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#726 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Linux Mint Devuan Edition? » 2022-02-21 03:19:29
This idea probably died, but to be honest, don't see much use of such a thing, even despite how terrible ubuntu can be according to some of their moral issues, a mint devuan clone, seems kind of pointless too...
Beginners might like it sure, if it is done right, but the only thing different between mint and ubuntu, is that mint has somewhat better standards regarding stuff like snap packaging and other crappy things ubuntu does.
I think of it as a shiny version of ubuntu, that sucks just as much...
Mostly, because they have a stupid policy regarding certain codecs, etc...
Btw, Devuan and its derivatives, as well as my personal favorite, Hyperbola and OpenBSD, are all way better.
As long as they don't do any dumb bundling of crap, aka forcing certain non-free crap onto the install without a choice to say no...
I make exception in this only to OpenBSD, cause that system has a bullseye on security.
They focus on it like an expert sniper focuses on killing its correct targets on the first shot...
#727 Hardware & System Configuration » Question about portable drives for persistent live installations: » 2022-02-21 03:08:33
- zapper
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Does anyone know what portable solid state drives are good for linux hardware?
One rule though: NOT NVME
I say this, as I don't know their compatibility with old devices...
Aka, Thinkpads from before 2013,
Need one that is durable, that can be connected to usb 3.0/3.1
Also, I plan to disk clone several partitions onto the same solid state drive and be able to boot whichever one I choose.
Needs to be consistently at the speed of 300MB or faster
Needs to be able to be stuffed in a small bag more or less
Optional, but it would be nice if it could be rewritten over 100000 times or more, meaning recloned...
Last thing of needed, want one that is 1TB or more...
#728 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-21 02:55:10
Hoas . . . Wake up! There is no "data" that does not have confirmation bias because humans collect and interpret it. Humans are quite selfish, deluded and unreliable creatures. Data is most often used as a weapon to manipulate and control populations to create fear (mostly of death) but also to increase desire. It is pure marketing genius. Marshall McLuhan understood this decades ago. It is a capitalist's wet dream . . .
I just live my life happily and ignore the farce of human stupidity.
This reminds me of my favorite idea of a commercial...
Capitalism! Is proudly sponsored by...
Sociopaths
Lemmings
Sheep
Nazis
Calvinists
Because what kind of person would support a system, that doesn't care about morality, but if the means to an end is achieved...
All of whom, don't really grasp their own foolishness, beyond even just this existence...
My point being... The West in particular is destroying the world and its credibility when it comes to being wise at the same time...
So yeah... I agree with you... although for rather different reasons.
Humans have been and always will be, in need of some sort of savior in my opinion...
Otherwise, the destructive cycle would not only be perpetuated, but I am pretty sure it would have taken only a tiny fraction of the time that it has taken for the unhealthy emissions to do as much damage as they have done.
That being said, no government system by itself works 100% of the time...
A blend of ideas is needed...
Too far to the right? Fascism is coming!
too far to the left? Chaos is coming...
Although, I do think the only countries that come close to understanding balance, are European ones...
The socialism bogey man is no reason to go so far to the right, that you have something called Fascist Capitalism...
Crazy stuff there...
#729 Re: DIY » I am in need of a particular suspend+lock script » 2022-02-14 04:00:19
You could maybe you use the -killtime and -killer
Though I'm not sure what "warn for 30 minutes" means; warn repeatedly for 30 minutes?
I suppose eg a 5 minute killer could check the time since slock start, and warn or eventually call pm-suspend?
Basically, after it is locked, it warns for 30 minutes, doesn't undo the lock and then goes back to waiting 30 minutes over and over again, kind of thing...
If its ever idle for longer than the duration, it suspends. and if you bring it back, aka, take it out of suspend and unlock it,
then it repeats from step 1.
Btw, by warn, I mean the screen turns a specific color, or a warning message appears with a timer before it suspends.
Something like that.
#730 Re: DIY » Script for starting application and picking random folder to do it in » 2022-02-14 03:56:43
In particular, there are two interests, loading certain .txt files via something like focuswriter or l3afpad
That's what I was thinking of at this time, though in the future idk?
#731 Re: Installation » The best init system » 2022-02-13 03:06:43
If s6-init becomes lighter than even runit, maybe that?
If not, Runit is a good one.
Just need to learn how to use it better. Haven't felt the motivation as much to learn due to it being not finished on Hyperbola, but I use it alot on Devuan.
Openrc is the probably the most userfriendly so far? I think?
If s6 is more user friendly and lighter on the system, meaning less battery power used, I may have more interest.
All that being said, currently runit is the fastest I have seen, and uses the least ram and I think also CPU.
