to FCC new rules that were being pushed at one point, not something thinkpenguin said, just so you all know.

Except linksys was refusing to fall for the trap of feeling like they need to lock it down completely like the others.

This all being said, fear is everywhere more or less.

some is valid, some is semi valid and some is flat out lies.

#763 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] DEVELOPERS: don't hardcode GPT on installation » 2023-01-14 14:09:18

Andre4freedom wrote:

Again, one can take the harm out of UEFI/EFI Firmware/BIOS:
DISABLE "SECURE BOOT".
That frees you from the dependency of MS-signed keys for OS or software... And saves you from a lot of configuration trouble.

To be fair, coreboot + intel me disabled can be done up until Intel Gen 10 on quite a few processors.

If you wonder why I know this, look up Nitrokey.com and then check NitroPC on their website.

Nitropc uses that.

My point being, UEFI is very often a pile of unneeded crap.

The only exception is for people who work for people who have the gall to think that windows serves any purpose on any rational level.

Which is  a "deceptive, stupid, or morally depraved" argument

Then again, bosses who feel like Windows serves a purpose are very common... so the above criteria does alas apply.

#764 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 02:21:38

JWM-Kit wrote:

I was waiting for @zappers input from our discussion before making the suggest  of JWMKit as a possibility for this repository, but I see he already jumped in head first. wink   I guess he's quicker to action than I am.  Thanks

JWMKit is not in the Debian repository and the project was originally release here on these forums as a Refracta build of Devuan.  I do maintain debs so it should be easy to add to the repository and keep up to date.

I think it would also be nice to see things like JWM themes in the repository, and custom Devuan wallpapers, icons, etc.  Or archives of older Devuan artwork that is not in the current release.

Also having the repository would help deliver the newest versions to the user of my Devuan based JWMKit Linux.

I thought that was already obvious... I was confused why you didn't reply here sooner.

xD

#765 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-14 02:20:37

andyprough wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

EDIT: @admin: time to close this thread?

Why? Watching you bang your head endlessly against zapper is quite entertaining. I would think we need at least another 20 pages of this.

Actually, I don't doubt that for you, but for other people on the forum, it might get tiresome...

tongue

To be honest, it gets old anyhow... from here on out, maybe I will update this post for new replies...

smile

@MiyoLinux "No hate against Arch, and I haven't tried this experiment since then...but I have no desire to use a system that claims one thing but does another... tongue  I guess their KISS philosophy is to keep it simple and install junk that users don't need??? I don't know. big_smile"

That is sad lol and yeah, their youtuber base tries to act high and mighty about their suckless philosophy, while ignoring the big elephants in the room.

There is for example, nothing suckless about, dbus, systemd, avahi, pipewire, pulseaudio, networkmanager, the libraries for these protocols, java is another stupid one, node.js, openssl is another mess, etc...  point being, the difference between archlinux and debian is that debian never claims to be lightweight...

But archlinux has, thus they are liars.

Its sometimes hard for me to believe, what Hyperbola has done to debloat the EXPLETIVE out of that hulking mess to make an ultra lightweight distro.

Its like using the OpenPOWER processor arch and making Microwatt or Libre-Soc, only it is probably not nearly as hard to achieve on a  time basis.

Not sure on a difficulty basis tho. Besides which, both of those are still, incomplete, last I checked.

big_smile

Meh... it is what it is.

#766 Re: DIY » cpu limitations, for power saving » 2023-01-13 21:51:47

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

I don't always think before I act/post

No shit.

This statement, though some would consider it crass and offensive, is just annoying, but true.

I will admit, that is nicer than I expected from you.

Not meaning to sound sarcastic either.

To be fair, I am being  completely serious.

My point was, you might perceive this as sarcasm, but its not.

Anywho, later!

#767 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-13 21:47:52

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I did suggest that a bug report was called for in respect of that statement over at the forums. It's nonsense.

EDIT: and yes, Manjaro fuckwits regularly try to get Archers to fix their problems. It's very sad.

Sad sounds about right, because they will get harrassed with lots of to put it mildly, mamba venom.

Or to put it in a way some would understand:

They are going to get the "Discord treatment"

When did you suggest a bug report for that?

If I had to guess, it probably got closed as invalid, or won't fix.

Not sure tho... but that is the usual way things go.

#768 Re: DIY » cpu limitations, for power saving » 2023-01-13 21:44:37

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

Does this work this way on hardware from 2008+?

Or  before 2014?

I think so. Have you checked sysfs? Which governors are available.

And please stop full-quoting unnecessarily. It's really annoying and it makes the thread very hard to follow.

Haven't actually checked sysfs specifically, was trying a while ago.

As for the full quoting, I should mention, I don't always think before I act/post, etc...

Its a long story that I cannot get into right now...

