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#326 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-19 12:46:05

You want to see a weird looking background for openbox?  On artix I tried slim as DM, and the only defect I found, no pcmanfm or nitrogen running, it does not erase any window that was opened up.  It throws it as a background.  ANY window.  Just right clicking on obmenu-generator menu it leaves it back.  So you can fill the screen with them and anything else you open.  It is like a picture of the window before it was closed is painted in the background.  Everything else works fine if you can tolerate this collage of eX-windows.
I am sure it is just an error in a slim script to erase the previously painted window. But sddm and lightdm work flawlessly.

#327 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-19 12:40:36

I think something you have changed on Miyo is meeting ceres (Debian sid) in a very bad time.
I am making this assumption because my one installation on metal is old miyo that evolved to ascii.
The newer pre-xtra miyo disliked ceres very much.  It just fell apart.  I think part of this is using
synaptic which used dist-upgrade on every upgrade.  I suspect the settings from Devuan affect
plain apt while synaptic is falling on Debian architecture plan.  I can't explain the vast difference
between apt upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade on a straight devuan-ceres installation.  So I am
being very careful and selective what I allow to be upgraded.

Meanwhile Artix is "unbelievable" ... but did I already say this today?  Not in a competitve way
but just admiration of something a few weeks old to be that capable.  They even made a cript
for runit to run as a supervisor/parallel of openrc/sysvinit, a bit redundant but a security
measure for stability.  It still boots up like a bullet and gets me wifi connected on console which
I have had a terrible time in deb/vuan.

#328 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-19 09:31:42

MiyoMaestro, please read this BEFORE you upgrade to ceres.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=4573#p4573

Now it makes sense.  I thought that all three repositories were monitored and reviewed by the DevuanDev team.  They are not, they are just copies of the Debian repositories, with minor changes in ascii.  Between ascii and ceres there is a whole Debian release missing, specifically Buster.  It would be like going from Devuan jessie to Debian Sid

#329 Re: Other Issues » apt apt-get synaptic madness in ceres (major BUG or what?) » 2017-08-19 08:51:54

I had no idea that the testing and unstable of devuan was not screened by Devuan.  I could also not have imagined that buster was skipped all together and unstable is sid, while ascii is stretch.  So this makes it a further miracle that ceres is running trouble free since yesterday while ascii is still broken.  I do have old installations of buster and sid and neither have ever resembled the problem in the login screen freezing my 2 input devices.  Out of curiosity last night visited and kate and retext were destined to be removed there as well.
So it is beginning to make some sense now that you threw some light into the mystery.

Also no wonder the mixmatch of miyo installation fell apart when brought up to ceres.  I wonder what miyo maestro will find in his late endeavor.

#330 Re: Other Issues » apt apt-get synaptic madness in ceres (major BUG or what?) » 2017-08-19 00:31:43

Not that it really matters which side of the little pond we are all on, I've spent hald my life on one side and half on the other, but are you saying that pkgs from debian automatically and without attendance they spread on the devuan-rep's?  I find this both hard to believe and extremely problematic if it happens without auditing from a systemd stronghold.
I much rather not see a single upgrade in a month than to be fed systemd depended pkgs on my system because I follow the upgrade routine.
No wonder then my new miyo upgrade to ceres went crazy and it would say broken pkgs in pretty much anything I needed to install.
I may have out of curiocity looked to compare through the debian repositories in the past but have not downloaded anything from there.  Except for a kernel that I replaced again when 4.12 made it into Devuan.
In no way would I expect anyone on vacation to be dealing with our problems here.
Just a little frustrated in the past week or so without any guidance on how to go about a problem.
USB ports have a lifetime limit in pulled and plugged in again.  At least it is only ascii that is broken now.

#331 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Ascii & Ceres lightdm/xorg broken » 2017-08-18 23:31:57

Scratch this idea/mystery
Both dmsetup and libdevmapper are the same version on ascii now (looking at ascii now from ceres) but uuid is upgradeable from ceres to ascii
2.27.1 in ceres 2.28.1 in ascii ?????  No, it is not a typo smile

I don't see how uuid has anything to do with mice and keyboards freezing up on xorg.
But what is now in ascii may not be what was there yesterday and today 12hrs ago I did not see any updates.

