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#701 Re: Off-topic » Is wayland the new systemd ? » 2022-07-08 07:02:11
Actually, I think wayland is the sytemd of display protocols...
I should have said this before...
But yeah, I agree with that comment that the devo that blog made.
Unless corporations want their systems to get fried by every malevolent hacker under the sun...
Given the buggy nature, just overloading the system should be enough to crash it...
I highly doubt malevolent hackers couldn't break that.
I guess whoever made wayland can congratulate itself on making something as bad as systemd in stability...
meh...
#702 Re: ARM Builds » Inquiriing, about router usage, » 2022-07-08 06:35:19
Small updatre on this, wondering,
what hardware parts are absolutely needed, for rockpro64 to work
Anyone have an answer?
Thanks in advance and also, sorry to have revive this thread, been occupied like a lot...
#703 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2022-07-08 06:29:59
I didn't suspect this, to be honest...
I knew redhat was trying to
Embrace
Extend
Take Full Control
I just didn't know that Lennart had sunk that low from a while back...
Man is that just plain...
cold, even for him...
That being said, it is also possible, that redhat didn't give a damn if he did.
Given their ways of messing with the distro ecosystem as a whole.
Whether you consider it GNU/Linux or Linux...
So... yeah, this doesn't surprise me, at all.
EDIT: well, except the part about him working for microsoft since a while ago.
Surprised he didn't work for google instead, to be honest...
xD
#704 Re: Installation » alternatives to Mozilla's and Chomethings » 2022-06-19 16:15:31
czeekaj wrote:I see there is a iceweasel package. I opted to use that.
Although i see no real change between firefox-esr. It's still in the repo so I use it instead.That's because the current iceweasel is a transitional package which loads the firefox-esr deb as a 'required dependency'.
Or in other words: Iceweasel *is* Firefox-ESR
Sigh. See e.g. https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/pack … -1~deb10u1
Huh, I thought most debian AND devuan users knew this
Meh, w/e lol.
Seems palemoon finally got back on track...
Someone who was a part of the team was forced out of it due to them going bonkers...
A "core dev" left...
This had happened a few months prior, but I never saw reason to mention about this here...
As good as badwolf is, it still needs ublock origin like functionality or better.
And something even more effective then both versions of noscript combined, before I could use it again.
Then I will probably do so again...
Especially if bookmarks are added.
Till then, I will do what I think works best. 
#705 Re: ARM Builds » Inquiriing, about router usage, » 2022-06-19 16:07:29
@Headonastick
>No bluetooth support
>No MALI needed
Sounds good, now if only the distro world could drop bluetooth and other insecurity crap and stuff with the "trademark redhat bloatware seal of approval"
Probably not happening for a while, but maybe if other alternatives crop up, that are better, it won't matter.
(Including Devuan)
Anywho, peace!
#706 Re: ARM Builds » Inquiriing, about router usage, » 2022-06-18 02:44:05
"Lots. OpenBSD's install71.iso will happily run in QEMU with only 128MiB of RAM. Devuan's chimaera netinstall ISO image won't even start with so little memory available.
OpenBSD is the absolute best choice for a router IMO. Accept no substitute. And don't install any ports. Base system ftw!
EDIT: and arm64 is particularly good because the OpenBSD developers have managed to remove almost all ROP gadgets:
https://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2019-rop-paper.pdf"
Response to @headonastick
I had a feeling bloatware in linux even on a minimal system would be bad on most arm64 supported distros...
Btw,
>Optional 802.11ac with Bluetooth 5.0 expansion module
I don't like bluetooth, for some obvious reasons, insecurity and its supposedly hazardous in other ways...
Does OpenBSD disable it by default? Also, I thought 802.11ac requires an insecurity blob to use...
Or has OpenBSD figured out a way to reverse engineer it to where it is harmless/works without any non-free blobs. In this case, I mean a freedom sense as a whole.
