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2019-03-31
19:19:11 <mns`> by this time, i hope the devuan domain have been pointed to another server ...
19:19:30 <KatolaZ> mns`: have a look at /.
19:19:48 <KatolaZ> and at the calendar
19:22:11 <mns`> Is it a april fools joke?
19:23:20 <KatolaZ> mns`: date -d @1554080659
19:23:32 <mns`> because I'm not laughing
19:23:35 <mns`> i saw that
19:25:15 <opal> glad to see devuan has switched to gopher Kappa
19:31:35 <golinux> mns`: I'm not laughing either
19:38:13 <bluemarlin> you sure those two primes aren't a hint - like you should construct private key from them and access the servers?
19:39:03 <KatolaZ> bluemarlin: date -d @1554080659
19:50:49 <se7en> So is this or is this not a joke by devuan
19:50:57 <se7en> Or is it by a malicious hacker for april fools day
19:51:34 <se7en> KatolaZ:
19:51:40 <KatolaZ> se7en: wazzup?
19:51:55 <se7en> is this a joke by Devuan or is it by a malicious actor for april fools day
19:52:02 <se7en> I know of hacking groups hacking websites for april fools day
19:52:02 <KatolaZ> $ date -d @1554080659
19:52:15 <se7en> Yeah, I know
19:52:19 <KatolaZ> se7en: do you have any contact with green hat hackers?
19:52:28 <se7en> I have never heard the term befoee
19:52:44 <se7en> I am just unsure if this is a joke by Devuan or if it is by another party
19:52:52 <KatolaZ> $ date -d @1554080659
19:52:52 <bluemarlin> i would expect them to operate from underground irish pub though
19:53:03 <se7en> KatolaZ: yeah I know
19:53:09 <se7en> [17:51 se7en@lappy ~] > date -d @1554080659
19:53:11 <se7en> Sun Mar 31 18:04:19 PDT 2019
19:53:13 <se7en> April Fools Day
19:53:20 <se7en> But is it by you
19:53:22 <KatolaZ> bluemarlin: you never know, it could be from a lagune
19:53:22 <mns`> by now, i guess its a 'inside job' joke
19:53:23 <se7en> or is it by a hacker
19:53:42 <KatolaZ> se7en: the pwned page says "Green Hat Hackers"
19:54:02 <KatolaZ> so it must be form some hacker of sort
19:57:33 <KatolaZ> bluemarlin: if anybody asks, just tell them `date -d @1554080659`
20:00:15 <se7en> KatolaZ: you need to add a -u to that
20:00:40 <KatolaZ> se7en: I just need a good sleep ;P
20:02:48 <Tazy> good jolly, even set up a gopher server.
20:04:01 <bluemarlin> KatolaZ: enjoy sleep, you got a twisted sense of humor :)
20:08:25 <roo^y> sorry to spam, but it was working fine before i ruined it with -u (or where exactly does the -u go)
20:08:45 <roo^y> date -d @7779847
20:08:45 <roo^y> Wed Apr 1 11:04:07 AEST 1970
20:08:45 <roo^y> date -d -u @7779847
20:08:45 <roo^y> date: the argument ‘@7779847’ lacks a leading '+';
20:08:45 <roo^y> when using an option to specify date(s), any non-option
20:08:46 <roo^y> argument must be a format string beginning with '+'
20:08:46 <roo^y> Try 'date --help' for more information.
20:09:23 <Tazy> too bad only the main site is accessible ;)
20:09:52 <roo^y> i got a flooding warning, so i'm not sure if my 7 lines posted. i'll leave it at that
20:12:44 <redrick> roo^y: Your seven lines of wisdom were transmitted.
20:15:39 <redrick> -u is for UTC. (I for one welcome our Greenwich overlords.)
20:16:13 <redrick> Not that there's anything wrong with AEST.
20:17:31 <redrick> Though in many ways, truth is longitude-dependent, you may perceive.
20:18:57 <Jjp137> roo^y, try: date -ud @7779847
20:19:57 <redrick> I mean, if I observed AEST, at teatime it'd be the previous night, and that would never do.
20:20:05 <roo^y> ok. we go back to AEST in a week. currently at the end of AEDT, after summer
20:20:44 <roo^y> date -ud @7779847
20:20:44 <roo^y> Wed Apr 1 01:04:07 UTC 1970
20:20:58 <roo^y> this works!
20:21:34 <redrick> Welcome to Greenwich. There's a pedestrian tunnel to the Docklands for your convenience.
