18:13:51 <ElPresidente> quick question. in the netinstaller, it refers to OpenRC support as being experimental and requiring some manual configuration. what does it mean by "requiring some manual configuration?" last time i installed devuan it seemed to just work (until i moved to unstable for the fun of it and destroyed that VM)
18:14:12 <ElPresidente> additionally, is runit supported more than openrc? it doesn't have a disclaimer like openrc.
18:40:16 <xrogaan> not all daemon have openrc scripts available
18:40:23 <xrogaan> or was it for runit?
18:40:41 <xrogaan> IIRC, that's what it means.

19:56:38 <DPA> openrc can use sysvinit skript, and it usually works just fine. I haven't used runit yet, and don't know to what extent it's used/supported.

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00:01:16 <jonadab> Does anyone anywhere maintain a list of (current) hardware whose firmware does/doesn't give you @#$! about booting operating systems other than The Intended One?

00:01:43 <jonadab> I've had a devil of a time with the UEFI on my last system, am not looking to repeat that kind of experience.
00:08:41 <specing> jonadab: buy a computer with Coreboot/Libreboot/petitboot, then
00:09:19 <jonadab> Hmm, can I just throw that into a search on Amazon, for example?
00:09:27 <specing> no
00:09:50 <specing> coreboot and libreboot have a hardware support list (motherboards + laptops)
00:09:51 <jonadab> Yeah, looks like no. "Coreboot" gets me boots, in the footwear sense.
00:09:56 <jonadab> Ah.
00:09:59 <jonadab> THAT would be useful.
00:10:01 <specing> petitboot ships with raptorcs Talos
00:10:03 <jonadab> I'll look for that.
00:10:07 <jonadab> Thanks.
00:11:09 <specing> jonadab: you can also get something from Pine64 or the reform ARM laptop

01:18:27 <luser978> Normally selecting bios mode for booting makes things work jonadab . Uefi is not really needed for anything other than tpm secure boot afaik.

