09:25:19 <_abc_> Hi. Has anyone else had the DST change hour pass with no change in the clock? I have that.
09:27:22 <sleepingkirby> _abc_: check your locale on your machine. That's the last time I had that happen
09:27:43 <sleepingkirby> either the user's locale (time zone) was set incorrectly or the system's
09:27:46 <_abc_> The locale is okay. TZ is okay.
09:28:00 <_abc_> There should be a script run by cron which does this, no?
09:28:03 <sleepingkirby> what is the TZ?
09:28:06 <_abc_> That script is not installedon ascii.
09:28:26 <_abc_> sleepingkirby: does it matter? It was 30 minutes ago here.
09:28:33 <sleepingkirby> _abc_: it's not by cron, last I checked (someone feel free to correct me)
09:28:44 <_abc_> Interesting. Then what?
09:28:50 <sleepingkirby> it's calculated by time and timezone set
09:29:24 <sleepingkirby> so like UTC + timezone +/- dst consideration
09:32:13 <sleepingkirby> _abc_: https://www.unix.com/linux/252289-how-does-linux-handle-dst-daylight-saving-time.html
09:32:25 <_abc_> I know. The problem is, the systemd people rely on timedatectl for this, and we don't. And they tend to cripple systems which are "not like theirs", meaning, it is likely devuan suystems won't step time when it's needed.
09:33:31 <sleepingkirby> _abc_: I'm using devuan and it ticked right for me at DST prior to me moving out of the country
09:33:50 <sleepingkirby> now that I'm out of a DST timezone, it didn't ticked, which is also correct.
09:35:07 <sleepingkirby> you can also check by having the clock report to you the +- UTC
09:35:24 <sleepingkirby> so if you're in PST/PDT, it should read either -7 or -8
09:35:38 <sleepingkirby> which, I think right now should be -7
09:36:47 <sleepingkirby> _abc_: oh, also keep in mind that were you picked you are (which city) matters too
09:36:55 <sleepingkirby> I think arizona doesn't observe DST?
09:38:40 <sleepingkirby> yeah, just changed my timezone (running jessie here) got 5:43pm, which is correct
09:40:11 <DonkeyHotei> do people still keep their hardware clocks on non-UTC?
09:40:42 <sleepingkirby> DonkeyHotei: I think a lot of window users?
09:41:08 <DonkeyHotei> w10 has an option to keep it UTC
09:41:51 * sleepingkirby was just guessing
09:42:08 <sleepingkirby> Besides, if it has an option, that means people have an option not to.
09:43:21 <_abc_> So anyone on ascii and past dst shift time in Europe?
09:43:32 <_abc_> Where this is happening now? Did it shift? ascii?
09:45:21 <sleepingkirby> europe observer DST?
09:45:26 <sleepingkirby> *observes
09:46:01 <sleepingkirby> which countries?
09:46:20 <_abc_> Will become elective per country from next year or 2021
09:47:01 <sleepingkirby> sorry, let me rephrase that what timezone are you in?
09:47:13 <sleepingkirby> and that's the tz offset from UTC?
09:47:20 <_abc_> UTC+2 Eastern Europe. Actually +3 for DST
09:47:29 <sleepingkirby> (running ascii here)
09:48:21 <sleepingkirby> give me a city that I can set?
09:49:06 <sleepingkirby> _abc_ like moscow? vienna?
09:50:01 <_abc_> bucharest
09:51:39 <_abc_> DocScrutinizer05: you on devuan ascii?
09:51:51 * _abc_ knows DocScrutinizer05 was last seen in a pub but I had to ask
09:52:13 <_abc_> DocScrutinizer05: my dst clock was not updated at 0200AM, am curious if yours works. ascii here.
09:53:31 <sleepingkirby> _abc_: yep, I don't see it correctly. It says 2:58am on my clock
09:54:06 <_abc_> So they crippled it. systemd people cripple everything they touch in the kernel and user land libs.
09:54:22 <_abc_> Will have to read source to find the problem, don't know where to begin.
09:55:03 <sleepingkirby> yeah, sorry, can't help you there. It's weird that they would only for europe though
09:55:14 <sleepingkirby> still works find in the US timezones
09:55:23 * sleepingkirby is glad to not be in a DST timezone
10:00:49 <plasma41> What version of the tzdata package is installed?
10:01:28 <_abc_> Ok the time jumped at 02:59 -> 0400
10:01:52 <_abc_> So the programming is off by one hour, the data in the tzfile is correct (jump at 0200) but the jump occurred one hour later
10:02:18 <specing> looks correct to me
10:06:25 <sleepingkirby> _abc_: Just asked my wife (American) she says that, in the US, the change happens at 3am. So if you're leaping forward, it skips 3am. If you're falling back, it becomes 2am on 2:59
10:06:35 <sleepingkirby> so... blame the americans? >.<
10:06:49 <_abc_> I am not in murica! :)
10:07:55 * sleepingkirby still glad he doesn't live in a DST country
10:08:31 <sleepingkirby> though changing my timezone wiped out my custom datetme format string on my clock >.<
10:08:37 * sleepingkirby tries to remember what it was...
10:11:37 <sleepingkirby> _abc_: honestly, I just remembered that in one of my jobs, someone from europe had the same complaint. About systems updating DST incorrectly in Europe...
10:11:54 <sleepingkirby> and this was back before systemd took a hold of debian >.<
10:13:10 <_abc_> So the update occurred and now I know in which library to look for it.
10:15:22 <sleepingkirby> which library? I'm curious now.
10:20:20 <DonkeyHotei> sleepingkirby: it has never been at 3am anywhere in the usa
10:20:50 <DonkeyHotei> 2am is the hour that gets skipped, and 1am is the hour that gets repeated
10:21:02 <DonkeyHotei> always was
10:21:58 <sleepingkirby> Ahh, then my wife is wrong. Then the mystery continues, why did _abc_'s clock skip/fall back at 3am?
10:28:53 <_abc_> sleepingkirby: glibc which is called by strftime etc
10:29:57 <sleepingkirby> _abc_: wow, it's in the c library. Didn't think it ran that deep. Thank you
10:32:17 <DocScrutinizer05> _abc_: 02:59 -> 0400 ??? That's utterly wrong
10:33:44 <DocScrutinizer05> it's 1:59:59 ->3:00:00 and 2A:59:59 ->2:00:00
10:34:08 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
10:36:10 <_abc_> yes. And yet. Tell me how it goes in .de tomorrow. I want to sleep a little.
10:36:33 <_abc_> One thing: I'm on localtime clock. Maybe that's why.
11:59:27 <DocScrutinizer05> .oO(???)
