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#426 Re: Forum Feedback » Registration questions are questionable. » 2017-07-18 21:22:44

Do they still have them petro stations, I'll buy you a steak dinner my friend smile
You have the answer right.  You grapevine racer you!

#427 Other Issues » Abiword 3.0.2 Gnome office top screen flickering cursor dissapearing » 2017-07-18 21:00:53

fungus
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I use to like this pkg, simple lighter than some, with full editing features but it is not behaving lately

I don't know whether it is my hardware it does not like or does anyone else have the problems.

It is really hard to type or do anything, the cursor vanished, appears huge, and the screen in the top
20% of the page flickers like crazy.  It is like a bad neon bulb/capacitor/igniter thing.

I have seen the same in another distro on the same machine for a long while, but couldn't find
any reference.  Older versions of it didn't have the problem.

I am on ceres (did it in ascii as well) Amd64 LXDE and openbox (same thing).

I had no clue it was part of gnomeoffice ... figures, this thing needs a plugin for reading odt and can
not save it.  What about that open document format.

Any other editor's software other than libreO and ApacheO

#428 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 20:42:16

That was a good day's worth of work, time to trim nails and play some guitar
Tomorrow will be another day in the system fixing world ... at some point the perfect system
may become ready for some real work.
It is like wood working, it takes a day of messing with metal tools before you even
consider touching any wood.

#429 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 17:29:04

continued ...
I use pcmanfm in openbox and the only difference is that mountable volumes through the fm vanished.
I guess the gvfs process provide thunar with this ability (mounting and umounting volumes and drives, permanent and temp) and pcmanfm uses
that ability but does not have it on its own.  So in order to have this thunar must also be installed, or it came along back with gvfs.

Gui crap!  Now I understand what virtual file system means.

#430 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] About SOLVED questions » 2017-07-18 15:54:35

golinux wrote:
fungus wrote:

We need some women on the forum

Does an old cranky one count?

I like it

#431 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] About SOLVED questions » 2017-07-18 13:47:49

In the barricades (a las barricadas) with a hood on and only the eyes looking at you, with a rock in the other hand, she will be there.

#432 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 11:59:49

I flushed xfce and then flushed all the gvfs and wondered if it will reboot

Obviously it riding on clean air now ... 
The more you look the more you can improve and optimize

#433 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 11:19:01

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  exfalso fonts-font-awesome fonts-lato gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0 gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0
  gir1.2-gtksource-3.0 gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-4.0 gir1.2-keybinder-3.0 gir1.2-soup-2.4 gir1.2-webkit2-4.0
  gstreamer1.0-alsa gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio gtk2-engines-xfce hddtemp hyphen-en-us
  javascript-common liba52-0.7.4 libapparmor-perl libass5 libbluray1 libgpod-common libgpod4
  libgtksourceview-3.0-1 libgtksourceview-3.0-common libgtksourceview2.0-0 libgtksourceview2.0-common
  libhunspell-1.4-0 libjs-jquery libjs-modernizr libjs-sphinxdoc libjs-underscore libkeybinder-3.0-0
  libllvm3.9 libmodplug1 libntfs-3g871 libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libsgutils2-2 libsidplay1v5
  libtagc0 libtidy-0.99-0 libunistring0 libx265-95 libxfce4panel-2.0-4 libxfce4ui-utils media-player-info
  mousepad python-feedparser python-libxml2 python-musicbrainzngs python-mutagen python-pyinotify
  python-twisted-web python-utidylib quodlibet ristretto sphinx-rtd-theme-common thunar
  thunar-archive-plugin thunar-media-tags-plugin thunar-volman xfburn xfce4-appfinder xfce4-battery-plugin
  xfce4-clipman xfce4-clipman-plugin xfce4-cpufreq-plugin xfce4-cpugraph-plugin xfce4-datetime-plugin
  xfce4-dict xfce4-diskperf-plugin xfce4-fsguard-plugin xfce4-genmon-plugin xfce4-goodies
  xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-mount-plugin xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-notes xfce4-notes-plugin
  xfce4-places-plugin xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin xfce4-screenshooter xfce4-sensors-plugin
  xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin xfce4-systemload-plugin xfce4-taskmanager xfce4-timer-plugin xfce4-verve-plugin
  xfce4-wavelan-plugin xfce4-weather-plugin xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin xfce4-xkb-plugin
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.

with autoupgrade I get the same plus these last two lines

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 93 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
After this operation, 131 MB disk space will be freed.

gvfs is not in there.

