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#2751 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-02-04 18:11:20
These last three posts should be in the "pkgmaster is repository hell" thread. I am unable to rejoin them to that existing thread so they have been split off to "pkgmaster is repository hell (continued)"
#2752 Re: Other Issues » updating with SPM-Synaptic » 2018-02-04 17:08:31
Comment out the cdrom media in your sources.list and then synaptic should go to the live repositories.
#2753 Re: Installation » pkgmaster is repository hell (continued) » 2018-02-04 16:11:58
2018-01-30 00:04:43 fsmithred: KatolaZ, I think I said pretty much the same thing on that thread.
2018-01-30 00:05:19 fsmithred: Only advantage I can see for https is if you don't want ISP or government to know what you're installing.
2018-01-30 00:06:06 fsmithred: which might be a legitimate concern for a few people
2018-01-30 00:13:40 FoxMuldV6: also think public wifi at starbucks or in a hotel.
2018-01-30 00:30:54 KatolaZ: fsmithred: didn't have much time to go through the whole thread tbh
2018-01-30 00:30:58 KatolaZ: got tired pretty early
2018-01-30 00:31:07 KatolaZ: read it diagonally
2018-01-30 00:31:24 KatolaZ: and spotted those inaccuracies in the reasoning . . .
2018-01-30 00:33:55 KatolaZ: FoxMuldV6: so what? your fello coffee-addicts can get to know that you installed nano?
2018-01-30 00:33:58 KatolaZ: o_O
2018-01-30 00:35:22 FoxMuldV6: I'm sure with the right distro there is bound to be a package 'pornhub-collection', and it's really noone's business when I install that! :-p
2018-01-30 00:35:45 KatolaZ: FoxMuldV6: 
2018-01-30 00:36:07 KatolaZ: they should first break wifi auth
2018-01-30 00:36:40 KatolaZ: then manage to do an arp-spoofing with the gateway....
2018-01-30 00:37:00 KatolaZ: and/or
2018-01-30 00:37:04 KatolaZ: depending on the ap config
2018-01-30 00:37:21 KatolaZ: (normally LAN communication is not enabled by default)
2018-01-30 00:42:02 fsmithred: my main concern is that he said the onion address only works intermittently. So I'm testing it.
2018-01-30 00:42:47 fsmithred: oh, and that he gets different results whether he uses tor or not
2018-01-30 00:43:28 KatolaZ: fsmithred: that's quite unlikely
2018-01-30 00:43:36 KatolaZ: I have tested both http and https
2018-01-30 00:43:39 KatolaZ: and they are the same
2018-01-30 00:43:44 fsmithred: same here
2018-01-30 00:43:50 KatolaZ: just asked parazyd who has confirmed that http, https, and onion are the same
2018-01-30 00:43:53 KatolaZ: SO
2018-01-30 00:44:27 KatolaZ: the problem is probably elsewhere
2018-01-30 00:44:50 fsmithred: I was taught to check whether anyone else has the problem or if someone knows what I did wrong before I file a bug report
2018-01-30 00:46:35 KatolaZ: I would rather invest the time to fix anna/net-retriever for d-i 
2018-01-30 00:46:51 KatolaZ: it's more useful to a much larger number of devuan users 
2018-01-30 00:50:44 parazyd: it's literally impossible to get different results with https/http/tor if you're using pkgmaster in all 3
2018-01-30 00:52:42 KatolaZ: well, the only possibility is that there is a glitch on the debian side
2018-01-30 00:52:45 KatolaZ: with tor
2018-01-30 00:52:55 KatolaZ: which happened a couple of times, months ago
2018-01-30 00:57:18 parazyd: still no reason to get updates with tor and no updates through http(s)
#2754 Re: Other Issues » Becoming a Devuan Maintainer (cut) » 2018-02-04 02:31:05
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Thats what I get. Is that not just a 'lifetime cookie' thing?