20:21:54 <roo^y> niiiiiiiice
20:22:08 <redrick> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich_foot_tunnel
20:23:48 <redrick> roo^y: The AEST -> AEDT changeover date was presumbly earlier in 1970, FWIW. Date calculations are a special kind of hell for coders.
20:25:27 <roo^y> i wrote these 6 lines to answer repeated questions
20:25:43 <roo^y> It was worked out as typing the following into the terminal, populates april fools days
20:25:43 <roo^y> date -ud @1554080659
20:25:43 <roo^y> Mon Apr 1 12:04:19 UTC 2019
20:25:55 <roo^y> date -ud @7779847
20:25:55 <roo^y> Wed Apr 1 11:04:07 UTC 1970
20:25:55 <roo^y> *note: the 4mins can represent Apr, & 19secs represent year. 70secs can't be populated, so 7secs is the next best thing
20:25:57 <redrick> Et voila.
20:26:16 <watchcat> .oO(green wich... green hat... another clue...)
20:26:52 <redrick> Εύρηκα! So to speak.
20:27:45 <redrick> I was hoping it'd be questions like 'What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?'
20:30:02 <watchcat> i propose that hencforth, the gopher should be the official devuan mascot.
20:30:38 <redrick> And Minnesota the official Devuan Place to Not Go on Holiday.
20:31:26 <redrick> (The protocol was named for the U. of Minnesota's mascot, in case the joke was too obscure.)
20:32:20 <Dsbeerf> so those iso can be compromised ?
20:34:23 <roo^y> Dsbeerf: the ISOs are safe (unlike the incident that happened to linux mint several yrs ago
20:34:58 <Dsbeerf> roo^y, ok that what i was refering to
20:35:04 <redrick> Dsbeerf: It's worth learning how to check gpg signatures on ISO checksums, then you wouldn't need to ask.
20:35:14 <mns`> golinux: :|
20:35:21 <watchcat> http://www.bakingdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/caddyshack-gopher.jpg
20:35:55 <Dsbeerf> redrick, i admit
20:35:55 <redrick> https://pastebin.com/1dX5XG7W
20:36:08 <redrick> (URL illustrating how.)
20:36:24 <Dsbeerf> redrick, thanks
20:36:31 <redrick> Seriously, worth picking up the knack.
20:38:12 <redrick> The one bit of humbug in that transcript is where I skip over how I found the signing key.
20:46:07 <redrick> I Web-searched around and found references to that key, chose to believe conditionally that the mentions weren't fraudulent, and fetched it from a keyserver. More ideally, one would be able to verifying key authenticity using gpg web of trust, but I evidently need to attend more keysignings for that.
20:47:13 <redrick> Back in the 1990s, when the Linux community was small, we used to joke about keysignings letting us play 'Six degrees of Ted T'so.'
20:48:40 <redrick> Anyway, even if signing key verification's a weak point, it's IMO always worth trying to vet ISO checksums.
21:14:15 <Dsbeerf> yeah well is more that nothing
21:21:11 <redrick> Well, it'd require a heck of a plan to get away with having a bogus key in the public keyservers for e-mail address repository@devuan.org, especially for significantly long.
21:24:56 <redrick> Huh, just checked my verification transcript, and saw that the SHA256SUM file was signed with KatolaZ's key, not the Primary Devuan signing key.
21:25:57 <redrick> But, anyway, as you say, a lot better than nothing.
21:35:49 <Ryushin> Are the Devuan servers that got hacked VMs or physical hardware?
21:38:12 <benjikun> is this a meme
21:39:13 <furrywolf> is your question nonsensical?
21:40:02 <benjikun> seems like a brash april fools joke
21:40:33 <xrogaan> It is.
21:40:47 <benjikun> alright, thanks lol
21:41:08 <Leander> this 1st april thing has to die
21:41:15 <Ryushin> From the Devuan team or the hacker group? Not so sure about it being from the Devuan team.
21:41:36 <xrogaan> At least they're not going political: https://www.tuxfamily.org/en/news/2019040100
21:41:57 <xrogaan> Ryushin: there is no green hat.
21:43:14 <opal> thanks for trolling me
21:43:29 <opal> im gullible v.v
21:43:37 <Ryushin> Well, reading on #devuan-dev, they don't seem to be impressed.
21:43:42 <benjikun> time to actually start using gopher again :^)
21:44:00 <Ryushin> Lets go back to 300 baud BBS.