#434 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 11:11:10

this is after I lock down qupzilla and libqupzilla1 so they will not fly away since they don't exist in ceres?

#435 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] About SOLVED questions » 2017-07-18 08:38:35

I've burried one long ago and I am nursing the second one hopefully for longer than I can.  But early on I did all the things they wouldn't let me.
I still try.  Look for squats, protests, little bookstores, and non-pop live music.  There are the only safe havens for people who can trully love and are
capable of.  The rest you can buy and sell at the bazar.

#436 Re: Forum Feedback » Registration questions are questionable. » 2017-07-18 07:40:49

I know that Devuan is not made (in philosophy, I don't see why not) for absolute newbies in linux.  But you have to think of those poor souls willing to bail out of windouche 8/10.  It would be very discouraging to consider the answer to the question of the pid# of the init system.

One good reason for using a live installer is to have startpage in the background.

But just about anything you may ask apart from basic logic and language skills will include a bias.
My favorite would be "the smallest planet in the solar system" and include pluto and pluton as some of the correct answers, even they now say it is not a planet smile

Famous thief in Missourah (first name): 

What channel do US truckers use to chat, 10-4 .... not fourteen

#437 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] About SOLVED questions » 2017-07-18 07:29:00

Old and cranky works best, they can ruin men just as well.

#438 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 07:23:24

Puzzled and confused  about gvfs (virtual file system processes)

I noticed those tasks running and wondered what they do.  I did not find much of an explanation so I looked through the dependencies and dependants.
They must have come through the installed xfce that was on the live system I used to install Devuan.  Lots of mate cinnamon and xfce dependants, very few items I ever use (engrampa, evince, pcmanfm..) So I used synaptic to see what would come off when uninstalled.

There are 7 of these gvfs pkgs and only the gvfs---bin is not installed, all have plenty of dependants.  When I tried to uninstall only those 6pkgs were on the list to be uprooted.  None of their dependants.  Meaning??  They have alternative dependencies and gvfs is there as a helper?

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edited:  running ceres on amd64

#439 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-17 20:32:21

I may be too new to help you, and I started with a clean install side by side to a debian install.
Get a list of your needed software, copy your home into the same name and user id in the fresh
installation, and run them and compare for yourself.
I have pulled and stretched this thing in all ways, it is not braking yet.  I jumped from jessie
(boring) to ascii (equally boring) and now to ceres.  The only problem I experienced was with
the availability of my browser that will not upgrade in ceres, but the same problem exists in sid.

I don't think I am going back, other than from quriocity to see how things are evolving in
contrast with devuan.  I am so happy with it I can feel what people feel getting out of "jail".

I remember seeing in the devuan page a document of trying it your way.

PS  Wait until you try the refractasnapshot to backup your system and create a live
iso out of your system as well.  It is 4 clicks away.  It was science and research in debian
to do the same.  And I never wanted to do a dissertation in live image production.
This is like cheating on Debian with her sexier funnier twin sister!

#440 Re: Other Issues » Qupzilla will not upgrade » 2017-07-17 16:16:34

Yes, that is what I have figured since.  The dependencies listed by qupzilla 2.1.2 don't yet exist in sid or ceres.  The maintainer should have held it back before placing it there.  It seems as things relatively unrelated to systemd get passed to unstable from sid without being tested that they would install and if the Debian sid maintainer hasn't done his/her/their job right ceres just follows suit.

#441 Re: Other Issues » Qupzilla will not upgrade » 2017-07-17 14:20:35

It will not install in sid either

#442 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] About SOLVED questions » 2017-07-17 12:47:04

Racoton wrote:

Cool, I've been ruined. tongue  Lot of thanks.

Just mark it [RUINED]

I hope the subject is not:  I am a man

We need some women on the forum

#443 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-07-17 09:27:18

FOSSuser wrote:

Debian has a bureaucracy, Devuan is a collective, which makes for a very different way of decision making.

Debian is just as democratic as any western democracy.  It is organized so the public is excluded from the
decision process.  Participation and representation by demagogues and populists is an insult to the ideal of democracy.

You, the OP, are judging future as a dynamic process having a static picture.  Your premise is that debian due to
the high current number of developers will continue developing a good solid system.  This is a "if ... " loop you are
trapped under.  "If" Debian took the wrong turn a while back due to a bad "political decision" influenced by
market and not solid scientific reasoning, Debian will run aground in uncharted waters.  So If and "if not else" is
very significant in analyzing your question.  Look up here and elsewhere postgres and uncontrollable logging
and tell me why so many developers not only can not fix will not even accept this is a bug causing problems
to servers (as a user I can't tell this is a problem).  19log entries a minute without the possibility to stop them
is a problem for any server that does not just deletes all logs in equal rates.