Yes, it is a cookie. If you come regularly, I think it keeps renewing because I never get logged out of any of the forums I frequent daily.
Never thought of it as keeping one logged in... ?
Will try it ~ Thx
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#2755 Re: Other Issues » Becoming a Devuan Maintainer (cut) » 2018-02-04 01:53:59
golinux wrote:I had a better Subject, but taking to long lost it.
If you click the option to stay logged in, you won't get bit by the timeout issue.
Pray`Tell...where is that option to click?
On the login screen just under where you enter your password. It says:
Log me in automatically each time I visit.
That keeps you logged in if you visit here regularly. I suppose there would eventually be a timeout but certainly not during a session.
#2756 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2018-02-03 22:31:16
Am I supposed to know who that is?
#2757 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2018-02-03 21:57:53
@Miyo . . . Lazy Saturday?
#2758 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » On acsii, plasma and the power button. » 2018-02-02 23:34:39
@Miyo . . . steve_v has long since left the building. But he did test after I asked him to see if elogind fixed things and he said:
Yes, power management in KDE now works, if eudev & elogind are installed.
#2759 Re: Off-topic » Devuan Socks » 2018-02-02 17:31:05
An upside-down swoosh. Looks weird . . .
#2760 Re: Off-topic » Why This Website Have A Copy Of devuan.org? » 2018-02-02 16:54:53
Thanks. If you upgrade to ascii you can see the darkpurpy Xfce desktop!
#2761 Re: Off-topic » Getting to know you » 2018-02-01 23:11:26
golinux wrote:Everyone is entitled to their meltdowns and confusion as long as they take responsibility instead of imagining that it's someone else's fault.
γραφω λογον said "I also like the social contract which states, quite simply and objectively, why the goals of this project do not fit my personal needs." That seems to be a bit self-contradictory, but anyway I'd like to know where I can find the social contract. I poked around a bit, and can't seem to find it...
I was also confused by that. Debian has a social contract. Devuan has the (almost) no Code of Conduct. Is the poster referring to the Debian or the Devuan document. And what in whichever document does not fit their "personal needs"?
#2762 Re: Off-topic » Getting to know you » 2018-02-01 16:23:45
Everyone is entitled to their meltdowns and confusion as long as they take responsibility instead of imagining that it's someone else's fault.
#2763 Re: Off-topic » Getting to know you » 2018-02-01 02:37:22
golinux, you can just go ahead and "ban" me if you want and it's no big deal at all.
Why on earth would I do that? I hope that your continuing Linux adventures are more successful than it seems your encounter with Devuan was. I guess we'll never know what your issues/problems were that might make you decide to remove it and reclaim your HDD . . .
#2764 Re: Off-topic » Why This Website Have A Copy Of devuan.org? » 2018-01-30 17:36:01
Basically what the title says. Why is there a website that appears to have an entire copy of the Devuan website. Like, the website is about GMOs or something. It's unrelated to Linux... I think?
http://www.saynotogmos.org/devuan-final/index.html
Am I missing something?
Yes. I am part of the team that designs/maintains the Devuan website. The backend is a bit of a hairball so last year I converted it to plain html as an experiment and option to simplify things. I posted it on that old website of mine. In the end, we stayed with the hairball. Just last night I posted a proposal for some subtle color changes for the official ascii release. Note that only that page has the changes. Structural changes are coming soon too.
#2765 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-29 22:22:53
golinux wrote:Good to hear. Holding on to resentment and anger is so not a good thing.
Hehe... you're right, but there was never any resentment and anger in the first place (as you well know).
Indeed. Maybe not about the banning but nomko or the admins? Not at all? (rehtorical questions) In any case, it was an opportunity to share a life lesson with anyone who ventures into this thread.
#2766 Re: Devuan » Discussion About - Software should be came by Default » 2018-01-29 21:33:12
GoLinux suggest i do this post.