But if you want an easy one, do not use runit unless you look at how to use it and feel like you understand it enough.
Some apps need to autostart aka after you logout, others need to always be on and some should only be on when you want them on.
Anywho my two cents.
#732 DIY » Script for starting application and picking random folder to do it in » 2022-02-13 03:02:06
- zapper
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Basically, its like this thread:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4380
Except, I want it to be able to function with more than just playing a random audio or video file.
Same conditions mostly apply, its for Hyperbola mostly.
But if it works with Devuan too, cool!
#733 DIY » I am in need of a particular suspend+lock script » 2022-02-13 02:58:54
- zapper
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I have a way to deal with root problem aspect... aka doas...
But yeah, I wondered if anyone knows how to make a python script that does something similar to the below:
I know how to do the first part, which is wait 30 minutes, then lock... xautolock + slock makes this possible...
The second part, I need help with however...
after it is locked, WARN for 30 minutes, then activate the part that suspends system...
This I have covered easily however...
Just part 2 eludes me at this time...
Btw, I want this to work with Hyperbola.
I hope that is okay...
Just to be clear, the 2nd part isn't an issue probably on Debian based distros anyhow, as far as I know. Just closing the lid seems to do that already.
#734 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-01-25 06:15:40
"I've noticed JWM (with or without JWM Kit) hardly uses more ram than a session without a window Manager or DE. Pretty amazing. I've also noticed that the memory usage can differ by a good percentage from one machine to another. I've tracked this down to 2 things.
A system with more memory automatically uses more memory for cache.
At such low memory usage hardware driver account for a larger percent of the used RAM. Hardware affects which drivers get loaded and this affects memory usage."
Just going to focus on this part, for now...
That seems accurate to me as well.
It really doesn't add much of anything unless you choose to have other apps autostarted with JWM,
I think for me at most, it adds like 10-20mb on my other laptop, but bare in mind, I have 16GB of RAM on that comp. xD
Although, it also depends on one thing, how many apps have been started before you check memory
free -m
like that in terminal
also, even if you close those particular apps, it still shows residual memory being used...
I have no idea why.
xD
That has been my experience anyways.
As ironic as it sounds, you just made the most KISS friendly low resource window manager, that isn't too complex and has the basic functionality I need into more usable, then Lumina Desktop.
Kind of ironic, but I appreciate it alot.
Edit: Also, it really doesn't add much extra ram usage either.
#735 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-01-23 05:26:47
zapper wrote:Curious though how efficient the newest stable will be though.
I expect a slight improvement of efficiency in the up coming stable, I doubt this will help system performance though since JWM Kit has always been designed to not run in the background and avoid execution when not need. In other words an improved JWM Kit will do little to improve performance if JWM Kit was not the cause of any performance issues to begin with.
The big difference will be JWM Kit Keys which is used to configure key binding. Keys is now 40% less code, lighter on resource while providing major interface improvements. To be clear that is Just the "Keys" tool not the whole kit. While their will be improvements to the rest of the kit it will not be as drastic.
While smaller code size does not always mean more efficient code, it is a good sign. I'd like to point out that new packages are almost always smaller than the previous version despite the addition of features along with new or improved icons, etc. Of course I don't know how much longer I can keep that up, because simply put more features means more code. I've just managed to keep it down by refining the code every release.
As for the DWM vs JWM. I'm not a fan of Dynamic tiling. As Andy said "once you get used to it." The deal is I don't get used to it. I think it's my vision. I don't want my screen divided in to smaller parts. I want what I"m looking at big and up front with the ability to float another window on top out of the way when needed.
To be fair to DWM I've not really used it. So who knows. Maybe it gets tiling right for me.
I don't blame you, figuring out the keybindings and how to change them, gave me a massive headache.
As for the efficiency, yeah that's a good point, it is already used for the most lightweight window manager with the basic functionality that is needed, with or without your tool. Though your tool makes it way more useful + easier.
I probably made too many comments already... cutting it short, peace all!
#736 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-01-23 05:24:13
just stumbled across this. (thanks google)
Indeed, I very much appreciate him making this as well, it is the lightest window manager I have seen yet, that has basic functionality akin to i3-wm or anything heavier without sucking at all.
You can of course check for yourself.
#737 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-01-23 05:21:14
zapper wrote:I must be missing something, otherwise this wouldn't be an enigma to me.
Dynamic tiling. Once you get used to it, everything else feels deficient by design.
Yeah, except I never could get used to it, I tried like almost 6 times in the past to my knowledge, but its kind of a haze as to how to get it patched to my liking, or change how the keys work, so they actually are efficent for me.
On the other hand though, JWM, with or without JWMKIT, is a lot easier, with or without the menus.