Oh and btw:
Is a wifi card needed in an OpenBSD router, I think it does probably right? I know this might sound very stupid to ask though.
I assume the MALI isn't needed for a router?
And, how do I connect to the device, to make wifi zones and then of course, connect other devices to them.
Btw, I assume you don't connect this to a modem directly right?
I think that sums up my other questions...
#707 ARM Builds » Inquiriing, about router usage, » 2022-06-17 05:26:46
- zapper
- Replies: 6
there are two thoughts, however:
wondering if its possible to do something similar to this on a pinebook single board device:
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/example1.html
The general principle, is very much the same, using it for a router aka.
I might consider doing it a different way, aka, using actual OpenBSD, except, I don't know the level of support for open source drivers/firmware to know, if there are non-free drivers required for ARM64 boards such as ROCK64, ROCK64Pro, etc...
Thus, I will also ask, how much, bloatware does Devuan use in the situation of a router by default?
This is kind of a mixed question, regarding the topic, but yeah...
Point being. librecmc is becoming tiresome and openwrt and others, don't feel right to me.
Hope this helps you all understand what I am seeking info on.
Thank you.
#708 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-04-23 05:38:55
Didn't work much last I checked, but thankfully, seems the whole UXP situation has been fixed, so I don't need abrowser anymore...
Thank God...
Seems a problem was lifted recently...
#709 Re: Off-topic » Is wayland the new systemd ? » 2022-04-17 12:49:21
The amount of shilling for Wayland is preposterous, particularly by those who use distros without Systemd. I also think that D-Bus, Polkit (formerly PolicyKit), GVfs, Avahi, and PulseAudio being forced onto essential packages is every bit as bad. I remove what I can before ending up with a broken, unusable system (especially in D-Bus' case). Even things like Elogind are not what I desire, but it is what it is.
I can't speak for everyone, but I dislike the following;
dbus
systemd
pulseaudio
avahi
networkmanager
logind
polkit
pipewire
wayland
java
rust
pam
bloatware in general...
Hence why I usually don't use devuan and instead use Hyperbola which finally removed all this crud,
Actually, xorg and wayland while both being bad, have an alternative, its called xenocara.
The only problem being, the linux devs seem to be shrooming more and more with their designs.
I think microsoft, apple, google, etc are all indeed disasters and have evil intentions, but...
I honestly think redhat has changed the game even more...
I think its no longer EEE as a plan,
I think it is now, EETFC
Embrace
Extend
Take Full Control
I wouldn't be surprised if that is redhat's plan at this juncture... even more so with IBM being in the mix, aka owning redhat now...
Btw, if I recall correctly, xenocara already does a few things wayland does, regarding being a rootless xorg and in the case of OpenBSD, privledge separation..
I don't really get why people shill for anything redhat makes in general though.
There are alternatives that don't force crap down people's throats, ya know?
Besides, gnome3 and its forks are bloated beyond words, in fact the only desktop environment not bloated its lumina desktop.
But as always, I will use jwm, till I feel like there is something lighter that has the same feature set.
#710 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-18 01:43:18
Seems you've forgotten this is a GNUinOS - Libre thread not a Trisquel thread.
Yeah, sorry bout that, I was making mention of this, because I wondered if I could put Abrowser on Devuan/Gnuinos
But that probably is not relevant enough due to the amount of odd stuff on this thread... my bad...
#711 Re: Devuan » Donation bombed » 2022-03-18 01:41:53
I think that zapper and andyprough should create their own forum where they can try to outdo each other's nonsense. Please stop wasting Devuan resources on irrelevant babble.
Actually, my point about minifree having a paypal hate page once, was to point out that paypal is a really bad corporation and that's why they require a phone number if I had to guess.
Here is a thought as to why:
https://news.slashdot.org/story/22/01/1 … -and-funds
No idea why you choose to criticize my nonsense on this thread, this is actually on topic.
My point is, that they are an unethicial company and unethical companies like to have people's phone numbers.
