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#701 Re: Devuan » Donation bombed » 2022-03-18 01:34:05

golinux wrote:
torquebar wrote:

I tried to make a small donation but the form wanted my phone number and that's something I would even give to mother Theresa :-)

I just investigated the options HERE and it seems that credit card donations are going through PayPal (yuck) and the the form does indeed ask for a phone number. Is that the option you tried?  I don't know if it's always been that way but I can ask the folks at dyne if they are aware it is set up that way.  That web page hasn't been changed in a long time. PayPal might have changed their procedure or someone would have probably mentioned it before.

This wouldn't surprise me, minifree.org used to have a paypal hate page...

Supposedly they are the most abusive way of paying for things online.

#702 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-18 01:28:55

andyprough wrote:
zapper wrote:

Something interesting has happened of late... I don't know why, but I cannot enter their forums, only 7 possibilities exist I imagine:
1: They blocked my IP address
2: They only let members view the forum now
3: Trisquel has finally died... -_- Not sure if this will do any good for anyone...
4: They have been hacked
5: Their forums website is buggy right now
6: They are blocking certain useragents
7: Something else

None of the above. It's this:
8. They are moving the forum to a new software and server, and it is currently down during the transition.

So... something else

That was option 7.

Although, I didnt think that was it, for sure... good to know though!

Btw, do you know how to get alsa working in for it in devuan? I doubt you can with dbus requirement removed, especially for Hyperbola, but I don't use alsa or pipewire.

As a heads up! 

Thanks though, I am surprised they didn't put a notification about this anywhere on the current website, but ah well, it least I know now why.

smile

#703 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2022-03-18 01:23:08

Ah, I wondered if you were still around, I wasn't sure if you left for good or not.

I looked at this thread of yours once, on your website, the first comment to you was rude for sure but some of it made sense,
http://qgqlochekone.blogspot.com/2021/0 … mment-form

I was with him somewhat until this nonsense that he spewed in his comment:

"And another thing, increasing RAM is valid for any computer instead of your useless argument of planet resources or that 64 bits are the devil. You really suck."

Planet resources dying is an extremely huge problem, you almost wonder if having a bunch of huge data collection corporations that waste massive amounts of water, for the sake of so called protection of national security might be a probem... that being said, 64 bit is not at all a problem if people would use some common sense in the design.

Hmm...

I wonder...

wink

Not that ram has to be a problem, its just that  efficiency is not valued enough on making all technology work efficiently.

Controlling everything seems to be many times more times important in tech sector, which may very well destroy the planet at some point.

Even Debian, has a lot of this, it is though at least good they have become more reasonable, but yeah, that person who replied to you, has an ego that makes me shiver.

sad

#704 Re: Devuan » Donation bombed » 2022-03-18 00:54:27

That is very, very  bizzare... I didn't think Devuan had that kind of policy... super weird...

Unless you were being manipulated by some adversary online...

Sounds unlikely though even if you were using chromium.

Very weird indeed...

#705 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-18 00:42:03

andyprough wrote:
zapper wrote:
andyprough wrote:

Just a note that the latest Chimeara and Daedalus ISO's have been uploaded over the past couple of weeks, presumably by @aitor. Very much appreciated, I am downloading and installing now.

Yep, I knew this like a month ago... sorry, I thought you did too.

That being said, updates have been somewhat problematic.  I think he needs to make a libre version of librewolf, ironic? yes, but it has better settings by default anyhow.

Also, icecat is too outdated/slow, to be any use...

I wish this wasn't the  case, but it is.

Trisquel's abrowser is basically the constantly updated version of Icecat - anyone can install it on Devuan/GNUinOS with MagicBanana's little script: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/state-we … ent-164779

For 32-bit Devuan/GNUinOS, just make one small change to the script as I describe here: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/state-we … ent-165331

GNUinOS webpage warns us not to add outside repos, but I think in the case of abrowser we are OK because we are apt pinning all of Trisquel's other packages not to install.

Something interesting has happened of late... I don't know why, but I cannot enter their forums, only 7 possibilities exist I imagine:
1: They blocked my IP address
2: They only let members view the forum now
3: Trisquel has finally died... -_- Not sure if this will do any good for anyone...
4: They have been hacked
5: Their forums website is buggy right now
6: They are blocking certain useragents
7: Something else

I originally thought of three, but I think these are all possible,  but honestly, I think 1 and 2 and 4 are the most likely... unless they are working on their website...