03:05:37 <daemon> hey all how would I install an old version of php on devuan and an old mysql/maria client
03:05:42 <daemon> php56 looking around
03:05:48 <daemon> do not really care which maria/mysql
03:16:42 <fling> radicale works when I start it by hand with su -m radicale and then radicale -D
03:16:46 <fling> but not via service
03:16:48 <fling> how to debug it?
03:16:55 <gnarface> daemon: php5 was last seen in jessie, which you might still be able to install
03:17:50 <gnarface> php7 is currently in beowulf. afaik there was never a php6
03:19:06 <gnarface> (if you can't get jessie to install, try installing beowulf then installing jessie into a chroot inside it)
03:20:08 <gnarface> fling: startup scripts operate with root permissions but not root's shell environment... sometimes not even the same shell (i think dash is the default now and it does cause known problems parsing bash)
03:20:25 <gnarface> fling: i'd check paths first, then check for bashisms in your script
03:20:29 <fling> nothing gets logged to syslog
03:20:49 <fling> syslog works but I see nothing when I stop start this particular service
03:21:00 <gnarface> hmmm
03:21:24 <gnarface> so the service script works when you run it by hand like "/etc/init.d/whatever start" ?
03:22:04 <gnarface> i assume you have the /etc/rc*.d/ symlinks in place?
03:22:11 <gnarface> and a proper LSB header block in the script?
03:22:16 <gnarface> and it's marked executable?
03:22:17 <fling> it says [ OK ]
03:22:21 <fling> but status reports not running
03:22:34 <gnarface> well what does "ps aux --forest |grep whatever" say?
03:22:40 <fling> empty
03:22:43 <gnarface> maybe the status check is just what is broken
03:22:44 <gnarface> ?
03:22:45 <gnarface> no?
03:22:47 <fling> no
03:23:00 <gnarface> hmm, script suspect
03:23:02 <gnarface> that should work
03:23:15 <gnarface> do you know any bash?
03:23:21 <fling> just install radicale and try yourself
03:23:23 <fling> it is tiny :D
03:23:33 <fling> I know bash
03:23:43 <gnarface> hmm, does the init script come with it or is this an init script you made yourself?
03:23:44 <fling> still not used to devuan init system
03:23:57 <fling> the initscript is from devuan
03:24:05 <fling> I've not edited it myself
03:24:19 <gnarface> does it refer to any files in /etc/default/ ?
03:24:51 <gnarface> sometimes you have to change a 0 to a 1 in there or something lke that
03:25:01 <gnarface> i'm not familiar with radicale but i'm not feeling like installing it right now to test
03:25:03 <fling> [ -r /etc/default/$NAME ] && . /etc/default/$NAME
03:25:14 <gnarface> yea find that file and read its contents
03:25:20 <gnarface> look for something like "uncomment this line to make it work!"
03:25:46 <fling> ok
03:25:46 <fling> radicale: error: unrecognized arguments: --daemon
03:25:51 <fling> should be -D instead of --daemon
03:25:57 <gnarface> heh
03:26:00 <gnarface> well that looks like an obvious bug
03:26:04 <gnarface> is this in beowulf?
03:26:31 <fling> still not starting btw
03:26:38 <fling> I think initscript is for version 2
03:26:50 <fling> but chimaera has 3
03:26:58 <gnarface> oh so you're on chimera?
03:27:03 <fling> yes
03:27:03 <gnarface> breakage may be expected then
03:27:12 <gnarface> you might want to file a bug report though
03:27:18 <fling> right
03:27:20 <gnarface> or just tell fsmithred
03:27:24 <gnarface> if he's here
03:27:26 <fling> fsmithred: hello
03:27:58 <gnarface> bug tracker is at
03:28:32 <fling> RADICALE_OPTS="--daemon"
03:28:40 <fling> initscript has it too
03:29:17 <gnarface> that seems like the type of thing that could have changed from beowulf to chimera but debian might not be be maintaining the init script anymore
03:29:40 <gnarface> if they are, the bug goes to their bug tracker, if not it goes to ours
03:30:12 <fling> they have version 2 there
03:30:48 <fsmithred> hi fling. What?
03:31:27 <gnarface> having a problem launching Radicale and there seems to be bugs in the initscript
03:31:28 <fling> fsmithred: radicale initscript is outdated
03:31:35 <fling> fsmithred: --daemon should be -D etc
03:31:54 <fling> there is something else off, the daemon is not starting but the app works when I run it by hand
03:33:15 <fsmithred> I don't generally mess with init scripts
03:33:55 <gnarface> what do we do about this one? do we report it to debian?
03:34:00 <fsmithred> isn't there something you have to do to register an init script with the system? Maybe that didn't get done.
03:34:27 <gnarface> hmm.... fling it would be interesting to know what sysv-rc-conf says about it, just to sanity check the symlinks
03:34:39 <gnarface> i don't see why that should need to be done unless this wasn't part of the package though
03:34:49 <fsmithred> gnarface, yeah bug report would go to debian.
03:35:02 <fling> gnarface: everything [ ]
03:35:20 <fsmithred> I was thinking maybe they removed something from the postinst script but left the init scripts in the package.
03:36:38 <fsmithred> fling, the empty space between the brackets means OFF for that runlevel
03:36:51 <fsmithred> arrow keys and space bar can fix that
03:37:02 <fling> sure
03:37:04 <fsmithred> most things run in 2-5
03:37:07 <fling> the initscript is not starting by hand
03:37:11 <fling> I will debug it later
03:37:43 <fsmithred> maybe compare init script to older version
03:37:48 <gnarface> the symlinks shouldn't need to be there for starting by hand but you might need to alter /etc/default/radicale
03:37:56 <fling> fsmithred: the initscript is for version 2 probably
03:38:00 <fling> fsmithred: but I have 3 installed
03:38:03 <gnarface> you might need to just fix paths
03:38:11 <fling> this too
03:38:14 <gnarface> since /usr/sbin/ and /sbin/ are no longer in root's path by default
03:38:19 <fling> I will look into it later
03:39:38 <fsmithred> for running the script manually, it might make a different whether you use 'su' or 'su -' to get root.
03:39:46 <fsmithred> different/difference

04:22:45 <sadsnork_> daemon, have you seen ? It has php 5.6, 7.0, 7.4, and 8.0 - I am currently using it successfully to install php v5.6 on beowulf with apache2.
04:38:56 <jonadab> luser978: The firmware on this workstation does not support BIOS-mode for booting. It does not support non-GPT anything. And it does not support booting to hard drive partitions that aren't Windows Boot Manager. It is basically distilled evil. This is what I don't want to get stuck with again.
04:39:33 <jonadab> I don't think it would even be possible to install, say, Windows XP on this system. If you wanted to for some reason. Or DOS. Or anything.
04:39:43 <jonadab> Well, "possible".
04:39:55 <jonadab> It's possible, it just requires tom-foolery.
04:44:45 <jonadab> As evidenced by the fact that I've been running Devuan on it for a couple of years.

06:54:06 <luser978> jonadab: we all have doorsteps
06:54:42 <luser978> jonadab: we all have doorsteps
06:54:42 <luser978> jonadab: we all have doorsteps
06:55:27 <luser978> jonadab: we all have doorsteps
06:55:38 <luser978> argh
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