But okay, I will go for now...
#712 Re: Devuan » Donation bombed » 2022-03-18 01:34:05
torquebar wrote:I tried to make a small donation but the form wanted my phone number and that's something I would even give to mother Theresa :-)
I just investigated the options HERE and it seems that credit card donations are going through PayPal (yuck) and the the form does indeed ask for a phone number. Is that the option you tried? I don't know if it's always been that way but I can ask the folks at dyne if they are aware it is set up that way. That web page hasn't been changed in a long time. PayPal might have changed their procedure or someone would have probably mentioned it before.
This wouldn't surprise me, minifree.org used to have a paypal hate page...
Supposedly they are the most abusive way of paying for things online.
#713 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-18 01:28:55
zapper wrote:Something interesting has happened of late... I don't know why, but I cannot enter their forums, only 7 possibilities exist I imagine:
1: They blocked my IP address
2: They only let members view the forum now
3: Trisquel has finally died... -_- Not sure if this will do any good for anyone...
4: They have been hacked
5: Their forums website is buggy right now
6: They are blocking certain useragents
7: Something elseNone of the above. It's this:
8. They are moving the forum to a new software and server, and it is currently down during the transition.
So... something else
That was option 7.
Although, I didnt think that was it, for sure... good to know though!
Btw, do you know how to get alsa working in for it in devuan? I doubt you can with dbus requirement removed, especially for Hyperbola, but I don't use alsa or pipewire.
As a heads up!
Thanks though, I am surprised they didn't put a notification about this anywhere on the current website, but ah well, it least I know now why.
#714 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2022-03-18 01:23:08
Ah, I wondered if you were still around, I wasn't sure if you left for good or not.
I looked at this thread of yours once, on your website, the first comment to you was rude for sure but some of it made sense,
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/2021/0 … mment-form
I was with him somewhat until this nonsense that he spewed in his comment:
"And another thing, increasing RAM is valid for any computer instead of your useless argument of planet resources or that 64 bits are the devil. You really suck."
Planet resources dying is an extremely huge problem, you almost wonder if having a bunch of huge data collection corporations that waste massive amounts of water, for the sake of so called protection of national security might be a probem... that being said, 64 bit is not at all a problem if people would use some common sense in the design.
Hmm...
I wonder...
Not that ram has to be a problem, its just that efficiency is not valued enough on making all technology work efficiently.
Controlling everything seems to be many times more times important in tech sector, which may very well destroy the planet at some point.
Even Debian, has a lot of this, it is though at least good they have become more reasonable, but yeah, that person who replied to you, has an ego that makes me shiver.
#715 Re: Devuan » Donation bombed » 2022-03-18 00:54:27
That is very, very bizzare... I didn't think Devuan had that kind of policy... super weird...
Unless you were being manipulated by some adversary online...
Sounds unlikely though even if you were using chromium.
Very weird indeed...
#716 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-18 00:42:03
zapper wrote:andyprough wrote:Just a note that the latest Chimeara and Daedalus ISO's have been uploaded over the past couple of weeks, presumably by @aitor. Very much appreciated, I am downloading and installing now.
Yep, I knew this like a month ago... sorry, I thought you did too.
That being said, updates have been somewhat problematic. I think he needs to make a libre version of librewolf, ironic? yes, but it has better settings by default anyhow.
Also, icecat is too outdated/slow, to be any use...
I wish this wasn't the case, but it is.
Trisquel's abrowser is basically the constantly updated version of Icecat - anyone can install it on Devuan/GNUinOS with MagicBanana's little script: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/state-we … ent-164779
For 32-bit Devuan/GNUinOS, just make one small change to the script as I describe here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/state-we … ent-165331
GNUinOS webpage warns us not to add outside repos, but I think in the case of abrowser we are OK because we are apt pinning all of Trisquel's other packages not to install.