17:01:29 <gnarface> i'm thinking the problem was localtime settings for _abc_
17:01:32 <gnarface> that's just a guess
17:01:37 <gnarface> but usually people doing that are dual-booting
17:01:55 <gnarface> so that introduces the opportunity for both operating systems to change the clock in conflicting ways between reboots
17:02:39 <gnarface> there is a way to set tzdata to assume the hardware clock is localtime, but windows or osx might both still mangle it in some cases (they used to anyway)
17:03:02 <gnarface> with later versions of windows though, there is some way to make it play nice with hardware clocks stored in utc
17:03:10 <gnarface> at least, i've heard that. i don't know how to make it do it
17:03:56 <gnarface> either way, if you set the bios time to localtime and tzdata is assuming it is utc, things might still get weird ...
20:42:12 <_abc_> Hi. Reading refracta2usb docs, I see it says it will NOT copy mods to a running live system to the target. This is for 2.3.6 . Is this true? I remember it copes WITH the mods? Is there a flag for this or an option? Still reading.
20:48:27 <_abc_> fsmithred: hi. Take a look when you can, please. I'll be around several times today.
20:48:35 <_abc_> Around here.
21:15:15 <_abc_> I found 2.4.1 references on the site. The old readme is still valid? I'll dig deeper as I read myself into the matter.
21:26:06 <fsmithred> _abc_, correct. It copies filesystem.squashfs, not the running system.
21:26:48 <fsmithred> also note, if you make a live-usb from a live-usb, the paths in the boot menu will need to be edited.
21:27:00 <fsmithred> Either add or remove a directory level. I forget which.
21:27:32 <_abc_> Say again, the paths in the boot menu will not be correct? Good to know.
21:27:46 <_abc_> Is there a way to copy the set up live system with all settings? I
21:27:46 <fsmithred> yeah, they're close
21:28:02 <_abc_> assume one can "fake" it with some loop mount? It is dangerous and
21:28:04 <fsmithred> not an intended way to do it
21:28:14 <_abc_> will copy in running files etc which need manual cleaning but I think
21:28:18 <_abc_> I can wing it?
21:28:34 <fsmithred> not fully awake here, but maybe create a new snapshot to a loop mount and then use that???
21:29:03 <_abc_> fsmithred: no problem, get some sleep, I'll be here tonight my time, that's in like 5+ hours.
21:29:18 <fsmithred> since it's set up to copy from fielsystem.squashfs, there no need to exclude anything
21:29:40 <fsmithred> if you copy from running system, you'll need to exclude the things that should not exist in a system that's not running.
21:29:48 <_abc_> Yes, I can see how that can backfire. I've copied systems by hand before, no problem, I think I know what to omit. Most of the time.
21:30:11 <_abc_> Also manually cleaned out run files and all the usual things one does not want in the new syste,
21:30:12 <fsmithred> sys proc dev tmp mnt...
21:30:46 <fsmithred> look at the rsync commands in refractasnapshot or refractainstaller
21:30:51 <_abc_> Have the guys from linuxcnc.org and #linuxcnc contacted you about making a live distro using refracta2usb?
21:30:56 <fsmithred> sorry, exclude lists
21:31:17 <_abc_> fsmithred: yes I will. I have planned to get much more familiar with rsync since we last talked like last year?
21:31:49 <_abc_> rsync can do mirroring and reverse mirroring over ftp, right?
21:32:17 <fsmithred> I don't know anything about rsync over ftp
21:32:32 <fsmithred> rsync can go in both directions (push or pull) by itself
21:32:37 <fsmithred> or over ssh
21:32:37 <_abc_> Yeah I'll find out. I use lftp for mirroring now, been doing that for nearly 10 years.
21:32:50 <_abc_> It sometimes drops the ball with recursion and such.
21:33:07 <_abc_> Will try to switch to rsync or another mainline tool soon
21:33:23 <_abc_> fsmithred: encryped loop boots are okay usually with r2u?
21:33:33 <_abc_> Also is there a more recent readme than 2.3.6 ?
21:33:36 <fsmithred> boots?
21:33:58 <_abc_> Encrypted loop fs debian/devuan etc
21:34:26 <fsmithred> r2u can create encrypted loopback file for persistence
21:34:28 <_abc_> used with r2u. I read the readme, there's an example setup there I might use as template, we'll see. But I would like to know if there are snags or problems with this at all?
21:34:45 <_abc_> fsmithred: sure, but does it work cleanly at present?
21:34:53 <_abc_> In 2.4.1 ?
21:34:56 <fsmithred> that does
21:35:09 <_abc_> This is not a priority but I will try one system like that, use it later.
21:35:11 <fsmithred> encrypted loopback file has been working for a few years
21:35:30 <_abc_> I have to do with some locusts who steal everything they can lay hands on in IP.
21:35:36 <fsmithred> and I haven't messed with that for a long time, so it should still be good
21:35:48 <_abc_> Good to know. I knew this but sometimes certain versions are known to have little bugs and snags, so I asked.
21:36:03 <_abc_> So no contact from linuxcnc?
21:36:19 <fsmithred> maybe they looked at the code and changed their minds
21:36:27 <_abc_> I dropped a hint there several times about the advantages of using r2u for a live boot / installable linuxcnc release.
21:36:39 <_abc_> Did not "catch" so far, apparently.
21:37:34 <_abc_> Okay. So 2.4.1 is latest and 2.3.6 is the most recent readme, and applies to 2.4.1 ? Or should I read the source for extra options? The release notes seem to imply nothing massive changed from 2.3.6 to 2.4.1. in the options and menus areas. Correct?
21:38:01 <fsmithred> yeah, lemme check the changelog for the latest. Not a lot changed.
21:39:27 <fsmithred> * Set root's path to include sbins for Buster/Beowulf.
21:39:44 <fsmithred> and updated files for patch_initrd
21:40:08 <fsmithred> which is for making the first partition read/write for user
21:40:32 <fsmithred> and allowing the persistent loopback file to be on the first partition (I think it still does that)
21:41:10 <_abc_> Yes. I need it on another partition though. Are all versions of windows "unable" to see a second or higher partition even if that is vfat32?
21:41:35 <_abc_> Vista and XP at least cannot see the extra partition(s) if there's an ext2 or anything like that in between.
21:41:57 <fsmithred> don't know.
21:41:59 <_abc_> Also they are chronically unable to see multiple partitions on usb sticks. Is there a registry hack for this perhaps?
21:42:28 <fsmithred> maybe. I haven't used it since XP was still supported.
21:42:29 <_abc_> Basically a r2u made stick with N partitions on it, will have a fat32 1st partition, visible to windows, and all the others not
21:42:45 <fsmithred> yeah, that's been my experience
21:42:48 <_abc_> I'd like the 1st visible partition to NOT be the r2u one, but a dummy one.
21:42:58 <_abc_> So what's the business of putting in an extra boot loader?
21:43:10 <fsmithred> change it to grub and you can do that
21:43:29 <_abc_> Change it how? Instead of syslinux?
21:43:49 <_abc_> I mean there's an option called ALTERNATE BOOT LOADER in the docs
21:44:08 <_abc_> this then uses a chain b/l where one manually selects what to boot?
21:44:21 <_abc_> Or does it honor the set bootable flag on a non -1st partition?