21:44:04 <opal> gopher doesnt strike me as well-engineered; imo we just need a slimmed-down http
21:46:20 <plasma41> opal: like HTTP/0.9?
21:47:38 <opal> not sure. i definitely think http/2 and beyond are too geared toward webapps, hacks upon hacks, to be any good
21:48:03 <opal> a lot of http/1.1+ headers for security can probably be easier managed with saner browser defaults, idk
21:48:22 <furrywolf> I've been really tempted to write a news article about Trump and Pelosi's surprise marriage announcement for tomorrow.
21:48:38 <opal> i think content security policies are their own brand of complexity that could cause as many issues as the things theyre trying to prevent
21:49:06 <opal> i think anyone would agree that information such as useragent and referer are entirely arbitrary to keep in the protocol
21:49:06 <plasma41> I like that both Gopher and HTTP/0.9 are stateless protocols. No cookies
21:49:22 <opal> cookies/auth is a good point
21:49:33 <opal> do you think all of http should be authless and stateless
21:49:56 <opal> im trying to move my stateful stuff off of the web browser. i use mail in its own client, irc obviously, xmpp
21:50:05 <plasma41> auth: yes. all other forms of state: no
23:55:03 <Beerbaron23> The website is now a GopherH0le!!
---------- 2019-04-01 ----------
01:25:26 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.devuan.org/pwned.html yeah! ;-P
01:38:05 <guido_g> glad you mentioned it, noone else did in the last 24h
01:46:08 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed, I'm really fast today ;:-)
02:07:54 <KatolaZ> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.070222.844cb081.en.html
02:12:02 <watchcat> yay. it just seemed to be too funny and benign to be real. :)
02:26:14 <ralpheeee> lost me as an end user ...good luck !
02:27:08 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
02:27:19 <DocScrutinizer05> @ ralpheeeeee
02:28:32 <DocScrutinizer05> KatolaZ: excellently pitched and designed. And good "PR noise"
02:29:36 <MinceR> well played
02:29:41 <KatolaZ> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.070222.844cb081.en.html
02:33:04 <DocScrutinizer05> KatolaZ: one thing that gave it away for me (after I bothered to really investigate) was the rewrite, no hacker would go to such length to establish a defacing
02:43:33 <detha> All I can say is 'not funny'
02:56:28 <watchcat> hey but can we really adopt the caddyshack gopher as devuan mascot now?
02:57:41 <guido_g> stupidity at it's best
02:59:04 <GoatAvenger> is/was the Devuan crack legitimate?
02:59:12 <GoatAvenger> Or was/is it an april fools joke?
03:01:10 <watchcat> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.070222.844cb081.en.html
03:06:05 <GoatAvenger> April fooolsss...
03:06:11 <GoatAvenger> :)
03:07:13 <ruenoak> I do like the ascii art
03:12:01 <watchcat> somebody needs to make ascii art of a gopher wearing a green hat.
03:19:30 <DocScrutinizer05> it should wear a red hat, just because...
03:26:31 <ruenoak> Does anyone if the Devuan Conference will be recorded at all? I would love to go but sadly I live at the bottom of the globe and it's a bit far.
03:35:26 <KatolaZ> ruenoak: it will be streamed and recorded
03:39:31 <ruenoak> Fantastic!
03:58:09 <sauvin> Can anybody comment on https://www.devuan.org? Has it really been pwned?
04:00:21 <Unit193> sauvin: You might want to look at the date, https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.070222.844cb081.en.html
05:05:30 <mss> is the current state of the devuan.org a joke or did the site really get pwned?
05:05:49 <KatolaZ> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.070222.844cb081.en.html
05:25:30 <_abc_> So, is everything back to non green hat normal?
05:28:40 <KatolaZ> _abc_: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.070222.844cb081.en.html
05:30:25 <DocScrutinizer05> >> It all works, but it limits Linux processes to a mere 512GB of virtual address space. Such limits are irksome to the kernel developers when the hardware can do more, and, besides, somebody is likely to release a web browser or office suite which runs into that limit in the near future.<<
05:31:03 <DocScrutinizer05> https://lwn.net/Articles/106177/ Posted Oct 14, 2004
05:40:48 <djph> wait, what
05:41:33 <djph> 512GB (Virtual) Address Space is a limit ?
05:41:40 <_abc_> KatolaZ: poisonne` en Avril...
