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#26 Re: Other Issues » I seem to crash when I go to a certain website... » 2025-07-25 01:32:06

Yes, @tux_99, I read your post too hastily, and I thank you for your suggestion. My note about childish noise obviously doesn't apply to your offer.

The Devuan git store has had address block blocks a long time, and it does work to some extent. But as you would know, it's a method that requires constant monitoring and tuning, and that one can accept longish periods of seriously degraded service.

#27 Re: Other Issues » I seem to crash when I go to a certain website... » 2025-07-24 22:43:34

Yea we tried blocking IP addresses, but we stopped at some 50000 addresses blocked (60% ipv4 and 40% ipv6. A lot of effort and not effective.

Anyone with a viable solution may contribute. All else is just childish noise.

#28 Re: Other Issues » I seem to crash when I go to a certain website... » 2025-07-24 13:32:01

DDoS is an abbreviation for "Distributed Denial of Service". It is a label given to what happens when a "rouge actor" sets up a system where a large number of computers "hammers" a service with incessant networking, and the service gets bogged down so that it fails to provide service.

That is what git.devuan.org is suffering of; a constant such hammering is happening that is a magnitude or more larger than how it was just a year ago.

The Anubis front-end feature makes it possible for git.devuan.org to provide service.

Your input is without value unless you can provide an alternative solution.

#29 Re: Other Issues » I seem to crash when I go to a certain website... » 2025-07-24 06:31:31

Perhaps, rather than a string of negativity, you have a good solution for how to avoid the server being DDoSed by all today's crawlers?

#30 Re: Installation » Installation doesn't work » 2025-07-23 22:22:23

"Brought no result" is perhaps not too expressive.

Does this mean that you copied the ISO file onto the device as suggested? Could you please show the exact command you used when doing that?

Did you try booting in legacy mode as well as UEFI, and in both cases the console display stayed off?

It is quite peculiar (and unusual) that your system has such a hard time booting. You never told which CPU it is. And the machine assembly as a whole, is that a certain "brand" or is it your own assembly? What's the brand of the USB stick?

#31 Re: Installation » Installation doesn't work » 2025-07-22 14:42:36

Interesting. That method should indeed allow the EFI boot loader to start so you should have come to that initial bootloader menu. One reason for not getting there could be that the UEFI bios is particular about the EFI partition.

I think the easiest way for you would be that you go back and simply use 'cp' to copy the ISO onto the stick device, like so

cp iso /dev/sdc

if /dev/sdc is the stick device.
Then try with that.

The point is that your method will lead to failure later on anyhow, even if the bootloader gets started.

#32 Re: Installation » Installation doesn't work » 2025-07-22 09:36:27

Thanks. Peculiar. Which brand of computer is it? I mean, which hardware, especially which CPU.

How did you copy the Devuan installer image to the USB stick?

#33 Re: Installation » Installation doesn't work » 2025-07-21 12:29:19

I'm confused; what do you do leading to a black screen? Can you please try to describe all that happens after power on... what happens on the computer and what do you do (if anything). Is it just that you power it on but it stays with a black screen? (Though that wouldn't seem to indicate that something "loads").

#34 Re: Installation » Installation doesn't work » 2025-07-21 07:40:39

What does "and loads" mean?

Is "secure boot" is turned off?

#35 Re: Other Issues » I seem to crash when I go to a certain website... » 2025-07-20 23:26:47

Yeah; my reference is to your thread title: "I seem to crash when I go to a certain website..."

#36 Re: Other Issues » I seem to crash when I go to a certain website... » 2025-07-20 22:52:57

mmm a bit peculiar how you identify with the browser wink

Perhaps you have a good alternative of a means to stop the DDoS attacks from spiders and AI? It's a delicate balance to allowing such people that identify with their browsers whilst disallowing bot traffic.

#37 Re: Installation » apport package » 2025-07-20 22:35:19

dpkg -S apport/package-hooks

EDIT: What you're looking at could be classified as a technological remnant from a modular idea that packages would register their own hook for reporting their status into that apport report. I'm not sure why, but earlier this millennium there where ideas floating about cushioning the end-user with "services" so they could go happy without knowing what they were doing. We all know better than that nowadays, don't we?

#38 Re: Freedom Hacks » Patching on the fly with "stream editor" (fftrate ALSA plugin) » 2025-07-20 01:59:07

Thanks @igorzwx.

Your technical prowess is quite impressive. Though I'd say your attitude and due respect for colleagues and present audience has significant room for improvement.

#43 Re: Other Issues » Unable to connect to devuan laptop server on local network » 2025-07-08 21:19:44

It's a very peculiar bevhaiour; to me it seems near impossible that the laptop can be the cause of other systems not sending it messages. It will be interesting to hear if reinstallation makes a difference.