21:44:22 <fsmithred> it's not in the script
21:44:26 <fsmithred> have to do it manually
21:44:37 <_abc_> You mean add grub2 ?
21:44:43 <fsmithred> first, make sure to leave 2mb free space at beginning of usb
21:44:46 <fsmithred> yeah
21:44:56 <fsmithred> alternate uses install-mbr
21:45:11 <fsmithred> I don't think that can do what you want
21:45:14 <_abc_> How do I make sure I have 2mb free? create partition then delete it?
21:45:31 <fsmithred> if your snapshot has uefi support, you'll already have a grub menu that will work
21:45:44 <fsmithred> start the first partition 2mb in
21:45:49 <_abc_> I do not use uefi, legacy systems with hardware hanging off of hw ports.
21:46:06 <_abc_> fsmithred: ah, and still call it "1st" right?
21:46:17 <fsmithred> then you'll need to create /boot/grub/grub.cfg in first partition
21:46:26 <fsmithred> oh, not necessarily first
21:46:51 <_abc_> Hm looks like I'll need to read more on grub
21:46:57 <fsmithred> grub can deal with config to be anywhere
21:48:00 <_abc_> So how about this partition plan: 1st_part: 2mb in, as dummy, vfat32, visible to windows; 2nd: vfat32, bootable, root for r2u install; 3rd: ext2, data and loopfs images
21:48:28 <_abc_> Will r2u work if the 1st partition is not the "root"? Or should I fake the name and then edit it and edit the boot scripts.
21:49:04 <fsmithred> not sure if syslinux needs to use first partition or not. I know it needs vfat and needs boot flag.
21:49:33 <_abc_> Ok, more testing to be done. I will do this, I will dedicate one evening/night to it.
21:50:08 <fsmithred> to install grub: grub-install --boot-directory=/boot /dev/sdX
21:50:40 <fsmithred> with /boot/grub/grub.cfg on same partition as the system
21:53:58 <_abc_> Yeah I get it. Okay, maybe talk to you in a couple of hours. I am just collecting information and setting up the plan and the time to allot now, won't be doing real work today.
21:54:14 * _abc_ had a flu like thing and needs some r&r
21:54:21 <fsmithred> ok. let me know what you find out.
21:54:28 <fsmithred> oh, I've got it now
21:54:48 <fsmithred> trying to get well before I fly to AMS on tuesday
21:54:52 <fsmithred> head cold
21:55:17 <_abc_> Oh the flu? Be careful and do not hesitate to go for antivirals like acyclovir if needed, the flu is nasty and can leave you witl months of headaches and low stamina plus muscle pain and so on.
21:55:31 <fsmithred> acyclovir won't help with flu
21:55:55 <_abc_> I do not know. I think one of the antivirals does help. To prevent too much damage, not to make it shorter.
21:56:04 <fsmithred> well, it might keep you from getting a cold sore
21:56:08 <_abc_> I am not into self medication.
21:56:15 <fsmithred> tamiflu or something like that
21:56:28 <_abc_> fsmithred: avoiding nerve damage and encephalitis is more of a priority.
21:56:35 <_abc_> Yes tamiflu maybe.
22:04:34 <ErRandir> _abc_: you'll probably want a partition for swap as well.
22:05:34 <ErRandir> ok, your choice :)
22:06:08 <_abc_> Why would you swap on a usb stick?! ErRandir have you done this before?!
22:07:25 <ErRandir> Yes I have done this. If you have a swap partition and don't need it that's fine. The other way around and you're suddenly in a bad position.
22:07:45 <_abc_> One can put in a new stick in another hole and use it as swap if needed.
22:08:00 <_abc_> Swap is a really bad idea for speed reasons and also for security.
22:08:06 <_abc_> Unless encrypted swap.
22:10:12 <_abc_> Why would anyone use ext3fs on a crypto loopfs?! ext2 is not preferred?
22:16:10 <gnarface> _abc_: did you figure out the issue with your clock?
22:16:48 <_abc_> gnarface: yes, it stepped one hour too late. instead of 0200am->0300 it stepped at 0259->0400
22:17:00 <_abc_> gnarface: I spent one hour looking for solutions, to no avail
22:17:14 <_abc_> the tzfile dump shows it is to step at 0200
22:17:36 <gnarface> i just figured it might have been a complication with localtime in the bios and some other os you might have been dual-bootin
22:17:40 <gnarface> dual-booting
22:17:46 <_abc_> This reminds me I now need to set about 10 devices. One by one as I find them.
22:18:03 <_abc_> gnarface: the other os was not dual booted into for about half a year
22:18:18 <_abc_> gnarface: also this system is in sleep when off, so not even it has rebooted in a long long time
22:18:21 <gnarface> well it was just a theory
22:18:57 <gnarface> tzdata should specifically ask, i thought, whether your bios is in localtime or utc
22:19:08 <gnarface> or maybe that was ntp
22:19:19 <gnarface> but either way, if you tell it one but do the other, that could cause weird issues too
22:19:42 <gnarface> newer versions of windows i've heard can support utc now, but it might require a registry change
22:21:21 <_abc_> I read some BSD source for strformat iirc and it made several mentions to hacks in the glibc version at option %Z which is the tz related one.
22:21:33 <_abc_> It is easily possible that something odd is going on there.
22:21:46 <_abc_> In my version of glibc and in combination with running on local time.
---------- 2019-03-31 ----------
01:19:16 <KatolaZ> asbesto: back on IRC?
01:20:52 <asbesto> back? I never left, BIATCH
01:54:50 <Ji-eF[m]> Can anyone point me to the package that contains certtool, please ?
01:55:38 <mns`> Ji-eF[m]: gnutls-bin
01:56:00 <Ji-eF[m]> woot, thanks mns`
01:56:23 <mns`> Ji-eF[m]: no problem :)
01:58:26 <Ji-eF[m]> wow, the backtick in your nickname made my Matrix client to display things in some unusual manner :D
02:02:31 <gnarface> that seems dangerous
02:33:46 <_abc_> What the HELL http://www.devuan.org/pwned.html
02:35:10 <KatolaZ> _abc_: we are working on it :(
02:35:11 <buZz> april fools?
02:35:33 <KatolaZ> buZz: I bad one, since none of the devs knows about it...
02:35:34 <_abc_> KatolaZ: got it. Again: ascii tracks stretch?
02:35:56 <KatolaZ> _abc_: do you think this is the moment to ask such a question?
02:36:19 <_abc_> Yes, I keep forgetting. Is it stretch or wheezy? Idiotic release names should contain a number too.
02:36:35 <_abc_> Sorry, doing things now, can't help you, don't know how, about the site.
02:36:41 <gnarface> it is stretch
02:45:11 <helios21> Best of luck regarding the pwning.