#769 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-13 21:42:12

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

Manjaro users aren't bastards

The ones who try to get help on the Arch forums are.

Really? I didn't think they did that, especially given the elite nature of archlinux...

zapper wrote:

Archlinux's current principles go against their keep it simple stupid lightweight principles

Arch is not, and has never been, lightweight. It uses glibc FFS...

Hmm... then why does it say that on their webpage?

Weird...

EDIT:

"You've reached the website for Arch Linux, a lightweight and flexible Linux® distribution that tries to Keep It Simple."

Very strange...

#770 Re: DIY » cpu limitations, for power saving » 2023-01-13 21:41:02

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

I hear   underclocking,  increases power savings

I disagree. The scaling governors will ramp down the frequency *very* quickly if the CPU is idle. My Ryzen 5850U drops to 400MHz with the amd-pstate driver. Not much point underclocking that.

And anyway I would think it would be more power efficient to run the processor at full speed and get the job done quicker.

zapper wrote:

autocpu-freq

That looks pointless to me. There's no way a user space program can control the CPU frequency scaling as well as the kernel. Just use the powersave or conservative governor instead.

$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors
conservative ondemand userspace powersave performance schedutil
$

YMMV.

Okay, the above messages you said here, are actually good advice, just one slight issue though:

Does this work this way on hardware from 2008+?

Or  before 2014?

Considering this, I will take your advice till other situations make themselves known.

#771 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-13 21:35:56

Btw, Archlinux's current principles go against their keep it simple stupid lightweight principles, so none of what you said makes any sense at all.

It is not technical, it is ideology...

so yeah.

#772 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-13 21:33:04

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

OpenBSD does one part, other distros do another.

OpenBSD is not a "distro" [sic]. It is an operating system.

Hmm... I recall writing this, but I thought I edited it out... egg on me...

zapper wrote:

which users is arch centric to?

Arch Linux Principles wrote:

The distribution is intended to fill the needs of those contributing to it, rather than trying to appeal to as many users as possible. It is targeted at the proficient GNU/Linux user, or anyone with a do-it-yourself attitude who is willing to read the documentation, and solve their own problems.

And it does this superbly, in my (eight year) experience.

zapper wrote:

Makes me wonder if the people who accepted these ideals, are heavily drugged and/or completely okay with destroying perfectly good ideas, hardware and the climate itself, just to make quick money.

None of the Arch developers make any money out of it.

The reasons for the switch to systemd were given in this excellent forum post by one of the developers:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php … 0#p1149530

I would strongly encourage you to read that because the reasoning is clear and entirely technical in nature, unlike the deranged, incoherent rantings of tin-foil hat wearers like yourself.

Tin foil hat you say...

Says the person who has an entire suit made out of tinfoil and wears a 10 gallon texas version of one, looks in the mirror and pretends they look like they are wearing gold all over their body.

Sure man...

You really believe that was their honest opinion?

Please put down the pipe...

Crack is whack.

andyprough wrote:

Also Arch (circa 2012-2013): We're shoving systemd down your throat, and anyone who speaks up about it gets banned

I'm curious: how exactly does one get "banned" from Arch Linux? If that were even possible I'm sure the Arch devs would have kicked those Manjaro bastards to the kerb a long time ago, if only to stop them DDoS'ing the AUR.[1]

Manjaro users aren't bastards, that would be the development leaders of manjaro thank you very much!

I presume you are referring to the forums and it is certainly true that pointless rants about the init system are closed down pretty quickly but speaking as an active user on those boards (6,615 posts) I am very glad that is the case. The boards are for troubleshooting and reasonable discussion. Nothing said there will affect Arch development because very few Arch devs ever visit.

And anyway the systemd discussion thread to which I linked above went on for 18 pages and was only closed once the transition was completed. Everybody had their chance to pitch in with their (pointless) opinion.

Than just lock it already... if this doesn't please you...

-_-

#773 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] DEVELOPERS: don't hardcode GPT on installation » 2023-01-13 21:26:49

rolfie wrote:

You will have to get accustomed to efi and GPT with new HW. I bought a new Acer laptop about 2 years ago that does not have the possibility anymore to configure CSM.

efi and GPT are mandatory.

New HW, yeah... but quick question,

Why would we want *new hardware*

I refuse to use uefi, as much as possible, because I don't care who it is, especially the big three corporate goons whose names I tire of saying, but even like RIAA, another bullshit artist corporation, hollywood, a hugely awful corpse,  or any of them, etc...

Their real reason for data collection has nothing to do with anti-terrorism or any of that lying crap...

Look up ciphersaber.com, for the real reason.