05:44:05 <DocScrutinizer05> stackoverflow.com makes me puke. I hope this is an april's fool
05:44:59 <DocScrutinizer05> mousepointer throwing candy for sure is
05:50:46 <rafalcpp> it seriously lacks animated background
05:52:45 <_abc_> Everyone pulled out all stops for April's fool day. Why? Halloween was meh.
06:48:04 <Ulrar> Congrats on the new site, I like it
06:48:33 <Ulrar> I wonder how many people will get it
07:42:56 <premoboss> hello, i have problem with date. i am located in italy, now it is 14:39 but the clock report +2 hours, I try to select the location with tzselect, but no way. also try to use command "date" to set the clock, but no way. what am i doing wrong?
07:45:38 <rrq> I always have to go to "man tzselect" to remember it, you should do: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
07:46:11 <nailyk> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190331.191104.169aaf9a.en.html is that true ?
07:46:53 <buZz> nailyk: read -all- the emails
07:47:36 <buZz> specifically ; https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.070222.844cb081.en.html
07:47:44 <nailyk> so it was a time stamp problem :p
07:47:52 <premoboss> rrq, i done, but:
07:47:59 <buZz> nailyk: just read the link
07:48:02 <premoboss> Current default time zone: 'Europe/Rome'
07:48:09 <premoboss> Local time is now: Mon Apr 1 16:44:55 CEST 2019.
07:48:16 <premoboss> Universal Time is now: Mon Apr 1 14:44:55 UTC 2019.
07:48:29 <premoboss> so, the time is still +2 hours.
07:48:34 <nailyk> thks buZz ;)
07:48:43 <rrq> premoboss: yes, CEST is +2 right now .. according to my tzdata as well
07:48:57 <buZz> premoboss: apt install ntpdate; ntpdate ntp.xs4all.nl
07:48:58 <buZz> or something
07:49:01 <premoboss> ok, but now, in itali, is 14:46
07:49:11 <premoboss> not 16:46
07:49:40 <premoboss> so, or italy dont follow CEST time rule ot tzdata os wrong about italy.
07:49:58 <premoboss> buzz i do.
07:50:08 <buZz> premoboss: you have your system on UTC, and in the wrong time
07:50:23 <buZz> you configured the UTC of your system to the correct time in italy
07:50:30 <premoboss> buZz, how to set my tine the right one?
07:50:45 <buZz> ntpdate with correct TZ selected should already fix it
07:51:19 <premoboss> BANG! gone ok. thanks.
07:52:11 <premoboss> on otyer side, to be 1 hour ahead gave me always on time at meetings:)))
08:15:45 <Y_Plentyn> hm. is it still possible to register for the devuan conference? and how?
08:16:08 <Jookia> Who did the april fool's joke?
08:18:28 <buZz> Jookia: someone with bad taste
08:19:56 <Jookia> https://devuan.org/os/team/ says a 4/5 consensus is required for major decisions
08:20:31 <Evilham> not the case I'm afraid
08:21:09 <Jookia> so katolaz did this on their own?
08:21:36 <tuxd3v> I am a bit sad, it went so far..
08:22:40 <tuxd3v> At least they could have done something like
08:22:54 <tuxd3v> StackOverFlow did
08:22:55 <tuxd3v> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3817750/how-to-convert-date-to-unix-timestamp-in-shell-script-on-macos
08:23:13 <Evilham> Jookia: I didn't say that
08:23:42 <Jookia> Evilham: no, i'm just assuming based on the circumstances
08:23:59 <Jookia> will we ever know who did it
08:24:14 <buZz> well, KatolaZ was first to deny it was a april fools
08:24:21 <buZz> and the only one i've seen defending it
08:25:41 <Jookia> but then they also said it was an april fools joke
08:25:49 <Jookia> in the email
08:26:15 <KatolaZ> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.132526.1a220dc3.en.html
08:27:25 <buZz> KatolaZ: was there really 4/5 concensus for this joke?
08:27:33 <buZz> consensus*
08:28:27 <buZz> already numerous ppl that moved away from devuan over it :)
08:29:01 <gnarface> i think anyone who didn't realize it was a joke as soon as there was no javascript in that html and wasn't willing to wait until after april fool's to jump ship probably is dangerously irrational anyway
08:29:06 <KatolaZ> wow, so faithful devuan users we have...
08:29:23 <gnarface> i mean gopher, really?