02:45:17 * helios21 is sad about the attack
02:45:41 <_abc_> I would be sadder if they pwned the repos for a while before putting up the crap logo, and someone got a trojaned iso
02:55:58 <specing> _abc_: maybe they did
02:56:16 <specing> security update for ssh, now with backdoor :)
02:56:31 <_abc_> People should make a HABIT out of putting the sha256 sums file on ANOTHER server than where the images are.
02:57:10 <_abc_> I've yet to see someone implementing this. Even as a howto text, one line in the file. "check the sha256sums using the sha256sums file downloaded from ANOTHER mirror than this one"
02:58:01 <_abc_> Placing the sums file in the same place with the items to be downloaded is completely useless. The http/ftp etc transports already check for file size, checking "integrity" with sha sums is completely useless, sum(1) is much faster
02:58:26 * _abc_ awards a -1 points for security on a scale from 0 to 11
02:58:39 <KatolaZ> _abc_: your reasoning is totally borked
02:58:45 <_abc_> Is it now?
02:58:49 <KatolaZ> the security of SHASUMS is guaranteed by the signature
02:58:53 <KatolaZ> done with gPG
02:59:03 <KatolaZ> and checked with the corresponding key
02:59:11 <_abc_> Oh god. Yes, and what if they changed those too since they're on the same server?
02:59:21 <KatolaZ> changed what?
02:59:23 <KatolaZ> my own key?
02:59:28 <KatolaZ> jaromil's one?
02:59:29 <_abc_> Average user downloads, checks sha256 against file provided, installs
02:59:47 <specing> _abc_ is correct
02:59:48 <_abc_> Nobody cares about your key, the user will be reassured the sum matches what he just got from the same site
03:00:10 <specing> and _abc_ is also correct that the gpg public keys are not accessible in multiple locations
03:00:24 <_abc_> Plus no-one bothers usually
03:00:25 <KatolaZ> specing: they are on public key servers...
03:00:33 <specing> KatolaZ: anyone can upload there
03:00:53 <KatolaZ> anyone can use the same key to sign my emails as well?
03:00:58 <KatolaZ> or jaromil's?
03:01:09 <KatolaZ> ok, got better things to do
03:01:16 <KatolaZ> will leave you to your murmurations
03:02:45 <specing> there are hundreds of key servers, have you uploaded devuan signing key to each and every one?
03:03:04 <gnarface> gpg doesn't work like that
03:03:10 <gnarface> there are two keys
03:03:15 <gnarface> a public and a private one
03:03:17 <specing> gnarface: the public part
03:03:19 <specing> of course
03:03:22 <gnarface> you sign with the private one, and you upload the public one
03:03:32 <specing> one person raised the issue of building all packages on the same server
03:03:40 <specing> I have not looked into this issue, yet
03:03:45 <KatolaZ> specing: on which server exactly?
03:03:50 <gnarface> it would be pretty difficult to make a forged public key that would match anyone's locally stored copy visually
03:04:00 <gnarface> my suggestion is to find an example
03:08:13 <MinceR> lol @ deface
03:12:53 <MinceR> (april fools?)
03:13:04 <bluemarlin> i sure hope so
03:13:17 <skyroveRR> So when is the site getting restored?
03:13:24 <MinceR> maybe on the second
03:13:38 <skyroveRR> Where's the server located?
03:16:31 <skyroveRR> MinceR: ?
03:16:52 <MinceR> i don't know
03:17:05 <MinceR> but if it's an april fools joke, i'm guessing it would be gone on april 2nd
03:19:26 <_abc_> whois 18.104.22.168 will tell you where the server is located
03:19:53 <_abc_> Paris, France, OVH nets
03:20:32 <_abc_> No, belongs to Sistemi Domotici from IT
03:20:35 <_abc_> The block
03:21:07 <_abc_> 22.214.171.124 that is, which is what devuan.org resolves to now
03:21:28 <bluemarlin> MinceR: if this is april fools joke and that email from Jaromil on mailing list is part of it - i consider this a really bad taste.
03:21:49 <_abc_> Oh I missed the fact today is April 1st
03:21:56 * _abc_ feels fooled.
03:23:07 <mns`> It's not a nice prank :(
03:23:44 <gnarface> i dunno either way i think the gopher theme is funny anyway
03:23:56 <Ji-eF[m]> Anyone knowledgeable with ngircd and SSL (and services stop/start)? Without SSL, the command `service ngircd start` starts the server OK. Enabling SSL, starting the service fails, but manually starting (ngircd --nodaemon) works.
03:23:59 <ashleyk_> try it with a gopher client :)
03:25:23 <Ji-eF[m]> ngircd Devuan package is compiled with GNUtls support if that helps
03:27:41 <_abc_> ashleyk_: it's a trap!
03:31:42 <asbesto> the HELL
04:36:33 <asbesto> http://www.devuan.org/pwned.html <--- that's MADNESS
04:39:25 <roo^y> i was sent that link. it's the reason this channel has my attention. Now i've just been sent a twitter link that @DevuanOrg posted
04:40:10 <sodastab> https://twitter.com/DevuanOrg/status/1112437646666711046
04:40:20 <Wonka> April Fool's Joke?
04:40:43 <sodastab> *checks date* yeah probably
04:40:59 <sodastab> hope they keep the gopher site up
04:42:05 <asbesto> problem is - we can't acces to GIT anymore
04:42:11 <asbesto> so it's more than an april's fool :(
04:42:39 <Tom-_> oh so it's not just me that can't access github.com
04:42:53 <Tom-_> firefox wouldn't load it, but chromium did.... i missed youtube-dl.org
04:44:16 <roo^y> why'd you lose all the pre-2016 data on your myspace site?
04:44:17 <va7lnx> Tom-_: you looking to download youtube videos?
04:44:38 <Tom-_> yeah, i got youtube-dl working though, thanks :)
04:46:32 <DonkeyHotei> roo^y: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/18/18271023/myspace-music-videos-deleted-2003-2015-server-migration
04:46:42 <va7lnx> I use a firefox plugin for that
04:46:48 <va7lnx> and the web does suck.
04:48:03 <roo^y> en.savefrom.net is somewhat alright for grabbing vids
04:50:01 <va7lnx> https://technologyto.com/extractor.html
05:30:06 <Jookia> Hi, when will the main site be restored?
05:31:01 <KatolaZ> Jookia: we are working on it
05:31:52 <Jookia> It's an april fools thing isn't it?
05:34:34 <va7lnx> gopher site works :)
05:34:53 <Jookia> it's a lot less accessible
05:35:21 <va7lnx> that is true
05:35:34 <va7lnx> does gopher have an equivalent to "post" or is it just a one-way medium?
05:35:52 <KatolaZ> va7lnx: gopher://pkginfo.devuan.org
05:36:01 <KatolaZ> they also put there a search engine for devuan packages :\
05:36:24 <Jookia> Who made it that way?
05:36:46 <va7lnx> someone really put some thought into that.
05:37:42 <tuxd3v> Green Hat... they mean greed RedHat
05:37:48 <watchcat> i like the new look. i vote keep it.
05:38:04 <Jookia> Please no
05:38:32 <watchcat> at least the gopher.