------------------- edit this note so I don't add another ---------------------------------------------

Did check on ascii, nothing yet to upgrade and the suspected 3 pkgs are of the same edition on ascii and ceres.
So what the heck made a difference in ceres?  Only difference is the kernel I can think about, but this hasn't
changed recently in relation to the problem and after last update of Linux412 the problem was not affected.
While the problem started first in ceres, I kept switching DMs to see whether it was DM/login screen related.
So the only thing different is in ceres I had last stayed with LXDM, instead of my usual lightdm.
So I installed lxdm in miyo-ascii but it did the same thing there too as it did on lightdm.

Note:  It only freezes up when the DM/login screen "first" comes up.  If I logoff to login to another account
the mouse and keyboard never lock up a second time.  So it all happens when X starts and passed control to
the DM.

Also, while on Openbox, the logout breaks up the dm, and as openbox is shut-down and no longer exists,
I am stuck on a half broken session where a terminal and other windows can still be initiated (like task
management).  If I then kill the lxdm-session then it exits out to the DM/login screen.

I guess I will have to wait for September when the dev-dev-team returns from vacating

#332 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Ascii & Ceres lightdm/xorg broken » 2017-08-18 23:14:58

Commit Log for Mon Aug 14 22:07:16 2017

Installed the following packages:
libminizip1 (1.1-8+b1)

Upgraded the following packages:
dmsetup (2:1.02.137-2+b1) to 2:1.02.142-1
libdevmapper1.02.1 (2:1.02.137-2+b1) to 2:1.02.142-1

Without too much investigation just the name devmapper sounds like very related.  But dm stands for device mapping as well.
Should I break rank and forwardport it to ascii?  I suspect you are thinking "of course you should if you want things fixed".
I think I shall!  If it is fixing things it will come down anyway in a few days (what happened to weeks in the mothership "borg").

#333 Re: Other Issues » apt apt-get synaptic madness in ceres (major BUG or what?) » 2017-08-18 23:08:11

So who comes up with 3 massive upgrades a day in ceres?
I am not being sarcastic, but have the non-vacationing americans taken over?  ;D

#334 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] pkexec authenticates without password » 2017-08-18 23:04:59

Take a look at  the thread  I just oppened up. http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1555

Both I and fsmithred are running LXDE (if I am not mistaken as mentioned in another thread).
I have also installed eudev in all my installations.
My ascii is an evolution from previous edition of miyo linux.
My ceres is from scratch installation from Devuan 1 Live.
All LXDE.
All LXDE for years if you include Debian as "somehow" related distro.
NOT ONCE, have I run gparted without a password, unless one would consider running from the terminal where sudo was used right before and the session didn't expire.  But gparted-pkexec is different from sudo gparted-pkexec in when it will ask for the password.

So what can explain the difference between my and fsmithred's experience

#335 Other Issues » apt apt-get synaptic madness in ceres (major BUG or what?) » 2017-08-18 22:49:30

fungus
Replies: 7

Not even 24hr from last upgrade which seems to have fixed an unexplained breakage I've experienced for 10 days, I am now speechless about what the upgrade process in ceres means.  I used to be a faithfull runner of sid for years.

This is the output of attempting to upgrade and the discovery of how different the process of apt-get dist-upgrade and apt upgrade is:
It actually want for some reason to remove packages I have and use daily that still exist in the ceres repository and are current.  They are not owned by a group or other package, I intentionally installed "them" to use them.  Retext and Kate?  Must be removed to follow the upgrade sequence?  How many more packages would I have to hold back/lock so they are not magically removed.  And there are some who suggest and recommend automatic unattended updates?  Before you know it you will not recognize half the system in its given current state.
Qupzilla is locked because the "upgrade" is not installable.
Tor-launcher other than deleting all your settings and bookmarks has no reason to even exist or ever be upgraded as tor-browser auto-updates anyway, without the launcher.  Made the mistake once, never again.  Tor-launcher does not even include tor-browser but the gui that downloads and verifies the browser itself.
Now I will have to lock kate and retext.  Are all their dependencies safe if they are locked or will I just lose functionality?
If I get to the point to have so many packages locked, that do not even have an upgraded version, just that the ceres architecture doesn't want them installed anymore, even though they exist in the ceres repository, how do I get informed that an actual upgrade can be done?