More to the point, I cannot see any thread on their website...  within their forums, it all looks blank, its just rather...

Weird...

I will put it simply, as... 0 posts or threads on each category super weird.  Point being, something doesn't seem right...

#706 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2022-03-09 20:12:19

larsH wrote:

Hi again

With the above reasons Devuan is not meant for you. So go and look somewhere else. Stop trolling, please.

Have a nice day
Lars H

To be honest, I kind of miss that troll, he was amusing, albeit, not always.

Meh, welp, easy come, easy go, it seems.

#707 Re: Devuan Derivatives » GNUinOS - Libre » 2022-03-09 20:05:24

andyprough wrote:

Just a note that the latest Chimeara and Daedalus ISO's have been uploaded over the past couple of weeks, presumably by @aitor. Very much appreciated, I am downloading and installing now.

Yep, I knew this like a month ago... sorry, I thought you did too.

That being said, updates have been somewhat problematic.  I think he needs to make a libre version of librewolf, ironic? yes, but it has better settings by default anyhow.

Also, icecat is too outdated/slow, to be any use...

I wish this wasn't the  case, but it is.

#708 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 17:19:24

golinux wrote:
zapper wrote:

[edited]

But until there is an organic way to block covid-19 . . .

Dream on . . . the next oopsie will likely be worse because humans never learn.

Sadly, its not always possible if you want to remain healthy.

Yes, many have no choice.

Unless you are extremely careful and in some ways, blessed not to catch it ever.

So... its extremely difficult.

Yes, this is true for 99.9% of the population. But if I am not mingling in society (for which I have little use), the risk of getting COVID is extremely low.

Take a deep breath . . . Let's stop the COVID nonsense here.  Please . . .

To your first point, you are right, because corporations will probably fight to make that as hard as possible.

To your second point, that is wise to stay far away from society.

To your third point, I mean its not nonsense, but I guess we can drop the subject from here on out.

Not like I am going to change people's minds...

So... yeah...

Stay safe and don't die.

Also, side note, to your first point also, yeah... humanity has massive problems with perceived ideas, even if the perception seems right to them, it could be completely false.

Brainwashing is a thing... I consider it to be prevelant throughout politics, one party is worse imo and you know which it is, but both are very bad currently.

But as I listed above, this probably won't change anyones mind, so w/e

#709 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 04:39:33

golinux wrote:

Do you really want to go there?

MiyoLinux wrote:

Seriously?

Yes

1. Why do you wear a mask?

Just because it's the latest fashion statement . . .

2. What type of mask do you wear?

KN95

3. Have you been vaccinated?

No, no and never

4. If so, why?

I've spent the last 25 years vocally opposing genetic modification in any form. It would be unthinkable. Why would I jeopardize my good health?   This isn't much incentive . . .

5. If you have been vaccinated (I have by the way), do you understand what the vaccine covers?

I know that Moderna's and Pfizer's asses have been covered by immunity for damages from their little experiment.

6. What type of mask are you wearing?

Short term memory problems?  big_smile

And... you lost me...

Masks are good for blocking covid-19, don't get me wrong...

But until there is an organic way to block covid-19, which I really think will take a long time, especially because of *cough big *cough pharma *cough plus *cough their * cough dumb *cough patents *cough

Putting emphasis on how idiotic patents are in general, especially for stuff that humans need to stay alive, etc...

Anything found in nature, used to save lives, treat a aliment or ingested, or used on a person, should NEVER ever be under any restrictions of patents. 

It's just plain stupid.

But all that being said, until this happens, we are stuck with Moderna or some other vaccine... which btw, if you can, avoid Pfizer's.

Moderna seems to be the one so far that has the least problems... especially with certain versions of covid-19.

Although, I try to avoid gmos whenever possible and crappy ingredients in general...

Sadly, its not always possible if you want to remain healthy.

Unless you are extremely careful and in some ways, blessed not to catch it ever.

So... its extremely difficult.

sad

Haven't gotten it yet myself, but I prefer to air on caution despite the problems with GMO crap.

At least till a better option arrives. wink

Very Important side note btw:

I hope you don't regret not getting vaccinated, too many people have died due to this virus.