05:38:54 <Jookia> Is there a mail list or repo or something for whoever did this?
05:38:59 <Jookia> I want to email them
05:39:01 <va7lnx> does gopher had SSL capabilities?
05:39:26 <va7lnx> mind you, I guess you could just use stunnel
05:40:03 <tuxd3v> Does any one knows the real address of devuan.com?
05:40:20 <tuxd3v> ould this be a dns attack and not on the site?
05:40:27 <KatolaZ> tuxd3v: devuan.com is not devuan.org
05:40:40 <tuxd3v> yeah sorry
05:41:23 <Jookia> Who runs the website?
05:41:54 <tuxd3v> 126.96.36.199?
05:42:22 <KatolaZ> Jookia: that's Devuan's server
05:43:17 <Jookia> KatolaZ: Aren't you involved in the website hosting?
05:45:01 <watchcat> i guess i'll just call devuan 'green hat' from now on. has a nice irish sound.
05:45:09 <roo^y> "all publicity's good publicity" :P
05:45:36 <va7lnx> KatolaZ: so they got to the domain registrar, not the web server?
05:45:45 <KatolaZ> va7lnx: no way
05:45:48 <KatolaZ> the DNS is fine
05:45:52 <va7lnx> oh. okay.
05:45:55 <KatolaZ> and it's pointing to all the correct servers
05:46:38 <va7lnx> www.devuan.org. 600 IN A 188.8.131.52
05:46:47 <watchcat> guys, puhleeze. no doubt in my mind this is a joke.
05:46:49 <va7lnx> just in case, that's what I'm getting back
05:46:59 <va7lnx> watchcat: I think you are right. :)
05:47:04 <KatolaZ> that;s correct
05:47:08 <va7lnx> nobody would put that much effort in to pown a website.
05:47:56 <KatolaZ> watchcat: if it's a joke, it's a bad one :\
05:49:03 <Jookia> it's a meta joke done by katolaz probably
05:49:15 <redrick> By an odd coincidence, I've been trying to plant the rumour that EFF will replace HTTPS Everywhere with new codebase Gopher Everywhere in early April, thanks to their chief computer scientist Lirpa Loof.
05:49:47 <watchcat> lirpa loof :D
05:50:31 <Jookia> it would just be nice to get an ETA when the main site gets back
05:50:37 <redrick> I got an enter local-to-me mailing list convinced that I was serious.
05:52:35 <tuxd3v> www.devuan.org. 600 IN A 184.108.40.206
05:52:41 <tuxd3v> and the repos?
05:52:52 <tuxd3v> are this one?
05:52:53 <tuxd3v> 220.127.116.11
05:53:12 <KatolaZ> tuxd3v: repos are not affected
05:53:21 <KatolaZ> the machine was not compromised
05:53:24 <redrick> s/enter/entire/ (need more coffee)
05:53:45 <Jookia> was this done with consensus or just by katolaz
05:54:56 <roo^y> some say these guys https://i.imgur.com/zenFToY.jpg
05:54:58 <tuxd3v> probabloy they entered with 'nobody' user..
05:57:03 <fsmithred> Jookia I think anything that's been done so far has been done by whoever could get hands on it first, and that behavior is by consensus.
05:57:54 <Jookia> fsmithred: what do you mean?
05:57:56 <KatolaZ> fsmithred: jaromil knows nothing, Centurion_Dan knows nothing, rrq just woke up and known nothing, Evilham is still booting up his computer :(
05:58:08 <KatolaZ> none of us can access any of the machines
05:58:21 <KatolaZ> except from d1galaxy, pkgmaster, and amprolla
05:58:34 <Jookia> KatolaZ: So are you saying you didn't do this
05:58:35 <ralpheeee> is the website down?
05:58:40 <fsmithred> yeah, I just answered Jookia because it sounded like he thought you were acting on your own.
05:58:47 <fsmithred> I misunderstood
05:59:06 <fsmithred> no, Jookia, KatolaZ would not sabotage his own project
05:59:21 <fsmithred> he's one of the main devs
05:59:36 <KatolaZ> yeah, I would kick myself out of the infra *just for fun*...
05:59:45 <Jookia> So, you didn't do this?
05:59:46 <KatolaZ> gotta go, we are trying to talk to the provider now
05:59:48 <tuxd3v> from d1galaxy you have no access to those server?
05:59:52 <fsmithred> 'cause you're just sitting around with nothing to do
05:59:56 <KatolaZ> will update you
05:59:58 <fsmithred> thanks
06:00:26 <redrick> KatolaZ: Courage and thanks. Trying to think of ways I can help without running afoul of Brooks's Law.
06:00:41 <Venker> hi people
06:01:03 <tuxd3v> can any one access from:
06:01:03 <tuxd3v> d1galaxy, pkgmaster, and amprolla
06:01:09 <tuxd3v> to the afected sites?
06:01:35 <KatolaZ> no tuxd3v
06:01:41 <tuxd3v> in anny way
06:01:44 <tuxd3v> possible?
06:02:10 <tuxd3v> database users
06:02:12 <Jookia> KatolaZ: It really looks like you did this as an april fool's joke considering you're big in to gopher
06:02:13 <KatolaZ> tuxd3v: what do you think I have been trying to do in the last 5 hours?
06:02:55 <tuxd3v> I think you are trying anything possible
06:03:04 <tuxd3v> I am just giving Ideas
06:03:11 <tuxd3v> and I know its frustrating
06:03:22 <KatolaZ> thanks tuxd3v
06:03:26 <KatolaZ> I appreciate that
06:04:04 <tuxd3v> does you have access do managment console of those servers?
06:04:12 <tuxd3v> idracs, hilos
06:04:18 <KatolaZ> we are trying to get hold of that
06:04:21 <tuxd3v> you welcome bro!
06:05:03 <Venker> is this a joke?
06:05:04 <Jookia> KatolaZ: can you just say 'No I didn't do this'
06:05:31 <KatolaZ> Jookia: how many times should I say that?
06:05:43 <Jookia> KatolaZ: I didn't see you say it at all, so just once to me would be fine
06:05:51 <tuxd3v> KatolaZ is a respectable person
06:06:04 <Jookia> Can you link me to a log of you saying it
06:06:16 <tuxd3v> you can't even access the repos
06:06:21 <KatolaZ> Jookia: No I didn't do it
06:06:24 <KatolaZ> are you happy now?
06:06:26 <Jjp137> isn't that basically implied by what's being going on here in the past few hours and what's said on the DNG mailing list
06:08:17 <watchcat> we will all know on april 2.
06:08:27 <_abc_> Well they timed it right, for Sunday April 1st
06:08:34 <tuxd3v> <Jjp137>, What do you mean
06:08:36 <_abc_> Nobody reachable to take it down.
06:09:05 <redrick> Back when I was first in IT in the 1980s, if $FIRM had server downtime, the junior department member got posted to the server room door to intercept the parade of people walking up and wanting briefings -- so that other IT staffers could fix the problem.