Btw, I think in particular, they want to have assurance that even if their copyright infringement issues happen, they will still make money enough to cover that which they are, but they are so greedy, there is no limit to how far they will take this. This feeds their ego, to be able to amass ungodly amounts of wealth and if they lose it, it hurts their egos, so that's why they do this.

They need to know this, but:

They *DO NOT* Need *OUR INFORMATION!* *EVER!*

They just don't need to collect it. I wouldn't care if the government and corporations could be trusted, which its clear is a huge false usually anyhow.

The problem is, they aren't the only ones who can take advantage of UEFI.  There are huge, serious vulnerabilities that the original bios never had that UEFI has due to there being a remote connection usually before the OS even is loaded.

There are malware safe havens anyhow across the globe... so yeah... no.

Unless you have coreboot + intel me disabled or libreboot, or something on that level or better.


Point being, we actually don't need to get used to using uefi, its a trash setup that serves no good purpose on any level.

I feel like it would have been nice to have a *drop mic emoji for this message*

Meh... oh well!

#774 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-13 21:11:44

MiyoLinux wrote:

I have several things... tongue ...that I've built (aka coded) and include with MiyoLinux releases, but I don't think they're really worth making "repository builds" for; they're basically just convenience-items that I include on MiyoLinux.  wink

Perhaps My Crappy Radio Player and the MiyoLinux Update Notifier (which I don't actually include in MiyoLinux releases) may be of interest to some folks? I don't know, but I would be glad to package them for a Community Repository if desired.

jwmkit is a good example of this
sct which is set color temperature is a massively huge example of this. faf currently is working on a fork of sct,  that is more or less, a continuation of it.

Noods is good, for a DS emulator.  its pronounced like this tho:

Noo-ds.

I feel the need to mention to him that he may want to space it to make sure people know its not called Noods.

tongue

multiload-ng-systray is another

Btw, if you want more examples for community software that is actually good, hyperbola.info has a crapton of reasonable lightweight software packages for said purpose.

I currently am in the process of convincing a dev on the team to ditch redshift in favor of set color temperature. The one from the faf repo. smile

This all being said, this idea is in fact good.

Whoever makes this repository, I recommend you, add specifically, stuff that either

A: Debian doesn't have due to selfishness, meaning like their ideology about how wonderful it is to use redhat bloated frameworks

B: Debian cannot support even if they wanted to, which is a less guilty reason... tongue

C: Stuff neither Devuan or Debian has.  Innocent reasoning...

D:  Specifically lightweight packages that aren't traditionally available or are outdated as all hell and get important fixes from time to time.

Or E:  some mixture of the above or something else entirely.

Btw, when I gave these reasons, I speak of course, of packages that are not usually supported, etc...

@jwmkit I took your offer up to make a mention here

Btw,  I thought of something new as an idea, assuming you haven't already done this, make it so we can add icons from a zip directly into jwmkit instead of the standard ones. For everything we usually use it for, etc...

Meaning when we use jwm.

I had heard of this window manager called uwm, but I haven't figured out how to use it, hence why I want to try their icons out for my purposes.

wink

Btw, hopefully someday HyperbolaBSD becomes a beta or beyond, but if that day comes, I hope you guys will at a some point, choose to make your own forks, or help with it, etc...

I do recall seeing some people at one point who had interest in a Devuan flavored HyperbolaBSD type blend.

big_smile

#775 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-01 01:31:19

@head_on_a_stick

I am aware of this,  OpenBSD does one part, other distros do another.

My point though being, is not that this *already happens* in any distros, it is more that *I used Arch* as an example to illustrate my point:
Meaning I want this to:
*happen!*

Again, Hyperbola is the closest to this ideal, though as an obvious, it will not be a chimaera similar to devuan much longer, even on the smallest level.

Btw, I am aware so many things have changed since then.

Maybe redhat would have not felt like screwing around from the beginning if it had been done this way.

Although, that remains to be a mystery to me.

Btw, which users is arch centric to?

If I had to guess, probably the ones who are highest on the totem pole. This sadly means, the ones who support system death.

sad

https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:philosophy:systemd_denial#points_for_criticism_in_detail

These 3 show a lot of  the redhat mentality in clear details:

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2447
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644

Makes me wonder if the people who accepted these ideals, are heavily drugged and/or completely okay with destroying perfectly good ideas, hardware and the climate itself, just to make quick money.

For example, I would be *MEGA STUNNED* if these issues and others similar, such as web 2.0, web 3.0, etc...

If these unneeded bloatware ideals, didn't cause ten thousand times more damage since web 2.0 came out, let alone web 1.0...

I would be *BEWILDERED*

Anywho,  although this went off the rails a bit earlier, I begin to wonder, if the people behind redhat, aren't just after profit, but actually delighting in destruction of the world for pleasure.

I hope that is a fantasy, because that would mean they have no level of darkness they won't go to to get what they want.

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