Is this crazy, is it a mistake, what is it.  Ascii I have given up trying to see if it gets fixed, next week maybe I will try.  It is locked and I can't destroy my usb ports trying to unlock the keyboard and mouse.  No developer in 10 days has even offered a hint to diagnose the problem.  Is this forum a joke between dissoriented users?

How am I keeping gnupg back from being upgraded, because I want to keep qupzilla from being erased a second time?  I sure haven't locked all this that is been held back.

$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  kactivities-bin kactivitymanagerd kate5-data kio kpackagetool5 ktexteditor-data ktexteditor-katepart
  libbasicusageenvironment1 libcddb2 libdbusmenu-qt5-2 libdirectfb-1.2-9 libdvbpsi10 libebml4v5
  libevent-2.0-5 libfam0 libgit2-24 libgpgme11 libgpgmepp6 libgroupsock8 libhttp-parser2.1 libiso9660-8
  libkate1 libkf5activities5 libkf5archive5 libkf5attica5 libkf5auth-data libkf5auth5 libkf5bookmarks-data
  libkf5bookmarks5 libkf5calendarevents5 libkf5codecs-data libkf5codecs5 libkf5completion-data
  libkf5completion5 libkf5config-bin libkf5config-data libkf5configcore5 libkf5configgui5
  libkf5configwidgets-data libkf5configwidgets5 libkf5coreaddons-data libkf5coreaddons5 libkf5crash5
  libkf5dbusaddons-bin libkf5dbusaddons-data libkf5dbusaddons5 libkf5declarative-data libkf5globalaccel-bin
  libkf5globalaccel-data libkf5globalaccel5 libkf5globalaccelprivate5 libkf5guiaddons5 libkf5i18n-data
  libkf5i18n5 libkf5iconthemes-bin libkf5iconthemes-data libkf5iconthemes5 libkf5itemmodels5
  libkf5itemviews-data libkf5itemviews5 libkf5jobwidgets-data libkf5jobwidgets5 libkf5kiocore5
  libkf5kiofilewidgets5 libkf5kiontlm5 libkf5kiowidgets5 libkf5newstuff-data libkf5newstuff5
  libkf5notifications-data libkf5notifications5 libkf5package-data libkf5package5 libkf5parts-data
  libkf5parts-plugins libkf5parts5 libkf5plasma5 libkf5service-bin libkf5service-data libkf5service5
  libkf5solid5 libkf5solid5-data libkf5sonnet5-data libkf5sonnetcore5 libkf5sonnetui5 libkf5texteditor5
  libkf5textwidgets-data libkf5textwidgets5 libkf5threadweaver5 libkf5wallet-bin libkf5wallet-data
  libkf5wallet5 libkf5widgetsaddons-data libkf5widgetsaddons5 libkf5windowsystem-data libkf5windowsystem5
  libkf5xmlgui-bin libkf5xmlgui-data libkf5xmlgui5 libkwalletbackend5-5 liblivemedia58 libmatroska6v5
  libmpcdec6 libopenmpt-modplug1 libpcre16-3 libphonon4qt5-4 libpolkit-qt5-1-1 libproxy-tools
  libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libresid-builder0c2a libsidplay2 libupnp6 libusageenvironment3 libvcdinfo0
  libvlc-bin libvlc5 libvlccore8 libx265-116 libxcb-composite0 libxcb-damage0 libxcb-xv0
  linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 linux-image-4.11.0-2-amd64 linux-kbuild-4.12 musescore-soundfont-gm phonon4qt5
  phonon4qt5-backend-vlc python3-sip qml-module-qtgraphicaleffects qml-module-qtquick-controls
  qml-module-qtquick-layouts qml-module-qtquick-window2 qml-module-qtquick2 sonnet-plugins vlc-data
  vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-video-output
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  kate kpackagelauncherqml libkf5declarative5 libkf5plasmaquick5 libkf5quickaddons5 plasma-framework
  python3-pyqt5 python3-pyqt5.qtwebkit qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrols
  qml-module-org-kde-kquickcontrolsaddons retext
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libqt5positioning5 libqt5webenginecore5 libqt5webenginewidgets5 libre2-3
The following packages have been kept back:
  dirmngr
The following packages will be upgraded:
  libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5designer5 libqt5gui5 libqt5help5 libqt5network5 libqt5opengl5
  libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5 libqt5quickwidgets5 libqt5script5 libqt5sql5 libqt5sql5-sqlite
  libqt5svg5 libqt5test5 libqt5webchannel5 libqt5webkit5 libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libqt5xml5
  libqupzilla1 qml-module-qtgraphicaleffects qml-module-qtquick-controls qml-module-qtquick-layouts
  qml-module-qtquick-window2 qml-module-qtquick2 qt5-gtk-platformtheme qupzilla
29 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 11 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
Need to get 56.4 MB of archives.
After this operation, 67.4 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.
$ sudo apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
  libdirectfb-1.2-9 libevent-2.0-5 libx265-116 linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 linux-image-4.11.0-2-amd64
  linux-kbuild-4.12 musescore-soundfont-gm
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
The following packages have been kept back:
  dirmngr gnupg libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5designer5 libqt5gui5 libqt5help5 libqt5network5 libqt5opengl5
  libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5 libqt5quickwidgets5 libqt5script5 libqt5sql5 libqt5sql5-sqlite
  libqt5svg5 libqt5test5 libqt5webchannel5 libqt5webkit5 libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libqt5xml5
  libqupzilla1 qml-module-qtgraphicaleffects qml-module-qtquick-controls qml-module-qtquick-layouts
  qml-module-qtquick-window2 qml-module-qtquick2 qt5-gtk-platformtheme qupzilla
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 31 not upgraded.