06:09:08 <ralpheeee> wanted to finally try devuan ...tbh joke or no joke ...confidence has totally tanked from my perspective
06:09:09 <_abc_> Translated: they had the door open before, and just made this happen today imo. Translation2: if you downloaded ANY isos from the main webpage check them again.
06:09:31 <_abc_> redrick: nice job
06:09:58 <KatolaZ> redrick: devuan servers are not in my living room....
06:09:58 <_abc_> ralpheeee: lol? The website is related to the distro how?
06:10:21 <_abc_> ralpheeee: you are so funny. Some isp/web hosting related problem occurred. Patience till tomorrow.
06:10:22 <redrick> KatolaZ: Bien sur.
06:10:36 <ralpheeee> this is "basic" infra structure
06:10:38 <tuxd3v> <Jjp137>, What do you mean, by the mailing lists?
06:10:40 <_abc_> Monday things will be restored, humans will be around etc
06:10:48 <_abc_> ralpheeee: it does not run on devuan.
06:11:04 <redrick> KatolaZ: I was basically trying to indirectly say 'Hey, give our esteemed Devuan folks some breathing room and enough with the questions.'
06:11:15 <Jjp137> tuxd3v, here: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190331.191104.169aaf9a.en.html
06:11:17 <Jjp137> and so on and so forth
06:12:17 * roo^y screams "EVERYONE PANIC!!", *runs next door & kills his neighbor's cat*
06:12:39 <ralpheeee> well if you folks can take devuan seriously hats off to you folks
06:13:12 <roo^y> s/devuan/systemd/
06:13:29 <watchcat> thank, ralpheeee u 2
06:13:52 <redrick> ralpheeee: Are you going to keep trying until you get a rise out of someone? Asking for a friend.
06:14:38 <roo^y> maybe narcissist day falls on another date
06:16:51 <unixman_home> Why would one lose confidence in a distribution over a web site crack? That sort of thing happens all the time. Heck, I'd be more worried about a repository crack in, which has happened to other distributions over the years. :)
06:17:15 <watchcat> cough mint cough
06:17:41 <redrick> In Mint's case, the distro itself was compromised.
06:17:53 <tuxd3v> roo^y: find a girl, or a good porn movie to entertain yourself..
06:17:58 * roo^y doesn't want to take his unnecessary commentary to the #devuan_april-fools channel
06:18:20 <roo^y> gaslighter left
06:19:03 <Jookia> sha1 fingerprint of website TLS is AC:59:5A:2D:37:C6:8E:10:18:F8:DC:CD:D5:01:3A:D2:7D:AA:C8:0B
06:19:16 <redrick> These sorts of Web-site incidents do underline the importance of, among other things, gpg-signed checksums for ISOs.
06:19:36 <redrick> Which Devuan is good about, and many distros are not.
06:23:12 <redrick> https://pastebin.com/1dX5XG7W
06:26:38 <se7en> Nice april fools joke guys
06:26:47 <se7en> You should keep gopher up tho
06:29:02 <redrick> watchcat: In Linux Mint's case, the www.linuxmint.com host got rooted for several hours, during which trojaned ISOs with matching md5sume files were posted by the intruder. After the incident postmortem, Mint finally starting gpg-signing the ISO checksums, but hadn't until then.
06:30:18 <redrick> That was 2016-02-20. Partial disclosure here: https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994
06:30:56 <tuxd3v> yeah I remember very well that, with Clem been very patient and working 2 days or so without sleep
06:31:17 <redrick> Never heard what the vector for site compromise was, but the cynic in me says 'Well, WordPress....'
06:32:06 <watchcat> yep. i'll just pass on discussion of mint, since i have low regard for the entire organization. 'nuff said.
06:33:08 <tuxd3v> Guys does the SSL certificate on the Site is valid?
06:33:25 <tuxd3v> I mean if its from devuan
06:33:32 <Venker> Hang on, admins! :-)
06:34:02 <Venker> I believe in this project
06:34:36 <redrick> watchcat: The fun one to go through was this, and I didn't want to say at the time that the embarrassed firm was my employer VA Linux Systems: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Security/breakin-without-remote-vulnerability.html
06:34:44 <tuxd3v> Everybody with good intentions and been a lover for Free software and respect believe in the project
06:36:33 <redrick> watchcat: In that case, a kid stole a developer ssh password at a university site for access to shells.sourceforge.net, cracked root there, replaced /usr/bin/ssh with a trojaned copy, and waited to see if VA Linux sysadmins were dumb, which they were:
06:37:26 <redrick> Some yob on the staff ssh'd from corporate into the host (harmless), but then scp'ed a file back into corporate (stupid).
06:38:35 <redrick> Moral of story: Mustn't expose your ssh credentials on a host you don't have full confidence in. shells.sourceforge.net, being a public shared host, was risky.
06:40:27 <watchcat> they shouldn't have been using passwords anyway.
06:40:58 <redrick> watchcat: Stolen private key and passphrase is not any less stolen.
06:42:00 <redrick> There's always someone who claims using keypairs fixes credential theft, when it just doesn't.
06:42:41 <redrick> I'll hasten to add that I was not the yob in question. I worked in a different department.
06:49:11 <Venker> Are backups affected, too?
06:54:53 <_abc_> So the answer is yes? I can't help but notice that GREEN HATS RHYMES WITH RED HATS
06:55:14 <_abc_> Which may point at who was behind this.
06:56:03 <_abc_> Or just be more smoke.
06:56:18 <tuxd3v> I think you are in the right track..
06:56:27 <tuxd3v> the same criminals has ususal..
06:56:44 <_abc_> No way to know. False flag is very likely.
06:57:51 <tuxd3v> don't believe in false flag, when that only damage foes you do it..
06:58:10 <tuxd3v> A false flag pretends to get something
06:58:15 <tuxd3v> which is not the case..
07:02:11 <Venker> 'Green hats' is too obvious, unless this was planified to seem a joke instead of a real attack
07:04:42 <tuxd3v> Yes to obvious
07:05:04 <tuxd3v> but who, exactly?
07:05:20 <tuxd3v> that's the problem..
07:06:43 <Venker> Fear, uncertainty and doubt
07:06:45 <tuxd3v> OVH should habe ips of conections made to the site, when it was takn off
07:06:57 <tuxd3v> habe -->have
07:07:47 <tuxd3v> also they can block ssh trafic to the servers..
07:15:58 <tuxd3v> And why devuan..
07:16:23 <tuxd3v> Its a free software organization, with lots of cultural values..
07:18:25 <_abc_> Because red hats are considered more free and better organized?
07:18:41 <Venker> for being unruly to Hydra mainlines
07:20:49 <watchcat> spoze this was a real pwnjob. you'd have a topic change. you have a guy here assuring everyone it's being worked on. in fact, it even would have been fixed by now. conclusion: lirpa loof did it.
