Hmm, I had never heard of ranger before but a glance at the description on the home page turned me off straight away because of this: "file manager with VI key bindings".
No thanks, while I do occasionally use vi(m) (I had to use vi when I was working on Solaris / HP-OS / AIX servers) I'm not a fan of its key bindings and only know the basic ones so ranger is not for me.

Like Altoid said, mc is inspired by Norton Commander and that's what I was using on MS DOS / Win 3.1 before switching to Linux in the mid 90s so that's what I prefer.

Any date you choose will be a persistent parameter that will allow fingerprinting and therefore together with other parameters tracking you.

The only date of birth that would avoid this is one that gets randomly generated each time it's requested (or at least at each reboot), so it's never the same date.

But it should be obvious to anyone that the current legislation is only an initial  stepping stone since the date can be faked easily, within a year or two the laws will be changed to allow only verified dates that are cryptographically signed by some authority so that you can no longer fake it.

This is only to get people used to the idea, so they can expand upon it in the coming years. Classic boiling the frog slowly strategy.

I'm not surprised that they would do that since systemd is essentially a corporate IBM/Redhat project and corporations of course will comply (corporations seem to be the drivers behind this anyway, I guess the ultimate aim is that doing anything on the internet without a verified ID tied to some government issued digital ID will be impossible, basically cinese-style total surveillance and social scoring...).

The problems for us without systemd will start when applications such as Firefox will start depending on systemd for this and possibly refuse to work without it ...

That will mean either patching these apps or creating something equivalent outside systemd to comply.

I would rather stop using the internet (or at least anything I can't access without this crap) than comply.

BTW, for those more interested in removing any age tracking and compliance software from their installs which some distros are already discussing and implementing the following initiative has been started:
https://github.com/AntiSurv/oss-anti-surveillance

Is Devuan a legal entity? If yes in which country? If not, who are those countries making these laws supposed to hold responsible? Certainly not individual devs located all over the world and often not even easily identifiable.

In practice these local laws only have relevance for companies or legal entities who have some kind of presence in the territories affected by these laws.

but I guess some kind of disclaimer such as "Not for use in Brazil/California/whatever" doesn't hurt and is easily done but IMHO that's not really necessary as the standard FOSS licenses disclaimer ("THIS PROGRAM IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTIBILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.") should already cover that.

With operating systems that don't come preinstalled on a device it is ultimately the user who decides to download and install it who is responsible for it, not the creators, as the creators cannot know where it will be installed and how it will be used.

This is nothing new really, for example there has always been the issue of software patents which apply to the US but not to many other parts of the world and non-commercial non-US based distros have always ignored these local US laws, as they don't apply to them.

Same here, my router is actually a small custom built PC that doesn't even have wifi.

A router provided by the ISP (or even a self-bought off-the-shelf router) is another gaping security hole that I would never allow in my home.

Thanks for that, what I find particularly annoying is when people post LLM slop without even declaring it (and therefore pretending they wrote it themselves), people should at least have the decency to put it in quotes and declare which LLM/chatbot they got it from, just like when quoting from a website or any other source.

From my perspective as a XFCE user who has no interest in Wayland and who doesn't have any insight into the details of how XFCE is developed it seems good because it keeps the wayland code (xfwl4) separate from the X11 part (xfwm4) so if in future they drop the X11 part it should be relatively easy for someone to for fork xfwm4 and continue maintaining it.

But if my assessment is wrong then please enlighten me.

@exponentialmatrix
I think you will have more success if you contact the real devs on #devuan-dev at libera.chat like suggested by ralph.ronnquist in his earlier post, this forum doesn't seem to be where the real devs hang out.

@exponentialmatrix ralph.ronnquist suggestion seems sensible, proceed step by step, DUR requires 'easydeb', so first get 'easydeb' into Devuan, that way the fundamental requirement is available in the Devuan repos, after that it's only a matter of making the DUR repo an official part of Devuan.

I support this proposal, I tested easydeb last autumn (as documented in another thread here on this forum) and I found it easy to understand and very usable (not perfect, but no software is perfect).
The only reason I haven't used it again since, is lack of time, but if I have a need to package something again and find the time for it I will use it again.

@camtaf greenjeans is probably saying that the best Debian devs where the ones that left Debian because of systemd and they moved on to create Devuan instead.

There is probably some truth to it, no experienced and self respecting dev with Unix background would put up with such an abomination that systemd is.