Which btw, will never disappear, thanks to the freedom ___----- people

Btw, for the antivaxxers if any exist here:

Your freedom ends where mine starts, aka, if I don't want your virus, it is my right!

Meaning, mask up or get the vaccine or both and don't be a self indulgent jackass...

wink

I swear, people these days, have lost their sense of sanity and think their freedom means being able to force their bs ideals on everyone else as well as restricting their dissenters/enemies.

Madness... pure madness.

Btw, this is not all directed at you Golinux, just up until the freedom ___----- people.

Btw, if your wondering why I did this:

___-----

Think of someone who is the butt of jokes and then realize, that the ___ is 3 letters, and the ----- is 5 letters...

You get the idea...

tongue

#710 Re: Devuan » Something strange happens to OpenRC after upgrade to Chimaera » 2022-02-22 02:27:58

I was going to say never had a problem with openrc before even when Chimaera came out, but I just read more carefully...

wink

But anyways...

I wonder what changed since Beowulf to cause such an issue to the op...

Hmm...

Aka:

Kubernetes

Btw, never used the light version or the other one.

Also, looked it up, not sure what would be a good replacement even looking it up on wikipedia.org...

#711 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Linux Mint Devuan Edition? » 2022-02-22 02:18:20

golinux wrote:
zapper wrote:

This idea probably died, but to be honest, don't see much use of such a thing, even despite how terrible ubuntu can be according to some of their moral issues, a mint devuan clone, seems kind of pointless too...

Correction.  Not Ubuntu.

"LMDE is a Linux Mint project which stands for "Linux Mint Debian Edition". Its goal is to ensure Linux Mint can continue to deliver the same user experience if Ubuntu was ever to disappear."

I know its not ubuntu silly, I spoke of ubuntu, merely because, they focus on making linux mint in any form user friendly, last I checked.

wink

To be honest, I really don't know why they don't ditch the ubuntu base in the first place.

Wasn't Ubuntu the first distro, to get hit with that huge malware problem?

PPA issues aka...

wink

https://ubuntu.forumming.com/question/1 … comment-21

One reason why ppas are a problem.

Edit: this is one huge example:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/s … epository/

Even worse:

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/l … nap-store/

lol...

#712 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-22 02:08:51

golinux wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Right back at you golinux. Perhaps with some social distancing though tongue

Of course.  I'm still masking up when I venture into the world . . . which isn't often . . . .

Very wise, its good to know that Wisdom exists still in this world.

wink

#713 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Question about portable drives for persistent live installations: » 2022-02-21 20:40:09

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Erm, I don't know. I have an X201 but I don't have any portable NVMe SSDs. Sorry.

Hmm... that's not good...

Can you find any evidence of anyone having connected a NVME to a usb 3,1, on a thinkpad that is older than 2013?

Searching now...

#714 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Question about portable drives for persistent live installations: » 2022-02-21 20:09:25

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

SSD longevity is very good these days, they may even outlast spinning rust drives now.

My ThinkPad P14s Gen 2a NVMe drive has had ~6TB of writes and reports itself as 1% used in respect of total lifetime:

alpine:~$ doas nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0n1 | grep 'percentage\|write'
percentage_used				: 1%
host_write_commands			: 66812355
alpine:~$

See also https://techreport.com/review/27909/the … -all-dead/ ← and that's almost seven years old now so current drives should be even better.

zapper wrote:

good for linux hardware

There shouldn't be compatibility problems for any hard drives. The firmware exposes the same interface regardless of manufacturer AFAIK.

Let me ask you then, can you connect a portable nvme solid state drive to a 2012 thinkpad, such as T430 or X230?

#715 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Linux Mint Devuan Edition? » 2022-02-21 03:19:29

This idea probably died, but to be honest, don't see much use of such a thing, even despite how terrible ubuntu can be according to some of their moral issues, a mint devuan clone, seems kind of pointless too...

Beginners might like it sure, if it is done right, but the only thing different between mint and ubuntu, is that mint has somewhat better standards regarding stuff like snap packaging and other crappy things ubuntu does.

I think of it as a shiny version of ubuntu, that sucks just as much...

Mostly, because they have a stupid policy regarding certain codecs, etc...

Btw, Devuan and its derivatives, as well as my personal favorite, Hyperbola and OpenBSD, are all way better.