07:21:52 <KatolaZ> watchcat: we have said several times we are working on it
07:22:13 <KatolaZ> we have got contact with the customer service of the provider
07:22:27 <KatolaZ> we are trying to get back access to the consoles
07:23:11 <KatolaZ> I just sent an update on DNG
07:29:35 <Venker> The last tweets from the official Devuan account are legit?
07:34:04 <KatolaZ> Venker: which tweets?
07:36:16 <targz> KatolaZ: 3 in the last hour
07:36:17 <Venker> "[...] we'll have a fresh campfire and time to plan next moves, hopefully aligned with the #GreenHat hackers, who are now our new overlords."
07:37:02 <Venker> https://twitter.com/DevuanOrg/status/1112476085244096513
07:38:28 <Venker> those texts, in somewhat way, admit defeat
07:40:07 <redrick> Venker: I don't speak for Devuan Project in any way, but it seems to me those tweets reflect a sense of humour while waiting for the hosting provider to help with access to regain control.
07:40:18 <KatolaZ> Venker: what can you go against Green Hat Hackers?
07:40:46 <KatolaZ> https://idle.slashdot.org/story/19/03/31/212227/devuanorg-now-points-to-pwned-page-with-gopher-urls
07:40:53 <KatolaZ> it's even on shashdot!
07:41:15 <Venker> redrick: it could be
07:44:29 <KatolaZ> if anybody can help finding a clue
07:44:50 <KatolaZ> they asked us to focus on the last line of the pwned page
07:44:55 <KatolaZ> "BOTH 7779847 AND 1554080659 ARE PRIME NUMBERS"
07:45:17 <Venker> I'm looking for help
07:45:24 <KatolaZ> please Venker
07:45:31 <KatolaZ> thanks for your support
07:45:46 <Venker> you are welcome ;-)
07:46:48 <meandrain> hi, guys can you tell me (and point me to some direction) how you deal with packages that require systemd? Do you have some kind of wrapper or you use older versions of those packages?
07:47:16 <KatolaZ> meandrain: packages that require systemd are banned
07:47:27 <KatolaZ> those which require libsystemd or libpam-systemd still work
07:47:33 <DonkeyHotei> https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt
07:47:51 <meandrain> thank you! I'll start from there
07:48:04 <Venker> KatolaZ: a user suggests it could be refering to p and q in RSA cypher
07:48:39 <KatolaZ> we tried that but no success
07:48:48 <KatolaZ> they are too small as p and q
07:49:26 <redrick> KatolaZ: They may have asked you to concentrate on that question, but as an SA I'd concentrate on the traditional ones: How was entry and compromise accomplished, how to rebuild/restore, how to prevent recurrence.
07:50:19 <KatolaZ> redrick: they really insisted on that line though
07:50:34 <redrick> Sometimes you cannot determine answer to the first question in reasonable time, so you attend to basics, issue new credentials, study and tighten as you can.
07:50:34 <Venker> Did you find any cyphered message or file?
07:50:40 <KatolaZ> so there must be something in those two numbers
07:50:57 <roo^y> Mind your Ps and Qs is an English language expression meaning "mind your manners", "mind your language", "be on your best behaviour", "watch what you're doing" or similar -Wikipedia
07:51:06 <redrick> KatolaZ: Sure, but do you-plural really care? If it were my site, I wouldn't.
07:51:43 <DonkeyHotei> also, what roo^y said
07:54:20 <redrick> In 2005, I had defacement of my site front page because I'd stupidly had index.html writable by www-data and a bug in Apache2 got exploited. I overreaced and assumed root compromise in error, and rebuilt. Figured that part out later. http://linuxmafia.com/news.html
07:55:27 <redrick> (That was back before I said 'Screw PHP; I'm not going to expose it at all to public netwworks any more.')
07:56:04 <tuxd3v> redrick, agree
07:56:27 <KatolaZ> redrick: some of the comments on /. actually suggest a way through
07:57:00 <zeph1ro> @KatolaZ, what do u mean too small? the example at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_(cryptosystem) seems to be giving back a valid public/private key... that might be used to ssh into the system
07:57:20 <redrick> I still run /usr/bin/php5 from some cron jobs to generate static HTML, though. It turned out, lazy coders including yr. humble servant had treated page sets as dynamic when they didn't need to be.
07:58:00 <redrick> KatolaZ: Having a look at /.
07:58:18 <tuxd3v> KatolaZ,
07:58:20 <tuxd3v> root@desktop0:~# date -d @1554080659
07:58:20 <tuxd3v> Mon 1 Apr 02:04:19 WEST 2019
07:58:36 <tuxd3v> its a timestamp..
07:58:42 <KatolaZ> oh really!?!
07:58:53 <KatolaZ> and what about the other one?
07:59:01 <snookiex> *pretends to be shocked*
07:59:06 <zeph1ro> gms@roger:~$ date -d @7779847
07:59:06 <zeph1ro> mer 1 apr 1970, 02.04.07, CET
07:59:09 <zeph1ro> same...
07:59:32 <zeph1ro> dude... good night, i gotta work tomorrow
07:59:39 <KatolaZ> that was the first April's fool in the Unix Era!
07:59:48 * KatolaZ hides away
08:00:27 <KatolaZ> actually, i guess they work better in UTC
08:00:45 <redrick> I'm trying to find the /. comments in question, but, seriously, if the host is (or is probably) root-compromised, then best practices is to rebuild.
08:00:51 <KatolaZ> 70/4/1 1:4:07
08:00:59 <KatolaZ> 19/4/1 1:4:19
08:01:24 <KatolaZ> redrick: date -d @7779847
08:01:30 <KatolaZ> date -d @1554080659
08:01:35 <DonkeyHotei> $ date -ud @7779847
08:01:35 <DonkeyHotei> Wed Apr 1 01:04:07 UTC 1970
08:01:44 <DonkeyHotei> $ date -ud @1554080659
08:01:44 <DonkeyHotei> Mon Apr 1 01:04:19 UTC 2019
08:02:28 <tuxd3v> but why 12 minutes diference?
08:02:36 <DonkeyHotei> seconds
08:02:48 <tuxd3v> thanks yes that is..
08:03:16 <KatolaZ> 01:02 < KatolaZ> 70/4/1 1:4:07
08:03:16 <KatolaZ> 01:02 < KatolaZ> 19/4/1 1:4:19
08:04:45 <va7lnx> stack exchange is having April Fools day fun: https://superuser.com/questions/346958/can-the-telnet-or-netcat-clients-communicate-over-ssl
08:04:54 <Venker> if you substract both numbers, the resulting timestamp is
08:04:59 <Venker> $ date -ud @1546300812
08:04:59 <Venker> mar ene 1 00:00:12 UTC 2019
08:05:09 <KatolaZ> good job Venker
08:05:37 <DonkeyHotei> 49 years and 12 seconds
08:06:05 <KatolaZ> bad maths roo^y
08:06:12 <Venker> but why the 1st of january...?