08:29:23 <KatolaZ> anyway, it's all explained in the email
08:29:26 <KatolaZ> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.132526.1a220dc3.en.html
08:29:39 <buZz> gnarface: well, ppl that administrate many servers dont usually kid around with such security issues
08:29:59 <Jookia> gnarface: the devuan infrastructure admins were saying they were hacked and denying it was an april fools joke
08:30:18 <gnarface> well, i'm not one of them, but i did say that might not be taken well
08:30:20 <buZz> admin* , i havent seen anyone 'back' the joke at all, beside KatolaZ
08:30:27 <Jookia> i don't think it's fair to say they're dangerously irrational for believing it
08:30:36 <gnarface> i was silent about it when i should not have been
08:30:50 <buZz> even 1 hour of actually hacked could mean millions of backdoored systems
08:31:28 <Jookia> katolaz apologized and that's about all that can be done
08:31:52 <Jookia> but its just kinda weird to me that one person can make such huge modifications to a trusted server like that
08:31:52 <gnarface> real villains would definitely have put tracking scripts on that page
08:32:14 <desperek> KatolaZ, aaaaaa!
08:32:35 <buZz> its just beyond bad taste, imho
08:32:45 <Jookia> like if someone stole katolaz's ssh keys could they actually hack the site
08:32:56 <desperek> you also need a password for ssh Jookia
08:33:02 <Jookia> ssh session then
08:33:22 <desperek> i dont think you can stole ssh session
08:33:33 <Jookia> it's a little bit scary to think that there's not a barrier with oversight for the entire website
08:33:45 <Jookia> not just the contents but also the infrastructure itself
08:34:45 <Jookia> usually with tech projects you see websites in github with merge requests handling changes
08:34:46 <buZz> well, infrastructure wasnt affected, all pkg mirrors etc were still up
08:35:17 <Jookia> i guess it is here: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www
08:35:33 <Jookia> but they changed the website without going through that review? idk
08:39:40 <Jookia> also does devuan use debian's repos with its own packages on top? or its own entire mirrors
08:40:34 <Evilham> former
08:41:23 <debdog> Y_Plentyn: do not know myslef but all you need to know should be in this thread: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/thread/20181126.195746.a575f370.en.html
08:41:58 <KatolaZ> debdog: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190401.132526.1a220dc3.en.html
08:42:54 <debdog> KatolaZ: sorry, I do not understand?
08:43:38 <gnarface> Jookia: mostly redirects from debian mirrors (because most packages so far are not changed)
08:44:39 <Jookia> Is there a list of changed packages?
08:45:26 <gnarface> uh.. yea somewhere...
08:45:37 <debdog> Jookia: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt
08:45:53 <gnarface> no that's the banned packages
08:46:23 <debdog> oh, assumed they were basically the same
08:46:39 <gnarface> no those are ones that need to be forked still to just work
08:46:48 <gnarface> so they're currently excluded
08:47:40 <gnarface> there is somewhere in the gitlab you should be able to get the list, but also if you just search for "devuan" in pkginfo.devuan.org, all the forked packages have devuan* in the version string
08:50:27 <gnarface> KatolaZ: well, you made the front page on Slashdot, so mission accomplished, i guess
08:54:47 <buZz> could have done that with actual news
08:54:59 <buZz> like 'devuan moving to gopher servers'
08:55:10 <buZz> instead of causing panic for the yolo
08:55:35 <gnarface> i think this is KatolaZ's way of protesting being left in charge of the web servers during the conference
08:56:05 <buZz> to ignore the 4/5 consensus needed for webpage changes?
08:58:28 <_abc_> Do you see polkitd taking load up to 0.6-0.7 for no reason?
08:58:53 * gnarface isn't using it
08:58:57 <buZz> that package isnt in devuan
08:59:24 <_abc_> Ahh. systemd fun, without systemd this time.
08:59:39 <_abc_> The package is in wheezy. I am trying to port linuxcnc user land to devuan ascii.
08:59:44 <buZz> you dont need policykit
08:59:53 <_abc_> No success so far, missing packages which do not exist in devuan repos?
09:00:03 <_abc_> Will be back about this.