As long as they don't do any dumb bundling of crap, aka forcing certain non-free crap onto the install without a choice to say no...

wink

I make exception in this only to OpenBSD, cause that system has a bullseye on security.

They focus on it like an expert sniper focuses on killing its correct targets on the first shot...

smile

#716 Hardware & System Configuration » Question about portable drives for persistent live installations: » 2022-02-21 03:08:33

zapper
Replies: 5

Does anyone know what portable solid state drives are good for linux hardware?

One rule though:  NOT NVME

I say this, as I don't know their compatibility with old devices... wink

Aka,  Thinkpads from before 2013, wink

Need one that is durable, that can be connected to usb 3.0/3.1

Also, I plan to disk clone several partitions onto the same solid state drive and be able to boot whichever one I choose.

Needs to be consistently at the speed of 300MB or faster
Needs to be able to be stuffed in a small bag more or less
Optional, but it would be nice if it could be rewritten over 100000 times or more, meaning recloned...
Last thing of needed, want one that is 1TB or more...

smile

#717 Re: Off-topic » The seitan conundrum » 2022-02-21 02:55:10

golinux wrote:

Hoas . . . Wake up! There is no "data" that does not have confirmation bias because humans collect and interpret it.  Humans are quite selfish, deluded and unreliable creatures. Data is most often used as a weapon to manipulate and control populations to create fear (mostly of death) but also to increase desire. It is pure marketing genius.  Marshall McLuhan understood this decades ago.  It is a capitalist's wet dream . . .

I just live my life happily and ignore the farce of human stupidity.

This reminds me of my favorite idea of a commercial...

Capitalism! Is proudly sponsored by...

Sociopaths
Lemmings
Sheep
Nazis
Calvinists

Because what kind of person would support a system, that doesn't care about morality, but if the means to an end is achieved...

tongue

All of whom, don't really grasp their own foolishness, beyond even just this existence...

My point being...  The West in particular is destroying the world and its credibility when it comes to being wise at the same time...

So yeah... I agree with you... although for rather different reasons.

Humans have been and always will be, in need of some sort of savior in my opinion...

Otherwise, the destructive cycle would not only be perpetuated, but I am pretty sure it would have taken only a tiny fraction of the time that it has taken for the unhealthy emissions to do as much damage as they have done.

That being said, no government system by itself works 100% of the time...

A blend of ideas is needed... 

Too far to the right? Fascism is coming!

too far to the left?  Chaos is coming...

Although, I do think the only countries that come close to understanding balance, are European ones...

The socialism bogey man is no reason to go so far to the right, that you have something called Fascist Capitalism...

Crazy stuff there...

#718 Re: DIY » I am in need of a particular suspend+lock script » 2022-02-14 04:00:19

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

You could maybe you use the -killtime and -killer

Though I'm not sure what "warn for 30 minutes" means; warn repeatedly for 30 minutes?

I suppose eg a 5 minute killer could check the time since slock start, and warn or eventually call pm-suspend?

Basically, after it is locked, it warns for 30 minutes, doesn't undo the lock and then goes back to waiting 30 minutes over and over again, kind of thing...

If its ever idle for longer than the duration, it suspends.  and if you bring it back, aka, take it out of suspend and unlock it,

then it repeats from step 1.

Btw, by warn, I mean the screen turns a specific color, or a warning message appears with a timer before it suspends.

Something like that.

#719 Re: DIY » Script for starting application and picking random folder to do it in » 2022-02-14 03:56:43

In particular, there are two interests, loading certain .txt files via something like focuswriter or l3afpad

That's what I was thinking of at this time, though in the future idk?

#720 Re: Installation » The best init system » 2022-02-13 03:06:43

If s6-init becomes lighter than even runit,  maybe that?

If not, Runit is a good one.

Just need to learn how to use it better. Haven't felt the motivation as much to learn due to it being not finished on Hyperbola, but I use it alot on Devuan.

wink

Openrc is the probably the most userfriendly so far? I think?

If s6 is more user friendly and lighter on the system, meaning less battery power used, I may have more interest.

All that being said, currently runit is the fastest I have seen, and uses  the least ram and I think also CPU.

But if you want an easy one, do not use runit unless you look at how to use it and feel like you understand it enough.

Some apps need to autostart aka after you logout, others need to always be on and some should only be on when you want them on. 

Anywho my two cents.