#44 Re: Other Issues » Unable to connect to devuan laptop server on local network » 2025-07-07 22:04:00

Right. One reason for that kind of effect is when different devices happen to share macaddress. But, does your latop invent new macaddress when it reboots? (I know that some people regard macaddresses to be part of the user's "online fingerprint" and therefore invent obfuscations that involve changing macaddress especially of their uplink interfaces)

Did you check whether arp messages are received on the laptop (from any problem device)? As you probably know the IP level messaging (such as icmp) involves prior "arp" messaging where devices "learn" the relationships between IP addresses and MAC addresses. The ping requestor and responder both need to fill their arp tables with such associations, though separately and individually, before being able to send their icmp messages.

If there is holdup at that level (or any kind of interference by the router in that messaging) then the effect is the one typically voiced as "machine A cannot ping machine B".

In the phone+frame cases you can only check the arp messaging on the laptop, and then focus on arp requests (about the laptop IP) from those devices. The laptop should receive them and should reply to them. Receiving and not replying puts the problem firmly at the laptop, whereas "not receiving" as well as "receiving and replying" puts the problem back onto the network.

#45 Re: Other Issues » Unable to connect to devuan laptop server on local network » 2025-07-07 06:03:03

Well, you did report the ping request going out from the laptop, and also arriving to the server, but there was no response message out from the server and in to the laptop. Other than for that I agree with you that it appears the Devuan installation on the laptop makes this happen. Especially since the laptop seems invisible to all other systems.

Let's try this experiment: with the laptop running Devuan doing ping -n 192.168.1.4, check both the icmp and arp messages on the server. There should at least be arp messages from the server where it attempts to determine the macaddress for the host having 192.168.1.17. You should then also at the same time check for arp messages to the laptop.

Make sure you get both IP addresses and mac addresses of all messages. And report them here.

Also, please include output of

sysctl net.ipv4.conf.all | grep arp

#46 Re: Other Issues » Unable to connect to devuan laptop server on local network » 2025-07-07 01:15:00

ok. I believe netbsd uses pf (maybe short for packet filter?) for firewalling... it's the same as iptables but totally different smile In particular, its commands are different, and as I remember pf are set up in a certain order, and the later rules override the earlier ones.

I'll have to browse a bit to be able to say things about it. However, it looks to me like the server (192.168.1.4) has firewall rules that blocks its traffic to the laptop (192.168.1.17). Unless it has some kernel flag(s) to stop it responding to icmp requests. I would guess netbsd has different commands for sysctl too(?)

#47 Re: Other Issues » Unable to connect to devuan laptop server on local network » 2025-07-06 05:09:57

Ok. That's good; the requests arrive at the server... where do its responses go?

Perhaps it's routing is off? Use ip r to check the default routing table... though if you have source based routing or something, the server might have many routing tables, and then you may need to use ip r show table all to see them all.

Note: that;s on the server and not the laptop.

#48 Re: Other Issues » Unable to connect to devuan laptop server on local network » 2025-07-06 00:43:45

no that's not ping reqeust or response; that's ssh packets. Try using

tcpdump -n -i wlan0 icmp

to focus on icmp packets only. And please copy the exact responses rather than "like this" copying.

By this it indicates that the ping requests don't arrive at the server.

How about ping -n 9.9.9.9 from the laptop; does that get proper response? This test is only for verifying that packets from the laptop can go to and from the router. If that is the case, you will need to reconsider the router configuration.

Presumably it does have some isolation between LAN devices or device groups.

#49 Re: Other Issues » Unable to connect to devuan laptop server on local network » 2025-07-05 02:45:33

If you focus on icmp messages or host 192.168.1.4 you'll see that the icmp packets are sent out, but there are no responses back.

Are you able to run tcpdump on the server?

#50 Re: Other Issues » Unable to connect to devuan laptop server on local network » 2025-07-04 22:34:45

As you may know all (almost) network messaging comes in pairs with outbound packets getting inbound responses. I use tcpdump to look at that to show what happens on an interface, like:

tcpdump -n -i wlan0

to see packets in to and out from wlan0 without attempting "reverse dns" on them (i.e. see IP addresses rather than domain names).

You do that in one terminal while using an other terminal for trying things like ping. The best is if you can do the same on the target host, to see where the messages hold-up may be. Note that for ipv4 it is essential that "arp" messaging move freely; the hosts use that so as to learn the ethernet addresses of LAN devices. All networking is carried by the link-level LAN connectivity, which uses the ethernet addresses or broadcasts (i.e. address ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff plus the broadcast flag bit set). 

In your case, I do suspect your router. I think that most routers have "broadcast groups" where they only forward broadcast messages to interfaces within the group of the interface where the messages come in. Which router do you have -- brand and version "number"? (with that we can probably find its instruction book on the Internet)

Routers may also have limitations on number of connected devices.

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