09:00:12 <_abc_> [not polkitd]
09:00:14 <gnarface> stuff has been renamed since wheezy
09:02:24 <_abc_> Made a stick with refracta2usb testing it now with persistence, using live linuxcnc wheezy 2.7 iso as source
09:20:34 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.cons.org/cracauer/sigint.html TIL, quite interesting
09:21:59 <Y_Plentyn> debdog: thank you
09:23:12 <buZz> i wonder when Klipper will get 'random ass CNC' support
09:23:21 <buZz> it makes a lot more sense to me than LinuxCNC
09:23:49 <Y_Plentyn> ... but that not contain recent information - for example if and how it is possible after early registration
09:23:59 <Y_Plentyn> ... to register
09:32:34 <debdog> Y_Plentyn: maybe there: https://events.eventzilla.net/e/welcome-to-the-first-devuan-conference-d1conf-2019-2138704309 or contact conference@devuan.org
09:32:58 <Y_Plentyn> debdog: i know the first...
09:35:25 <Y_Plentyn> and justr mailed the second ;)
09:37:38 <zeph1ro> @KatolaZ, zuzurellone... got the time to tag and release d1h? i need the fix u made 7mo ago... ;)
09:40:04 <unixman> KatolaZ, I thought the joke was funny. I presumed it was a joke from the start. I love the fact that gopher actually works. :D
09:40:29 <desperek> yea leave it like thatr
09:40:33 <Y_Plentyn> I liked the joke, too, and I like gopher ;)
09:41:20 * unixman had to install a gopher client to check and was pleasantly surprised :)
09:49:11 <unixman> Just finished reading scrollback. Some folk need to get a sense of humor. Good grief. :P
10:02:23 <detha> Other folks haven't spent 3 months getting use of devuan approved by corporate security in a windows-centric company. Know what the knee-jerk reaction of ITSec types to this sort of stunt is? :P
10:11:12 <silverwillow> meh. IPSec peeps have no sense of humour. They don't count :P
10:11:43 <buZz> detha: yeah i've seen many ppl not respond nicely
10:11:58 <buZz> way more then expected by the 'prankster' i bet
10:12:46 <detha> silverwillow: count or not, they control their firewalls. And if they say 'no', you either comply or can the project.
10:20:37 <_abc_> <almost systemd bashing>while looking for solutions for my current project, I found two nice links http://www.softpanorama.org/Commercial_linuxes/RHEL/index.shtml https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/2hfvm0/so_after_4_hours_of_debugging_systemd_and/
10:21:55 <_abc_> detha: itsec suits get alarmed by an amber light on a junos box (local management ethernet down usually), jokes like the website put them into hyperventilation state, need ER.
10:24:02 <premoboss> KatolaZ, i read you did a minimal devuan CLI version. how to get it?
10:24:54 <KatolaZ> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/minimal-live/ <- premoboss
10:25:17 <premoboss> KatolaZ, thanks.
10:25:57 <KatolaZ> premoboss: yw
10:40:49 <furrywolf> I too was impressed that at least www. had working gopher. checked last night. :)
10:41:22 <m68000> the port 70 revolution
10:47:05 <_abc_> 368MB for a cli only minimal edition is huuge :) But it's not your fault. Thanks for that KatolaZ.
10:52:01 <KatolaZ> _abc_: it's not "just a minimal image"
10:52:08 <KatolaZ> it has a lot of stuff in there
10:52:29 <KatolaZ> but still boots in a quite small footprint
10:52:37 <KatolaZ> and gives you a fully functional system :)
10:53:00 <KatolaZ> I agree it's not as minimal as "tomsrtbt" though ;)
10:57:57 <gnarface> it's as small as you can reasonably expect a debian-compatible derivative to get though
10:58:21 <KatolaZ> well, it could be really made slimmer, by removing some stuff
10:58:37 <KatolaZ> anyway, it should be pretty straightfoward to customise it using live-sdk
10:59:07 <KatolaZ> _abc_: shout if you need help with that
10:59:11 <xrogaan> Apparently IBM is to start a non-free version of RHEL. They had enough of not being able to properly use xkbcomp with wayland.
11:05:40 <unixman> IIRC there is already a "non-free" version of RHEL. Try getting patches for an unregistered, or unpaid, or expired, RHEL subscription.
11:05:59 <furrywolf> I want un-RH linux.
11:07:21 <buZz> we all do
11:26:43 <xrogaan> https://www.commitstrip.com/en/2019/04/01/back-to-how-it-should-be/
11:31:39 <buZz> xrogaan: weird
11:31:51 <buZz> there was no support for 'desktop notifications' from webpages in the 90s
11:32:03 <buZz> is the joke that the cartoonist wasnt on internet in the 90s? :P
11:32:14 <buZz> oh, -remove- , nmind
11:33:23 <DocScrutinizer05> xrogaan: depressingly true
11:33:42 <buZz> missed <marquee> though
13:40:43 <xrogaan> anyhow, after today, I realize that the best way for a cracker to fuck around is to take over during the 1st of April.