In any way you look at it, it is a bet.  I am betting due to the political decision and philosophy of Devuan.
I have been twice in life abandoned a love relationship, still in love, because of problems of cohabitation.
This is how I feel about debian.  I loved it and still wish I could live with it, but I'd rather not.  I think Manjaro
with OpenRC was a rebound relationship, I'd like to make a family with Devuan now.

Live long and prosper my friends.

#444 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-17 08:25:02

Well, if things are not sorted out yet in ceres why would there be an ascii update?

If I break in ceres you will be the first to know, I promise.
AMD64-ceres

#445 Other Issues » Qupzilla will not upgrade » 2017-07-17 08:21:56

fungus
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Although a newer version of qupzilla exists in ceres, and I have upgraded to ceres, 2 pkgs are held back and would cause breaks if upgraded.
Qupzilla and its dependency.  From 1.8.* in stable and ascii 2.1.2 is in ceres but cannot install.  http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3398#p3398

Why is it even there if it is not installable?

#446 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-07-17 08:11:31

Mark this as bluff failed.
The whole system upgraded to ceres, all fine.
Two packages held back!
Qupzilla and its lib codependency.  An upgrade will cause breaks it says.
Should I force it?

#447 Re: Off-topic » Life after Firefox » 2017-07-17 07:17:19

Somewhat Reticent wrote:

For those who insist on more than suckless surf there's Midori or QupZilla or maybe just dillo or netsurf? neutral
In the long run, though, maybe best to use a fire-jail'ed browser cloud VM/appimage instance?

The only reference in this forum of Qupzilla is yours, now there will be two.
It is not as minimal in footprint as portrayed, but in Devuan it is alot lighter than in systemd distros.  Somehow all the qtwebkit processes that would run along in systemd (10-15 of them) are not active here.  But I am confortable with it and it is not made by google/mozilla Inc.  Midori was crap, I only struggled with it for a couple of days.  Dillo is fine if you are editing plain no script html pages and want something light to visualize them in the background.  For plain html5 pages/sites (devuan/debian/torproject/etc) it may be fine.

Qupzilla 1.8.* is more than 2 years old.  Sid/Ceres is now testing 2.1.2 ....  WHAT A LEAP!  Manjaro has had 2.1... in stable for quite a while.  As I write this I am upgrading to ceres from ascii as it is the only way I can get qupzilla.  Sounds silly, I know.  I have my refractasnapshot done (you guys should try it if you haven't already).
Guess what!  If you use qupzilla from jessie/ascii to reach qupzilla's website to download and build their latest the javascript link to download for "other linux" does not work.  Their own site does not work with an older qupzilla to download the newer one!

That is why I like it so much  smile  It is like buying a Trabant or a Yugo when nobody wants even the one they have.  I wanted to make a 2stroke clone of the two and call it Zastrabant

#448 Re: Other Issues » Sudo does not work on shells only on guis [SOLVED] » 2017-07-17 06:42:49

I am pretty confident my choice would have been the first, but I have made mistakes in the past.
The odd thing is that however I managed to get the user in the sudo group it worked for guis requiring sudo but it would not work within a shell.  I could run synaptic which in lxde requites root priviledges to even browse or update, or mount media from the fm, but $ sudo nano ...file.  was refused.

#449 Re: Intergalactic Communities » Devuan in στα Ελληνικά, κανείς; » 2017-07-17 06:28:35

Tell me you used google to translate an old mariners' term into nonsensical english!  smile

I have been meaning to send that email for translational availability but I am still in the other end of the tunnel, playing nurse for some genetically related person.  It has been a long haul.  Being unable to stick to a seat for more than 10' does not help with writing much in any language.  I'd rather upgrade a pentium 1 from wheezy to sid than write a whole paragraph.

If there were 2 or 3 of us keeping the pressure among ourselves to do it, it could be significant.

#450 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-17 06:16:57

fsmithred wrote:
PeteGozz wrote:

   
    type -  exit                                                           exits

Can't find the smiley with the big-eyed look of shock. Damn. Thanks for that. I didn't know.

Maybe the text over the entry box should say "username or command" instead of just "username". Check with the boss (a.k.a. She who has command over all things visual.)

If I am not mistaken in the other system that would log in user exit and activate the exit daemon and open an exit shocket.

Don't mind me, I may not know what I am talking about, I just skipped to devuan out of pure intuition

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