$ apt upgrade is identical to apt-get upgrade
Dist-upgrade is by far different.  Never seen this before!

#336 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-18 22:23:53

Not so fast slick! (read the article in my blog about systemd and bicycles)

I said mmmm..... because I don't know whether it was something I did or something that pertains with the miyo recipe that goes "capluey ??sp??" in ceres.
Dpkg could not built obmenu-generator or install it, and gdebi is not installable.  Kept running into broken pkgs everywhere and then just dumped the whole project and plan to start clean.  Things got so wacky I didn't know what is causing what anymore.
Maybe staying away from synaptic in ceres is a good idea and stick to apt.  I never figured out what the earlier warning about smart upgrade and usual upgrade was, but in synaptic it seems as it does not exist anymore.  I thought I may have checked "don't ask me again" but why wouldn't it exist in Miyo?
And what about the mixed architecture repo accessing.  Why do we need this?  It seems as synaptic does an apt-get dist-upgrade on any upgrade which seems to be vastly different than apt upgrade.

Look for a new topic I am opening up about the "WTF upgrade is this?"

#337 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Update fails - xserver-xorg-core "loses keyboard and mouse" » 2017-08-18 16:45:43

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1534

As I wrote on the above, due to updates not my own involvement, my problem with freezing mouse/k-b has been magically cured in ceres.  Still exists on ascii.

#338 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-18 16:42:59

Been there, done that.
Mmmmm............... iyo

#339 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Ascii & Ceres lightdm/xorg broken » 2017-08-18 15:30:45

Update of my problems with xorg freezing mouse and key-b.
Since yesterday's update the next logon did not have a problem in ceres
Ascii still has the problem now.  I have intentionally not tried much of anything to see
what update fixes what.  So now I have to wait till the specific update rains down
on ascii.  This makes this problem a week long, and appeared mysteriously on
ceres first and 2 days later on ascii.

Whatever the dev1 technicians are changing, for me at least, it seems to be working.
I wondered if it is linux-kernel related and in an arch based distribution I had tried
Linux4.13 in its early 2 steps and the mouse would freeze.  I never tried then to
unplug it and plug it back to see whether it gets fixed.  But I am wondering whether
a patch to fix something else would break something different and it flowed down
the kernel development assembly line.

#340 Re: Documentation » Install eudev in ascii » 2017-08-18 12:15:55

I've installed it on both my ascii and ceres and I have not noticed any problems.

#341 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] pkexec authenticates without password » 2017-08-17 19:21:23

People who haven't used xfce/lx*/ob find it illogical (and maybe it is) why wouldn't a user without root rights NOT be able to browse and search available and installed software.  It maybe the gnome based, or kde, or mate, that only ask for pass when you attempt an upgrade or installation.
People have used linux for years through a desktop and have no clue where and which programs without a gui exist in their own system.  They only see what is on the menu.
If you try $apt -search nunit  do you get a result?  Should you?

