steve, most things redhat makes are on that level... I kid you not. dbus, is the hardest to remove that I know of.

Point being, the problems started before systemd even was conceived. I have learned this by web searches, chats, research, info, etc...

the fact that so many things depend on dbus and other irrelevant dependencies when better options exist, yet people choose to use these...

I mean dbus fingerprints your hardware id! What possible reason does this make any sense?

Aiye...

then there is pulseaudio, pipewire, avahi, etc...

Even if you don't use those programs, their libraries are still required to install most things on mainstream distros, even if the programs work without them just fine.

Devuan though not mainstream still has some of this.

Dependencies should always be required ones that are needed to make it function. If dependencies required is anything more than that, its a freedom breaker. Its the devs way of saying, "We want you to use this!"

Why should they have a say? Answer: They shouldn't.

I guess K.I.S.S has been abandoned by mainstream distros and even some derivatives.

Archlinux being the biggest hypocrite of the bunch...

Lightweight my ass.

Yeah, I am aware the last flash is a self-destructing one.

The best option honestly, for using flash, would be to make an open source version of it and make it work without needing adobe's second to last version.

Maybe if someone made an open source replacement it could be vastly less vulnerable to security issues when used with the open source version.

The only reason people cater to microsoft, is greed and stupidity...

Although, they mostly are a part of the same package.

Microsoft is the definition of:

Security? what's that? We just install a lot of backdoors in our system and when people complain we pretend they don't exist and mine their info despite the risk that we could kill the planet with our data centers!

And then we say, what could possibly go wrong like a bunch of greedy egomaniacs ...

When I heard Debian discontinued Debian 8, I said you better bring it back or I will make it come back even if it is a stretch, buster!

minor edit!

I saw miachel jackson's ghost yesterday, he appeared to be drinking something... I could tell it was him because he was white...

I find it amusing, as I said elsewhere, its like being a ghostwriter.

As for the necro-posting, I find that even more funny due to how absurd doing so is.

Not all of chromium is open source though.

The real solution would be to make all copyright and trademarks be required to be open source.

Hint, mozilla would hate this!

Despite their restrictive trademarks being useless except for the purposes of bullying people whom they disagree with if they screw up...

Rust especially is a good example of mozilla's bs.

Agreed!

Though in my opinion, some of them were meh, but some were extremely amusing.

False positives do occur by clamav supposedly,  but I don't think malware is in the debian repos. That sounds straight up nuts.

I could understand if people thought node, java or similar to have malware in it, or some of the linux frameworks that are heavily bloated, but even then, unixlike repos don't have the problems you described, at least 90% of the time anyhow.

Possibly less problematic if its a desktop/laptop and not a server.

The second is being updated more and is therefore more useful.

As for if I think there is a purpose, depends...

I would say, if people know of something that is on a megatools link, if they want it badly enough, then yes its useful

If not, yeah your right.

Not to mention, even XFCE4 and MATE, LXQT, etc... all are bright and shiny enough as it is. Most DEs have too many linux framework dependencies that aren't reasonable. Even Lumina looks semi flashy, but I could see myself using it at least...

CDE is a bit too dull for me, but I probably will mostly stick to the following:

JWM

Btw, I recently am now using startx to start some of my operating systems with. I have done so in Hyperbola, wondering if the same method works in devuan though.

Does this work for devuan:

        #!/bin/sh
        #
        # ~/.xinitrc
        #
        # Executed by startx (run your window manager from here)
        #
        # exec enlightenment_start
        # exec i3
        # exec awesome
        # exec bspwm
        # exec startfluxbox
        # exec openbox-session
        # exec pekwm
        # exec dwm
        # exec icewm-session
           exec jwm
        # exec notion
        # exec evilwm

And then when I press startx in a logged in user in terminal, it would start?

or adding startx to the bottom of  a .bash_profile  like this:

  GNU nano 5.2                      .bash_profile                      Modified 
#
# ~/.bash_profile
#

[[ -f ~/.bashrc ]] && . ~/.bashrc
startx && exit

Sorry if off topic, just curious.