That being said, being able to change keybindings really easily is very helpful.
I actually at one point figured out how to use it exactly like i3-wm, in most ways, except I couldn't use double activation to start an app or logout, shutdown or suspend or reboot as easily.
Double activation being:
Alt Shift x would start, redshift for example or w/e
Although, it really didn't take long for me to figure out how to autostart apps when I log in.
Long story short, DWM = mega hard JWM = Only moderately hard even without the jwmkit
Besides, JWM is the lighest window manager I have found, that is actually useful like i3-wm but with a menu, also you yourself said JWM was lighter...
I have experienced something similar as well...
The mixer, the system actions of poweroff, reboot, logout and the ability to set keybindings with double requirements, just make this a really good addition.
Rant done
Either way, for me, the way I set it up, makes it even more useful then a DE.
But yeah, ask if you want my config... I can give it to you. If you want inspiration for making it awesome.
#738 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-01-19 15:57:03
I find it mega strange, that if JWM, is lighter than DWM, on cpu usage, ram usage and battery usage, that more people use DWM.
I say this more because, JWM is much, easier to use and can be used in a similar way, to both DWM and i3-wm, yet lighter on resources in general.
I wonder why this is. 
I must be missing something, otherwise this wouldn't be an enigma to me.
Well... either way, I appreciate your recent updates.
Curious though how efficient the newest stable will be though.
#739 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-01-17 01:44:52
A new stable release of JWM Kit is available. Version 20220113. Yep I'm stick with the date based version numbers. I like 'em.
Download packages for Arch and Debian based systems here:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/jwmkit/files/Packages/Source Releases is here:
https://codeberg.org/JWMKit/JWM_Kit/releasesSome may see this as a small update, but it is a big update for 2 groups of people.
1. SNDIO user. - Removes dependency on aucatctl, and improves SNDIO support.
2. jwm 2.4 user. - Supports the new default configuration location $HOME/.config/jwm/jwmrcPuppy Linux packages will come latter.
Once last thing. It's old news but some may have missed it. I have posted a collection of JWM Themes, and JWM Button-set on the JWM Kit sourceforge.
Instead of downloading them one by one, just grab the all_themes.zip, and all_buttons.zip to save time.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/jwmkit/files/
Thank you, been kind of out of it, but I appreciate this.
#740 Re: Off-topic » Ode to HoaS (and Sid) » 2021-12-10 07:33:16
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Isn't Sid gorgeous? And yes, she is so named because she is unstable
She's lovely for a cat-god-empress-of-the-world.
Not quite on the same level as my Nancy and Trudy though.
https://trisquel.info/files/IMG_20211122_105311553.jpg
Aww, how adorable...
I bet they are very friendly little birds.
I also have a feeling you probably pick them up every now and then.
#741 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2021-12-02 02:45:08
zapper wrote:I found a new method for web browser stuff for Hyperbola, its called badwolf + hblock!
https://github.com/hectorm/hblock
I modified /etc/hosts and use it to block as many ads as possible...
I should add, you can modify hblock to add or remove filterlists as long as they are in raw format.
Hope this helps someone who wants to escape the bs of modern web browsers.
Wow, this is fantastic zapper! Takes all the manual labor out of constantly updating those adblock files. Awesome, thanks!
I thought so too, it is very useful, isn't it...
This is what helped somewhat:
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/hyperbol … ent-163084
It was good advice, because if not for that, I would have never looked for an answer within github, etc...
#742 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2021-12-01 09:58:27
"As I said around a year ago (?), there is little difference between that project's attitude with regards to trademarks and mozilla's, except mozilla have better people skills.
As I also said around the same time - all browsers are shit, along with the WWW itself. My philosophy is simple: I pick the best of a bad lot, then configure it to my needs. what I avoid doing is going "window shopping" for browser forks, where there are all kinds of claims and boasts and it really amounts to little more than customisations you could do yourself and a fancy logo and different name...
At the moment, though chromium is more secure, telemetry/harvesting of data and privacy is a bigger issue there, so I use firefox - even though I dislike many things they have done recently."
I found a new method for web browser stuff for Hyperbola, its called badwolf + hblock!
https://github.com/hectorm/hblock
I modified /etc/hosts and use it to block as many ads as possible...
I disagree on the security of chromium, due to the many leaks, but you are free to believe what you wish...
I should add, you can modify hblock to add or remove filterlists as long as they are in raw format.
Hope this helps someone who wants to escape the bs of modern web browsers.