Indeed I did. This discussion topic is better separated from the other issues in that thread. inukaze . . . in the future please keep to only one topic per thread.
#2767 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-29 15:39:53
I'm just pointing out that if transparency and accountability is desired, then it's best not to cloud things. Otherwise you may as well hit the ban button and not bother yourself with explaining why or keeping an "evidence bag".
Keeping "evidence" is the only way to defend a position. It was just a PITA to have to take 2 screenies, rejoin them yada, yada. I am guilty of being lazy.
golinux wrote:You should see what went on over at DUF in its early days. Complete anarchy. DUF rose from the exodus of many veteran Debian users years ago after cynwulf himself was banned/suspended. Still a bit of a sore spot, I think.
As number 9 of the top 10 posters, you should know.
Indeed. What great fun we had. But that too passed (as all things do). Now DUF is on life support.
That last statement of yours is untrue.
Good to hear. Holding on to resentment and anger is so not a good thing.
I've made my views on this clear by now, so at this stage I'll call it a day.
OK. I do hope that you'll stick around the forum though . . .
#2769 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-29 01:39:10
I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but I think he might have been suspended once in the past.
He was moderated on the DNG list last year but not the forum.
You should see what went on over at DUF in its early days. Complete anarchy. DUF rose from the exodus of many veteran Debian users years ago after cynwulf himself was banned/suspended. Still a bit of a sore spot, I think.
#2770 Re: Installation » Devuan minimal install with Trinity (TDE). Login goes black & returns » 2018-01-29 01:08:21
#2771 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-29 01:00:20
The membership are provided with a link to a text file, not the original thread in original form and the author cannot respond in thread, in semi-realtime. It doesn't really help matters.
Is this better? It is rather insulting that you would question the veracity of a copy/paste. I am truthful to a fault and have spent most of my life striving to eliminate 'filters' that warp perceptions.
For the casual observer, it might be useful to have fungus' complaint summarised by an uninterested (third) party... (aka "what the feck is actually going on here?").
Nah. That would just muddy the waters and be more divisive and distracting. Besides most of that rant makes no sense and is a heavily filtered/distorted account of events. Just let it die in peace. Continue over at DUF if you wish. I will not engage on that childish level.
#2772 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-28 23:34:29
You're being slightly 'diplomatic' there to say the least.
A ban can be permanent or for days/weeks/months/years - it's purely a matter of nomenclature... a ban is a ban regardless of the term imposed, be it a day or a lifetime. You can call it a "suspension" if you like. In the same way that a permanent ban could be termed an "indefinite suspension".
And now you are being slightly "cyn"ical. But ever since I've known you, there's no middle ground.
#2773 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-28 23:20:39
I'm somewhat surprised that you've banned fungus. I have to make it clear here that I strongly object to a ban based on what has been posted by this user.
This is a untruth. He has not been banned. He has been suspended for a little time out to reflect on improving his communication skills and how to better play with others.
Anyone who would like to see why, please go here. That post has not been deleted. It has been moved to the admin area.
I am going to split the off-topic posts in this thread to a more appropriate place.
#2774 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-28 20:41:14
Yes, fungus is on a little hiatus from this list. There are several ways he could communicate if he chose to. If he would send an email to DNG discussing the issue he's having with pkgmaster, I would release it from moderation to the list for discussion (if the content sticks to technical issues) even though he no longer has an account there. Or as suggested above he could re-register. The 'obstacles' are imaginary.
#2775 Re: Forum Feedback » Crossing the line or not? » 2018-01-28 17:21:27
Your mail to 'Dng' with the subject Fw: Reply to topic: 'pkgmaster is repository hell' Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/m … 91fc67c78c
"The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list". You no longer have an account there. So re-register. Is that really so hard?
FYI . . . the message posted to DNG that is in moderation is nothing substantial. Just a duplication of the automated message posted above not anything about the pkgmaster issue or it would have been released to the list.
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