Well, this is why I am warning Miyo about LXQT, it may be harder to deal with than the good old trusty lxde.

Very informative comment.  It is mainly the contrast of how easily firefox was installed and how qupzilla required half the system replaced.
The way I see things is that I identify a core-system as 1st level, X-graphic-DM-DE as 2nd level, and pkgs on top of 1st or 2nd level as the 3rd level.  So as long as the infrastructure 1st level remains solid, I can mess with 2/3rd level pkgs.  I wish it was easier to identify the levels when dependencies are pulled in and out, but that is my attempt.

I also undertand your explanation of debian's chain dependency, it just seems that it is suspiciously extreme to get a game pkg to play sudoku and it requires a specific init system and device management.  It is an extreme example that may not be true but I think you get my drift.

I think you need mtp-tools and mtpfs

The messiah has come again, bow to MIYO

https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/139

Devuan is Debian, with some "core system files" altered, and some default configurations altered.  The rest is all the same.
As far as I know mozilla stuff doesn't yet require any init specific files, it floats on top of any desktop.
The system will not break unless you substitute core system files for something incompatible.  I didn't say to upgrade the system with a debian repository on, I said UPDATE, so you can access the packages that are available.
My kernel comes from Debian sid, it runs excellent.  It is Linux 4.13, which has been a stable kernel for about a month.

My sources list is about 4 times longer, most stuff is commented out, just there when I need something specific.

you may need the debian keyring if you don't have it, install it and then update again.

~/.config/pcmanfm/default there is a conf file you can edit manually.
Hopefully you do have rights to edit your own $HOME/.config/

If you have copied a home folder from another installation (using root) your rights may have been altered, so check them (with pcmanfm you can R-click on /.config/pcmanfm/default  ->properties and see the access.

It had happened to me with LXpanel and drove me crazy for a while

/etc/apt/sources.list

Commenting out means you add a # in front of the line.  On the specific one and if you don't plan to reinstall anything without being online you can just delete the whole cd/dvd lines.

I am not saying you don't know this, but someone very new to the devuan/debian system may need this "obvious" detail.
Also with synaptics on menu settings-->repositories-->cd/dvd should be one of the top lines, you can just un-check the ones you don't need.
If you plan to never built-compile packages from source and just trust the binaries available you can comment-out/un-check all the deb-src repositories, as they are redundant and slow your updates down.

I bumped my miyo-linux up a notch today.  Linux4.13, which has been a stable kernel for a while now, was released in Debian Sid.  I was curious whether it would work as all of 4.13 releases in Arch/Manjaro/Artix have not worked on my machine.  It would boot fine and when X was started all my inpur-devices (usb kbd/mouse) would freeze up.
I thought it had to do with the kernel itself, maybe a dropped module in 4.13 or some incompatibility with my firmware.
Well I pulled 4.13 from Sid into a debian sid installation and worked fine.  So I tried the same with my Miyo-Linux-Ascii-enstein
Here is the proof:

$ neofetch
   ..,,;;;::;,..                   miyo@machine
           `':ddd;:,.              ----------
                 `'dPPd:,.         OS: Miyo-Devuan GNU/Linux 2.0 (ascii) x86_64
                     `:b$$b`.      Model: OptiPlex 755
                        'P$$$d`    Kernel: 4.13.0-1-amd64          <---<<
                         .$$$$$`   Uptime: 1 minute
                         ;$$$$$P   Packages: 1629
                      .:P$$$$$$`   Shell: bash 4.4.12
                  .,:b$$$$$$$;'    Resolution: 1920x1080
             .,:dP$$$$$$$$b:'      WM: Openbox
      .,:;db$$$$$$$$$$Pd'`         WM Theme: Onyx-Citrus
 ,db$$$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`             Theme: Adwaita-dark [GTK2/3]
:$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`                  Icons: Adwaita [GTK2/3]
 `$$$$$bd:''`                      Terminal: x-terminal-emul
   `'''`                           CPU: Intel 2 Duo E6550 (2) @ 2.333GHz
                                   GPU: Intel Q35
                                   Memory: 244MiB / 3813MiB

To top this off, Qupzilla which has been crashing regularly with clicks of new tab/window or refreshing a tab had yet to crash.

And I thought it was my 13 year old machine getting obsolete and wouldn't run on anything above 4.12

Hi your majesty Devuanor.  All fine and great.  But why is sddm running fine in artix free of systemd, it is actually the default DM, but is having problems here?
The only logical explanation I find is that they ARE ALL infested in one way or another, and artix decided to clean sddm, devuan decided on lightdm.

I was reading yesterday of the new release of the enemy's core 235, that they have spent much time in altering the sysctrl aspects of shutdown, reboot, etc.  Too many daemons to put back in the cage I guess and let the mothership know about it?

Experimental is not a distribution, it is like a storage place for "experiments" to be tried by really experienced users and developers before they reach ceres (something like sid) and start flowing downstream.
It is the place where you can find refracta-tools, you can find eudev and replace the dreaded udev, and early stages of other init systems like operc, s6, runit, etc. among other things.
Experimental exists in debian too, sometimes you can find a new (for Debian kernel) that is not cleared for sid yet.
Experimental like sid/ceres only is a single repository, no security/update parts.
I have it energized on top of my ascii in case refracta, eudev, get updated.  But be really careful of what get pulled from there and replaces something you have in your distribution that may break your system.

There is nothing more rewarding than letting things break and fixing them again
Stability is for paper-collars (as we call them here).  I have no carpeting or a/c in my car, just padded rollbars, and that was used
for hauling motorcycles around, just to explain the mindset.