14:03:17 <_abc_> re: RH slime: I posted a link above some time ago about this. [relevant]
14:03:51 <_abc_> http://www.softpanorama.org/Commercial_linuxes/RHEL/index.shtml repost
14:11:08 <xrogaan> _abc_: I have no idea about how to read that website
14:16:17 <_abc_> scroll down until your eyes no longer hurt.
14:16:30 <_abc_> At "Abstract"
14:37:51 <armin> https://www.devuan.org/pwned.html ;)
16:21:00 <_abc_> With persistence on live images: is persistence-label= only supported in later (than wheezy level) distributions? It seems to not be treated in /bin/live-persistence at all.
16:21:14 <_abc_> I wasted half a day trying to make it work
16:22:27 <_abc_> Normally if "persistence" is on the kernel cli then something in the init scripts should call /bin/live-persistence, no?
17:07:03 <fsmithred> _abc_, persistence on the boot command alone looks for a volume with lable 'persistence'
17:07:36 <fsmithred> for other label, you need 'persistence persistence-label=some-name'
17:07:42 <fsmithred> bbiab
17:13:39 <_abc_> fsmithred: I tried both, this is for wheezy livecnc 2.7 iso which I wedged into a r2u made usb stick
17:14:13 <_abc_> fsmithred: the persistence things are completely ignored when booting into that using the system's defaults. I need to figure out how to make it not do that.
17:18:14 <_abc_> What exactly handles the persistence volume search call? Calling /bin/live-persistence from boot? Is that in initrd?
17:20:49 <_abc_> "Forgetting something might take more effort than trying to remember it, suggests a recent study from The University of Texas at Austin in the U.S.
17:20:57 <_abc_> " - oh I must be put together backwards, then.
17:28:27 <ServiceRobot> good evening folks
17:28:29 <buZz> i like that the only person responsible for the bad joke, even -called- it a bad joke when he made it initially
17:28:46 <buZz> yet didnt think of fixing it until much later :P
17:28:50 <ServiceRobot> I was just going to say I got a fistful of dng emails today...
17:29:08 <ServiceRobot> quickly realized what had happend when visiting /r/linux
17:29:13 <buZz> ServiceRobot: someone forgot to learn something when his parents read him 'boy who cried wolf' as a kid
17:29:25 <ServiceRobot> I don't know wether to call this a mess, or an overreaction
17:29:45 <buZz> the introduction of gopher servers is cool
17:29:57 <ServiceRobot> it doesn't change anything for me personally. I will still use devuan on my personal home server
17:30:03 <buZz> the 'oh noes we got hacked, all your installs might be at risk globally' was horrible
17:30:06 <ServiceRobot> it's been working great for me so far
17:30:19 <ServiceRobot> but it was just the website, not the repos?
17:30:28 <buZz> ServiceRobot: there wasnt any hack
17:30:34 <ServiceRobot> I know
17:30:38 <buZz> it was just 1 admin that was trying to be funny
17:30:55 <ServiceRobot> but some people reinstalled their entire systems because they thought it was real
17:31:04 <buZz> of course they did, thats normal recourse
17:31:14 <buZz> now what if you administrate 100s of devuan servers
17:31:19 <ServiceRobot> I'm no sysadmin so I don't really have an opinion
17:31:30 <buZz> then it might not be so 'funny' to hear 'devuan is hacked' on 31th of march
17:31:42 <ServiceRobot> do you think this will harm devuan in the long run? I still want to support this project
17:31:51 <buZz> i think it already did
17:32:04 <buZz> but many will stay regardless, of course
17:32:18 <ServiceRobot> what, do you think we should abandon it because of the joke?
17:32:22 <buZz> if we were '100' serious before, in eyes of onlookers
17:32:29 <buZz> we will now maybe be '75' serious
17:32:33 <buZz> if you can even quantify it
17:32:57 <buZz> which might be way easier on the minds of said admin(s) , but not really in benefit of the project
17:33:04 <ServiceRobot> I don't know. seems people overreacted
17:33:11 <buZz> otoh, it really got the devuan name mentioned all over the place
17:33:33 <watchcat> imo it'll improve devuan by getting rid of a few humorless people
17:33:35 <buZz> ServiceRobot: it could have been just as funny to just go 'all our webpages are now gopher only, go to xxxx'
17:33:56 <buZz> and then after april 1st go 'haha fooled you, here's the website back, but now we also have gopher'
17:34:04 <buZz> with zero harm to onlook in seriousness
17:34:14 <ServiceRobot> well the admin responsible for it realized his lack of judgement. can't we just move on?