Something interesting has happened of late... I don't know why, but I cannot enter their forums, only 7 possibilities exist I imagine:
1: They blocked my IP address
2: They only let members view the forum now
3: Trisquel has finally died... -_- Not sure if this will do any good for anyone...
4: They have been hacked
5: Their forums website is buggy right now
6: They are blocking certain useragents
7: Something else
I originally thought of three, but I think these are all possible, but honestly, I think 1 and 2 and 4 are the most likely... unless they are working on their website...
More to the point, I cannot see any thread on their website... within their forums, it all looks blank, its just rather...
Weird...
I will put it simply, as... 0 posts or threads on each category super weird. Point being, something doesn't seem right...
#717 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2022-03-09 20:12:19
Hi again
With the above reasons Devuan is not meant for you. So go and look somewhere else. Stop trolling, please.
Have a nice day
Lars H
To be honest, I kind of miss that troll, he was amusing, albeit, not always.
Meh, welp, easy come, easy go, it seems.
#718 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-09 20:05:24
Just a note that the latest Chimeara and Daedalus ISO's have been uploaded over the past couple of weeks, presumably by @aitor. Very much appreciated, I am downloading and installing now.
Yep, I knew this like a month ago... sorry, I thought you did too.
That being said, updates have been somewhat problematic. I think he needs to make a libre version of librewolf, ironic? yes, but it has better settings by default anyhow.
Also, icecat is too outdated/slow, to be any use...
I wish this wasn't the case, but it is.
#719 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 17:19:24
zapper wrote:[edited]
But until there is an organic way to block covid-19 . . .
Dream on . . . the next oopsie will likely be worse because humans never learn.
Sadly, its not always possible if you want to remain healthy.
Yes, many have no choice.
Unless you are extremely careful and in some ways, blessed not to catch it ever.
So... its extremely difficult.
Yes, this is true for 99.9% of the population. But if I am not mingling in society (for which I have little use), the risk of getting COVID is extremely low.
Take a deep breath . . . Let's stop the COVID nonsense here. Please . . .
To your first point, you are right, because corporations will probably fight to make that as hard as possible.
To your second point, that is wise to stay far away from society.
To your third point, I mean its not nonsense, but I guess we can drop the subject from here on out.
Not like I am going to change people's minds...
So... yeah...
Stay safe and don't die.
Also, side note, to your first point also, yeah... humanity has massive problems with perceived ideas, even if the perception seems right to them, it could be completely false.
Brainwashing is a thing... I consider it to be prevelant throughout politics, one party is worse imo and you know which it is, but both are very bad currently.
But as I listed above, this probably won't change anyones mind, so w/e
#720 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 04:39:33
Do you really want to go there?
MiyoLinux wrote:Seriously?
Yes
1. Why do you wear a mask?
Just because it's the latest fashion statement . . .
2. What type of mask do you wear?
KN95
3. Have you been vaccinated?
No, no and never
4. If so, why?
I've spent the last 25 years vocally opposing genetic modification in any form. It would be unthinkable. Why would I jeopardize my good health? This isn't much incentive . . .
5. If you have been vaccinated (I have by the way), do you understand what the vaccine covers?
I know that Moderna's and Pfizer's asses have been covered by immunity for damages from their little experiment.
6. What type of mask are you wearing?
Short term memory problems?
And... you lost me...
Masks are good for blocking covid-19, don't get me wrong...
But until there is an organic way to block covid-19, which I really think will take a long time, especially because of *cough big *cough pharma *cough plus *cough their * cough dumb *cough patents *cough
Putting emphasis on how idiotic patents are in general, especially for stuff that humans need to stay alive, etc...
Anything found in nature, used to save lives, treat a aliment or ingested, or used on a person, should NEVER ever be under any restrictions of patents.
It's just plain stupid.
But all that being said, until this happens, we are stuck with Moderna or some other vaccine... which btw, if you can, avoid Pfizer's.
Moderna seems to be the one so far that has the least problems... especially with certain versions of covid-19.