#743 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2021-12-01 09:52:51
@zapper
The code for sndioctl is complete, but no release has been made since the changes were completed. I guess you knew that though. I'll probably make a new stable release after I make some of the changes needed for 2.4. Sorry for not rushing out a new release. I understand sndio users see this as an important update, but I must balance my work load and more releases mean more work handling those releases and less time developing of the actual software.Also zapper, I must apologize for failing to respond to the message you posted on codeberg concerning this. I was not ignoring you. It was just a matter of being involved in too many things at one time.
No worries, I just was waiting for some response, thank you though, I appreciate it.
#744 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM KIT love fest » 2021-11-26 12:14:20
Hello everyone. Sorry I've been so quite lately. Life is busy. I am aware of the new JWM 2.4 release and do plan to update JWM Kit to reflect the recent changes. The change that concerned me most from the release notes was this:
- Added ~/.config/jwm/jwmrc as the new default location for per-user configuration
I was afraid this may break JWM Kit as it gathers data from the old location. I have compiled JWM 2.4 on Devuan and tested it and the good news is it does seem to use the old location as a fallback. This means that JWM Kit should continue to work, and from my small amount of testing it appears to work well. In the future JWM Kit will support using the new default location, but it is good to know that the current version still works and there is no need for a rushed release to fix this. Especially since I am very busy right now.
If any of you are using/testing this new version of JWM I would love to hear your experience. If you find anything that does not work correctly with JWM Kit let me know. Thanks.
I am not sure, haven't used it yet, but wondered when the sndioctl change will be added to jwmkit, to not require aucatctl + stable release...
I think you did half of that, but the second part isn't done yet right?
Either way, I don't blame you for being occupied, its the holidays...
Aka, you haven't added those changes to a stable release yet...
#745 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 21:43:42
I am familiar with Arch packaging. My instructions in post #9 should work.
See https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_B … _using_Git for a quick way to checkout the Firefox PKGBUILD from the Arch repositories.
Only problem is Hyperbola has no rust, with which to build it from... 
Also, glibc version from Hyperbola is too old to work with any builds from Arch.
#746 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 21:20:04
You won't be able to run a Devuan binary in Hyperbola. The ABI will be different and the sonames won't match.
hmm...
huh...
I may just need to talk to one of my hyperbola buddies, he seems to know how to do stuff like this, I reckon I will have to wait for him.
Perhaps this is too complicated for me on my own... oh well...
I was going to build with ./mach package after build succeeded, but oh well.
Edit: I guess I should have had the title say from Devuan. That was more what I meant...
#747 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 21:14:17
here's what I did. from git,
installing firefox from git archived : /home/glenn/local/archive/src/apt/SOURCES/firefox-93.0.tar.bz2 cd /opt wget https://download-installer.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/93.0/linux-x86_64/en-US/firefox-93.0.tar.bz2 tar xfj firefox-93.0.tar.bz2 /opt/firefox/firefox remove the old firefox links mv /usr/bin/firefox /usr/bin/firefoxold or after backup of bookmarks and passwordz apt remove firefox-esr create new link ln -s /opt/firefox/firefox /usr/bin/firefoxWorks for me, I hope it works for you.
I have no idea what this is...
I am trying to compile firefox with a modified config to be more secure and not require dbus, so I can use it on Hyperbola.
Also, with alsa support and no libpulse dependency, etc...
This doesn't make sense to me
Can you explain?
#748 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 21:04:01
"Look in the debian directory inside the firefox-esr source, the browser.mozconfig.in file is the one you want."
I had thought that as well, but it still seems to not pass on my changes, which is very weird imo.
#749 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 20:43:06
zapper wrote:[how the hell do I get the ./mach build to use the mozconfig changes I made?
Follow the instructions on the BLFS page to which I linked.
Or just add a line to the PKGBUILD prepare() function and run makepkg -sri to build and install the custom package if you're doing this from Hyperbola.
I was using the apt source version from devuan, I am a bit confused and kind of annoyed... also, I am using devuan currently to build.
Also, I should add for more info, all I really need is to know which mozconfig, etc.. to modify to add my changes.
#750 Re: Off-topic » Anyone know how to compile firefox from source from Devuan? » 2021-11-13 20:33:50
The .js preferences files work with any version of FF. You don't have to compile a custom version to use them.
That is good, but tell me something, how the hell do I get the ./mach build to use the mozconfig changes I made?
It keeps doing the same old crap, no matter what I do.
It effectively acts like I changed nothing! Its kind of infuriating...
Very much so...
I mean, all I want is to do things a specific way, and to compile with less than 4 cores, and the damn thing refuses to accept my config for building.
This is my mozconfig in, browser/config/mozconfig
It feels almost like the devuan/debian build is meant to sabotage modifications... unless I am mistaken...
but yeah, its annoying.
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