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Ok, fsmithred, I didn't read your release notes before. Now I see that this is intended, but the packages increase the size of the image a lot. After removing them, I got a 466,7 MiB sized filesystem.
It contains the kernel .deb packages at /home/user/linux-6.10.9-686-pae, including headers and source.
Security is nessesary for privacy.
Security is complicated. Paraphrasing the Arch wiki, you can never make a system 100% secure unless you unplug the machine from all networks, turn it off, lock it in a safe, smother it in concrete and never use it.
Without updates microcode lots of CPUs have severely security problems.
The contents of the non-free part (i.e, the CPU-vendor-provided "opaque" update data) are unknown to debian. Why should I need to install them if the vendor doesn't tell me what bugs they're fixing? Debian argues that it's very difficult to know for sure whether you need a microcode update or not, but it is not safe at all to just ignore them or you could experience one of those unexplainable and infrequent issues.
Having both privacy and a libre distro will be complicated.
"Privacy is complicated". I find this a less misleading sentence
For what it's worth, I've never install any microcode update (whatever the company) and I never had any problems. However, it doesn't mean that I am not discouraged. But rather I would prefer to give a try to some of the existing libre bootloaders. The current controversy around them left me somewhat confused though.
I've modified hw-detect though (not tested yet):
Another possible solution:
I am using laptop inspition7537
It has the following audio controllers:
Haswell-ULT HD Audio Controller and 8 Series HD Audio Controller
This is an Intel Corporation audio device. What is the output of the lspci command? In my computer:
# lspci -knn | grep -iA2 audio
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation C600/X79 series chipset High Definition Audio Controller [8086:1d20] (rev 05)
DeviceName: Onboard Audio
Subsystem: Dell C600/X79 series chipset High Definition Audio Controller [1028:0496]
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
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03:00.1 Audio device [0403]: NVIDIA Corporation GF110 High Definition Audio Controller [10de:0e09] (rev a1)
Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation GF110 High Definition Audio Controller [10de:0780]
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
Do you have the same kernel driver in use? If so, try creating a file called /etc/modprobe.d/default.conf with this content:
options snd_hda_intel index=1
Then reboot. It worked for me.
Thanks for confirming. I thought the linux-libre kernel would most probably not load any of that anyway, but after the Debian policy change these matters have become a source of confusion.
You can verify this by the following way (you need to install check-dfsg-status):
# check-dfsg-status -s
No non-free or contrib packages installed on gnuinos! You have completed the first step to enlightenment.
Bear in mind that the forced use of packages.gnuinos.org in APT's sources.list during the installation makes sure not installing non-free firmware just because sections like contrib, non-free or non-free-firmware don't exist in this archive (only main, main/debian-installer...). As a result, the bad behaviour of hw-detect has no harmful side effects in the gnuinos-installer.
The kernel has been updated as well.
Btw, I'm updating the iso images with the last version of vdev that speeds up the boot process:
Does the gnuinos flavor of debian-installer load any non-free firmware? If so, that would probably be a bug to fix.
It has been reported that (some versions of) this script may be broken, leading to non-free firmware being loaded and installed no matter what the user chooses:
Hi prospero, the gnuinos flavor of debian-installer doesn't load any non-free firmware. But thanks anyway for the link to the check-missing-firmware.sh
Read the header of /etc/fuse.conf. I have the following setup (fuse is required by vdev):
# The file /etc/fuse.conf allows for the following parameters:
#
# user_allow_other - Using the allow_other mount option works fine as root, in
# order to have it work as user you need user_allow_other in /etc/fuse.conf as
# well. (This option allows users to use the allow_other option.) You need
# allow_other if you want users other than the owner to access a mounted fuse.
# This option must appear on a line by itself. There is no value, just the
# presence of the option.
user_allow_other
# mount_max = n - this option sets the maximum number of mounts.
# Currently (2014) it must be typed exactly as shown
# (with a single space before and after the equals sign).
#mount_max = 1000
i.e., you want to enable user_allow_other.
Generally a debconf dialog (set) is driven by a control script (typically an sh (dash) script) with successions of dialog building "commands", possibly in groups with intermediate decision logic. In this case it might be simply a single dialog for asking whether to use eudev or vdev, although designed so as to allow for expansion with further options. Then there would also be code for effectuating the choice at the appropriate time during an installation. I haven't thought about it in detail.
I think I can do that because I did something very similar in the past for i386 iso images giving choices between kernel with PAE or non PAE
I made a payment a few days ago but the process hung. I supposed that it was a glitch in the client area, so I did phone my provider and they told me that they would send me an invoice via email. The fact is that I never received that invoice; nevertheless, my website continued working on following days. This is why I supposed that the payment process did succeed. I'll have to ask my provider again on monday. Thanks for the information, prospero!
The good news is that today I got a tiny version of vdev working for the devuan installer. The challange is to build a vdev-udeb mini-package focused to d-i.
Hello Ralph
I've always found fsmithred to be polite & civil
I have had the great satisfaction of meeting fsmithred, and I testify to this.
In order to discard possible issues with kernel drivers/modules I've recompiled the image replacing linux-libre with the stock kernel of debian:
https://www.gnuinos.org/tests/debian-kernel/
There is also another minor change: the option modprobe.blacklist=pcspkr has been removed from the boot parameters.
On the other hand, can you say me what's the output of the command below in the various scenarios (including devuan live)?
$ lspci -k | grep -EA3 'VGA|3D|Display'
Thanks again for your patience!
DISCLAIMER: debian-installer probably won't work with debian's kernel because it's built with linux-libre, but we're interested on live sessions.
Then it's not a vdev issue. Good..., and what about this other image?
https://www.gnuinos.org/tests/
I've installed the following additional packages:
i965-va-driver
intel-media-va-driver
iucode-tool
mesa-va-drivers
mesa-vdpau-drivers
mesa-vulkan-drivers
xserver-xorg-video-qxl
Thanks for your help!
Please, can you try with this other image?
https://www.gnuinos.org/eudev/
It's the same xfce x86_64, but with eudev instead of vdev.
Thanks in advance.
I can't reproduce these errors in any of my computers. I wonder whether it's a vdev issue... Did you try with devuan live?
It works fine for me. However, there was a missing script /etc/sv/dbus/check in the openbox and xfce images. So, I recompiled and uploaded those images. Thanks for the advertisement!
simple-netaid-gtk has been released:
https://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple-netaid-gtk
Gnuinos images have been updated (except the plasma kde images) and now simple-netaid-gtk2 replaces to the ncurses interface simple-netaid-cdk.
Packages are available in Gtk2 and Gtk3 flavors:
Oui, please, stop bloating this forum with superfluous information. The list of your /usr/share/applications contents has no interest at all.
Both now boot fine into their respective DE/WM. I can also confirm that the xfce-runit image is booting fine, as expected.
Thanks for the info
I thought that xserver-xorg-video-all would install xserver-xorg-video-intel, but it doesn't. New images will be available in a few minutes
Done.
The Intel dri2 driver. I thought that xserver-xorg-video-all would install xserver-xorg-video-intel, but it doesn't. New images will be available in a few minutes. Thanks for your tests.
I've updated the JWM images.