Although, I try to avoid gmos whenever possible and crappy ingredients in general...
Sadly, its not always possible if you want to remain healthy.
Unless you are extremely careful and in some ways, blessed not to catch it ever.
So... its extremely difficult.
Haven't gotten it yet myself, but I prefer to air on caution despite the problems with GMO crap.
At least till a better option arrives.
Very Important side note btw:
I hope you don't regret not getting vaccinated, too many people have died due to this virus.
Which btw, will never disappear, thanks to the freedom ___----- people
Btw, for the antivaxxers if any exist here:
Your freedom ends where mine starts, aka, if I don't want your virus, it is my right!
Meaning, mask up or get the vaccine or both and don't be a self indulgent jackass...
I swear, people these days, have lost their sense of sanity and think their freedom means being able to force their bs ideals on everyone else as well as restricting their dissenters/enemies.
Madness... pure madness.
Btw, this is not all directed at you Golinux, just up until the freedom ___----- people.
Btw, if your wondering why I did this:
___-----
Think of someone who is the butt of jokes and then realize, that the ___ is 3 letters, and the ----- is 5 letters...
You get the idea...
#721 Re: Devuan » Something strange happens to OpenRC after upgrade to Chimaera » 2022-02-22 02:27:58
I was going to say never had a problem with openrc before even when Chimaera came out, but I just read more carefully...
But anyways...
I wonder what changed since Beowulf to cause such an issue to the op...
Hmm...
Aka:
Kubernetes
Btw, never used the light version or the other one.
Also, looked it up, not sure what would be a good replacement even looking it up on wikipedia.org...
#722 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Linux Mint Devuan Edition? » 2022-02-22 02:18:20
zapper wrote:This idea probably died, but to be honest, don't see much use of such a thing, even despite how terrible ubuntu can be according to some of their moral issues, a mint devuan clone, seems kind of pointless too...
Correction. Not Ubuntu.
"LMDE is a Linux Mint project which stands for "Linux Mint Debian Edition". Its goal is to ensure Linux Mint can continue to deliver the same user experience if Ubuntu was ever to disappear."
I know its not ubuntu silly, I spoke of ubuntu, merely because, they focus on making linux mint in any form user friendly, last I checked.
To be honest, I really don't know why they don't ditch the ubuntu base in the first place.
Wasn't Ubuntu the first distro, to get hit with that huge malware problem?
PPA issues aka...
https://ubuntu.forumming.com/question/1 … comment-21
One reason why ppas are a problem.
Edit: this is one huge example:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/s … epository/
Even worse:
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/l … nap-store/
lol...
#723 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 02:08:51
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:Right back at you golinux. Perhaps with some social distancing though
Of course. I'm still masking up when I venture into the world . . . which isn't often . . . .
Very wise, its good to know that Wisdom exists still in this world.
#724 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Question about portable drives for persistent live installations: » 2022-02-21 20:40:09
Erm, I don't know. I have an X201 but I don't have any portable NVMe SSDs. Sorry.
Hmm... that's not good...
Can you find any evidence of anyone having connected a NVME to a usb 3,1, on a thinkpad that is older than 2013?
Searching now...
#725 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Question about portable drives for persistent live installations: » 2022-02-21 20:09:25
SSD longevity is very good these days, they may even outlast spinning rust drives now.
My ThinkPad P14s Gen 2a NVMe drive has had ~6TB of writes and reports itself as 1% used in respect of total lifetime:
alpine:~$ doas nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0n1 | grep 'percentage\|write' percentage_used : 1% host_write_commands : 66812355 alpine:~$See also https://techreport.com/review/27909/the … -all-dead/ ← and that's almost seven years old now so current drives should be even better.
zapper wrote:good for linux hardware
There shouldn't be compatibility problems for any hard drives. The firmware exposes the same interface regardless of manufacturer AFAIK.
Let me ask you then, can you connect a portable nvme solid state drive to a 2012 thinkpad, such as T430 or X230?
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