17:34:21 <buZz> watchcat: tbh, you cant, unless you want to avoid any big users
17:34:44 <buZz> ServiceRobot: its not so much about the prank itself, its about a onlook
17:34:57 <buZz> how will ppl respond when devuan now -actually- get hacked?
17:35:05 <buZz> 'haha just dumbass admin making jokes again'
17:35:20 <buZz> as i said : 00:29:12 < buZz> ServiceRobot: someone forgot to learn something when his parents read him 'boy who cried wolf' as a kid
17:35:31 <watchcat> buZz: ?
17:35:54 <buZz> you guys are bad at aesop's fables :P
17:35:58 <buZz> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf
17:35:58 <ServiceRobot> I dunno. it seems like an overreaction to me
17:36:10 <buZz> > The Boy Who Cried Wolf is one of Aesop's Fables, numbered 210 in the Perry Index.[1] From it is derived the English idiom "to cry wolf", defined as "to give a false alarm" in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable[2] and glossed by the Oxford English Dictionary as meaning to make false claims, with the result that subsequent true claims are disbelieved.[3]
17:36:22 <ServiceRobot> buzz, we're not retarded. we know what that story is
17:36:47 <buZz> so you can see its applicability then?
17:36:53 <buZz> and -why- i referenced it?
17:37:04 <ServiceRobot> I see it as an overreaction. yes, the joke could have been handled better
17:37:10 <ServiceRobot> there was an apology. move on
17:37:16 <watchcat> meh. only a few er less intelligent people thought there was any danger.
17:37:17 <buZz> it didnt go live on april 1st either
17:37:41 <ServiceRobot> that's because a lot of devuan admins aren't from the U.S. so it was april first where they were
17:37:53 <buZz> it wasnt, they live in my timezone
17:38:15 <ServiceRobot> not the ones I've spoken to
17:38:16 <buZz> i even confirmed it was hosted on freaknet's infra in italy
17:38:30 <buZz> 'my' timezone isnt US's
17:38:40 <buZz> i, like most people globally, dont live in the US
17:40:21 <ServiceRobot> but what are you trying to get at buzz? the admin responsible for the joke apoligized already.
17:40:42 <buZz> right, the point was your question if it did damage
17:40:55 <buZz> i was saying it probably already did
17:41:03 <buZz> and was explaining why i said that
17:41:05 <ServiceRobot> but how much damage, if any?
17:41:13 <buZz> i even quantified it for you
17:41:24 <buZz> 00:32:21 < buZz> if we were '100' serious before, in eyes of onlookers 00:32:29 < buZz> we will now maybe be '75' serious
17:41:27 <ServiceRobot> I don't want quanfitications. I want examples
17:41:39 <buZz> you literally just asked to quantify it :P
17:42:36 <buZz> say if a company was just considering to move their vps platforms from debian to devuan
17:42:48 <buZz> and now on monday meetings it was first 'eh, devuan repos are hacked'
17:42:59 <buZz> and then 8 hrs later a email 'oh eh it was a joke'
17:43:11 <buZz> do you think a serious company would then still consider devuan an option?
17:43:18 <watchcat> nobody said devuan repos were hacked.
17:44:23 <buZz> 'just' files.devuan.org , git.devuan.org, pkginfo.devuan.org :P
17:45:01 <ServiceRobot> but people were worried they were hacked because the main website was. there was no indication the repos were left untouched. again, an apology was sent, and I'm perfectly fine with it
17:45:17 <buZz> mirrors already have been pulled offline because of this :P
17:45:25 <buZz> and i dont blame them
17:46:09 <watchcat> anyone who asked if the repos were affected were told clearly, "no".
17:46:29 <buZz> right, the same ppl who repeated over and over that it wasnt a joke
17:47:39 <watchcat> well at least complain about real stuff instead of exaggerations.
17:48:01 <buZz> alright, i'm sad there's less mirrors of devuan now
17:48:15 <buZz> i'm also sad its less of a serious distro in the eyes on many now
17:48:26 <buZz> yet i wont stop running it
17:48:55 <buZz> eyes of many*
18:15:06 <ErRandir> April 1st is now over ;)
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