#342 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] pkexec authenticates without password » 2017-08-17 16:42:24

What desktops are you using?
I have found from debian past that depending on the DE the access to synaptic varies.  In some you can browse and even update but you can't install.
In LXDE from the menu it opens up a sudo login box.
Sudo synaptic will also ask for normal sudo pass.
I am not sure about this, but the polkit for each DE is different and PAM has something to do with who can run what.

#343 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-17 16:19:01

you are king openboxer
how d'ya get lxpanel without the rest of the desktop?  Did you manually delete the rest of the stuff and left lxpanel and dependencies?
I bet the same questions applies about xfcepanel

On the last miyo 64 on pcmanfm the list of partitions DO come up on the left column, which I haven't been able to get done on my ascii or ceres
Devuan openbox.  If I log into lxde they work.
But the list is there but even with complete sudo rights none can be mounted.
Now even on lxde if I run sudo pcmanfm the list does not come up but if the user has mounted them then root has access in the /media/user/** mounted volumes.
I know I had asked before and I am still researching this problem. 
eudev is now on all my installations but the problem pre-existed, it is not related.
All the necessary gvfs tools are installed.

#344 Re: Devuan » Current state of Devuan regarding systemd » 2017-08-16 09:03:50

remember that the user is just another "service" to the system that it needs to control
... it will shut you down when you are no longer needed

I like the shevy.gif, can I use it on my blog?

#345 Re: Other Issues » What is the easiest way to install systemd? » 2017-08-16 08:51:47

/etc/systemd/system/hook-for-my-shutdown-jobs

I wonder on a commercial server, that RH services, do they charge for removing this "feature"?

Hey, watch it with those gray beard jokes.

#346 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-16 08:37:00

Docky is fun but I have gotten it to freeze up on me a couple of times (too many configuration changes all at once ?).
Another low resource robust simple dock is plank.
I am also wondering whether the problem with the frozen screen is keyboard related.  It is some very old weird mechanical
"windows" keyboard with a ton of funky windows buttons that may be in conflict with some of the hot-key presets that don't
exist in plain devuan.  But I haven't had much time to investigate much.

#347 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Update fails - xserver-xorg-core "loses keyboard and mouse" » 2017-08-15 22:51:54

I always liked AMD but my last precious all AMD machine was stolen.
I only buy what I can get between 50-100 and I am happy.  Usually
a refurb Dell with a year warranty.

$ lspci -tv
-[0000:00]-+-00.0  Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express DRAM Controller
           +-01.0-[01]--
           +-02.0  Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           +-02.1  Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           +-03.0  Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express MEI Controller
           +-03.2  Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express PT IDER Controller
           +-03.3  Intel Corporation 82Q35 Express Serial KT Controller
           +-19.0  Intel Corporation 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection
           +-1a.0  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4
           +-1a.1  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5
           +-1a.7  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2
           +-1b.0  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
           +-1c.0-[02]--
           +-1d.0  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1
           +-1d.1  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2
           +-1d.2  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3
           +-1d.7  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1
           +-1e.0-[03]--
           +-1f.0  Intel Corporation 82801IO (ICH9DO) LPC Interface Controller
           +-1f.2  Intel Corporation 82801IR/IO/IH (ICH9R/DO/DH) 6 port SATA Controller [AHCI mode]
           \-1f.3  Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller

#348 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-15 13:37:50

MiyoLinux wrote:

Thank you for giving it a spin! Since I'm the only tester for Miyo, I'm interested in what you find. Just a word of possible advice...

Unfortunately it didn't run.  It booted ok and went to desktop, then I right clicked and that was it, like the previous edition. It may be some old hardware incompatibility.
What I am going to try next is instal miyo into a usb stick and boot from that as a real non-live installation so then I can inspect the logs.
Devuan Jessie and openbox/lightdm is already installed in the same machine by transforming a Debian wheezy into devuan jessie.
Apart from being understandably slow with the desktop it works.

You are not the only Miyo tester, there must be more among the hundreds downloading the image.

If I didn't find it so amazing I would not bother testing it.  Plus my ascii installation in my work pc is Miyo with some additions.

#350 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-15 00:24:42

I just finished my day playing with the latest 32bit Miyo, amazing stuff.  It run
like a champ on a 64bit system.  Tomorrow I may get a chance to play with
it on real 32bit celeron with just enough ram to load the keyboard firmware smile
The real test.

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