08:06:32 <Venker> (I'm just trying combinations)
08:06:40 <DonkeyHotei> april, not jan
08:06:48 <KatolaZ> Venker: april
08:07:05 <Venker> ene = jan
08:07:37 <DonkeyHotei> because you subtracted, so it ceased to be a date
08:08:00 <Venker> I tried ^_^U
08:08:21 <tuxd3v> it was when time started to be counted on unix systems
08:08:44 <tuxd3v> root@desktop0:~# date -ud @0
08:08:44 <tuxd3v> Thu 1 Jan 00:00:00 UTC 1970
08:08:55 <tuxd3v> but the 12 seconds..don't get it..
08:09:08 <DonkeyHotei> Venker: if you take the unix time of today and subtract the unix time of a year ago today, then convert that to a date, guess what month it'll be
08:09:29 <KatolaZ> tuxd3v: not all numbers are prime numbers...
08:14:02 <Venker> 1554080659-7779847=1546300812. Which is Tue Jan 1 00:00:12 UTC 2019
08:14:06 <Venker> not April
08:14:20 <tuxd3v> January
08:14:42 <Venker> and still the same 12 seconds
08:14:48 <DonkeyHotei> Venker: if you take the unix time of today and subtract the unix time of a year ago today, then convert that to a date, guess what month it'll be
08:18:08 <tuxd3v> root@desktop0:~# date -ud @$(bc<<<'1554080659-1554080659')
08:18:08 <tuxd3v> Thu 1 Jan 00:00:00 UTC 1970
08:18:22 <tuxd3v> they are limits
08:19:02 <tuxd3v> this gives the exact timestamp '0'(zero)
08:19:15 <tuxd3v> no more 12 seconds
08:19:31 <tuxd3v> I messed it up
08:19:38 <KatolaZ> tuxd3v: :D
08:19:41 <desperek> these are unix timestamps
08:19:58 <desperek> 1 apr 1:04 today gmt and in 1970
08:20:16 <tuxd3v> loolroot@desktop0:~# date -ud @$(bc<<<'1554080659-7779847')
08:20:16 <tuxd3v> Tue 1 Jan 00:00:12 UTC 2019
08:20:41 <desperek> you are doing it wrong
08:21:11 <desperek> the numbers alone
08:22:48 <abcabc__> one hopes that NO keys or pwds were shared by any of the devuan devs between main site and repo/other hosts. Right KatolaZ ?
08:23:15 <KatolaZ> abcabc__: have you had a look at those numbers?
08:23:53 <abcabc__> no. Why?
08:24:12 <desperek> isnt the answer 7 or 49?
08:24:19 <KatolaZ> the key is there
08:24:21 <KatolaZ> desperek: much easier
08:24:28 <abcabc__> They're primes, no? And nix dates.
08:24:34 <desperek> its today 1:04 gmt
08:24:36 <desperek> and in 1970
08:24:36 <KatolaZ> 01:05 <KatolaZ> date -d @7779847
08:24:36 <KatolaZ> 01:05 <KatolaZ> date -d @1554080659
08:24:58 <desperek> the difference is 49 years
08:25:02 <desperek> and 7 is sqrt of 49
08:25:03 <abcabc__> i saw that.
08:25:10 <desperek> 7 is also a prime number
08:25:22 <KatolaZ> it's today
08:25:48 <abcabc__> numerology?
08:26:41 <desperek> also the port to gopher is 70
08:26:46 <tuxd3v> Port 70
08:27:15 <desperek> difference between the dates is exactly 49 years
08:27:18 <KatolaZ> today abcabc__
08:27:23 <KatolaZ> yes desperek
08:27:28 <desperek> sqrt of 49 is 7 and 70 is the gopher port
08:27:33 <KatolaZ> 'cause this year unix turns 50...
08:28:10 <Venker> any of your devs is 49 or 50?
08:28:26 <abcabc__> gopher is a cool name, go far.
08:28:51 * abcabc__ is 51 i think
08:29:06 <DonkeyHotei> if you take the difference of Oct 9 2011 and Oct 9 2010, then convert it to a date, it will be Jan 1 too
08:30:01 <desperek> ALSO 1:04 is 1st of April
08:30:05 <desperek> cus april is the 4th month
08:30:14 <DonkeyHotei> because the difference between two dates is not itself a date
08:30:24 <KatolaZ> 70/4/1 1:04:07
08:30:38 <KatolaZ> 19/4/1 1:04:19
08:30:41 <desperek> it makes more sense in a normal date format
08:30:57 <DonkeyHotei> they are palidromes
08:31:03 <DonkeyHotei> they are palindromes*
08:31:06 <desperek> oh yeah then yes
08:31:20 <tuxd3v> 19 + 07
08:31:21 <desperek> well, not exactly palindromes i would argue
08:31:37 <tuxd3v> 1970/04/01
08:32:15 <desperek> maybe the answer is 2000?
08:32:23 <desperek> ok nvm that
08:33:50 <tuxd3v> 1970/04/01 1:04 - 19:07
08:34:21 <KatolaZ> desperek: the answer is today
08:34:28 <desperek> like the word today?
08:34:41 <KatolaZ> no today like today
08:35:02 <tuxd3v> between 1:04 and 19_07?
08:35:38 <desperek> well, go for it then maybe? idk
08:35:49 <desperek> or unix
08:35:52 <desperek> or april fools
08:35:57 <desperek> or unix april fools :D
08:36:50 * KatolaZ looks at desperek and thinks "I like this chap..."
08:36:51 <desperek> yea this truly is a magical date tbh
08:37:17 <desperek> :p i've got to go to sleep soon though :D
08:39:26 <desperek> i was also thinking of doing and on sole numbers but i dont think this would be the answer
08:39:50 <KatolaZ> desperek: you are done
08:39:53 <KatolaZ> the answer is today
08:39:54 <desperek> just that the binary form of it is kinda palindrome
08:40:08 <desperek> KatolaZ, no, but is it really like the answer that's accepted and all or not :e
08:40:43 <desperek> well, anyways, good night
08:40:59 <tuxd3v> any way how to we know that the answer is correct?
08:41:16 <redrick> 'Good night, Westley. I'll probably kill you in the morning.'
08:42:06 <KatolaZ> thanks redrick
08:42:15 <KatolaZ> 12 hours is a whole lot of time ;)
08:42:40 <redrick> Princess Bridge quotations while you wait.
08:42:48 <redrick> Er, Bride.
08:43:01 <redrick> Dammit, where's that coffee?
08:43:06 <KatolaZ> hehehehe
08:44:08 <Venker> I'm gonna leave, too
08:44:13 <Venker> Forza, admins!
08:45:04 <redrick> Buona notte!
08:45:54 <redrick> A domani, even.
08:46:01 <KatolaZ> SYL redrick
08:46:09 <redrick> Ta-ta.
08:46:16 <KatolaZ> beware of green hats...
08:47:09 <tuxd3v> right now they are blue hats
08:47:27 <redrick> på gjensyn.