#721 DIY » Script for starting application and picking random folder to do it in » 2022-02-13 03:02:06

zapper
Replies: 2

Basically, its like this thread:

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4380

Except, I want it to be able to function with more than just playing a random audio or video file.

Same conditions mostly apply, its for Hyperbola mostly. 

But if it works with Devuan too, cool!

smile

#722 DIY » I am in need of a particular suspend+lock script » 2022-02-13 02:58:54

zapper
Replies: 2

I have a way to deal with root problem aspect... aka doas...

But yeah,  I wondered if anyone knows how to make a python script that does something similar to the below:

I know how to do the first part, which is wait 30 minutes, then lock... xautolock + slock makes this possible... smile

The second part, I need help with however...

after it is locked, WARN for 30 minutes, then activate the part that suspends system...

This I have covered easily however...

Just part 2 eludes me at this time...

Btw, I want this to work with Hyperbola. smile

I hope that is okay...

Just to be clear, the 2nd part isn't an issue probably on Debian based distros anyhow, as far as I know. Just closing the lid seems to do that already.

#723 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-01-25 06:15:40

"I've noticed JWM (with or without JWM Kit) hardly uses more ram than a session without a window Manager or DE. Pretty amazing. I've also noticed that the memory usage can differ by a good percentage from one machine to another.  I've tracked this down to 2 things.

    A system with more memory automatically uses more memory for cache.

    At such low memory usage hardware driver account for a larger percent of the used RAM. Hardware affects which drivers get loaded and this affects memory usage."

Just going to focus on this part, for now... wink

That seems accurate to me as well.

It really doesn't add much of anything unless you choose to have other apps autostarted with JWM,

wink

I think for me at most, it adds like 10-20mb on my other laptop, but bare in mind, I have 16GB of RAM on that comp. xD

Although, it also depends on one thing, how many apps have been started before you check memory

free -m

like that in terminal

also, even if you close those particular apps, it still shows residual memory being used...

I have no idea why.

xD

That has been my experience anyways.

As ironic as it sounds, you just made the most KISS friendly low resource window manager, that isn't too complex and has the basic functionality I need into more usable, then Lumina Desktop. 

Kind of ironic, but I appreciate it alot.  smile

Edit: Also, it really doesn't add much extra ram usage either.

#724 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-01-23 05:26:47

JWM-Kit wrote:
zapper wrote:

Curious though how efficient the newest stable will be though.
smile

I expect a slight improvement of efficiency in the up coming stable, I doubt this will help system performance though since JWM Kit has always been designed to not run in the background and avoid execution when not need. In other words an improved JWM Kit will do little to improve performance if JWM Kit was not the cause of any performance issues to begin with.

The big difference will be JWM Kit Keys which is used to configure key binding. Keys is now 40% less code, lighter on resource while providing major interface improvements. To be clear that is Just the "Keys" tool not the whole kit. While their will be improvements to the rest of the kit it will not be as drastic.

While smaller code size does not always mean more efficient code, it is a good sign.  I'd like to point out that new packages are almost always smaller than the previous version despite the addition of features along with new or improved icons, etc. Of course I don't know how much longer I can keep that up, because simply put more features means more code. I've just managed to keep it down by refining the code every release.

As for the DWM vs JWM. I'm not a fan of Dynamic tiling. As Andy said "once you get used to  it." The deal is I don't get used to it. I think it's my vision. I don't want my screen divided in to smaller parts. I want what I"m looking at big and up front with the ability to float another window on top out of the way when needed.

To be fair to DWM I've not really used it. So who knows.  Maybe it gets tiling right for me.

I don't blame you, figuring out the keybindings and how to change them, gave me a massive headache. 

As for the efficiency, yeah that's a good point, it is already used for the most lightweight window manager with the basic functionality that is needed, with or without your tool.   Though your tool makes it way more useful + easier.

I probably made too many comments already... cutting it short, peace all!

#725 Re: Devuan Derivatives » JWM Kit Linux build 20210828 (WOW! What an improvement) » 2022-01-23 05:24:13

weedug wrote:

just stumbled across this. (thanks google) smile. It's fantastic. Thanks for sharing.

Indeed, I very much appreciate him making this as well, it is the lightest window manager I have seen yet, that has basic functionality akin to i3-wm or anything heavier without sucking at all.

You can of course check for yourself.

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