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Gnostic

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Registered: 2023-11-11

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Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

Especially if you have been trying to explain to a non-IT-literate person.

A picture is worth a thousand words.

zapper

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Registered: 2017-05-29

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Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

from what I have heard, they tried to recreate their code in rust and that led to the problems.

Further proof that rust isn't a silver bullet and that its overly hyped

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spliskin

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Registered: 2020-07-06

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Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

@Gnostic

Rust is what happened to cloud flare. ;D
post here

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn

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Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

https://xkcd.com/2347/

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zapper

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Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

@spliskin

Makes sense

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Altoid

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Registered: 2017-05-07

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Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

Hello:

... picture is worth a thousand words.

Yes.

But only one word was needed: ineptitude.

Cloudfare is arguably an essential part of the web these days.
And those behind it (should) know it. Recent events make me wonder.

Whether that is the proper way to do things or not is for another discussion altogether.
But, like it or not, it is a fact: Cloudfare is a weak link without the needed redundancy.

Redundancy that the WWW was supposed to have, by design.
So it boils down to basic common sense: you do not fuck around with an essential part of the web.

Which is exactly what these DHs did.

A.

spliskin

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Registered: 2020-07-06

Posts: 18  

Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

Cloudflare - louded as one of the top developers in certain circles, should have known better than to release it so early without full vetting.

Nobody follows proper development cycles anymore either way. Knowing if a service of yours goes down it can cause that much trouble should inform you to be a more stringent and have hard policy as to production rollouts.

It's why I don't and won't work for them, that and their sales tactics; netflix as well. It's the reason I get annoyed when people complain about alternatives and still fail to realize that it's very difficult to replace things without some funding.

Gnostic

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Registered: 2023-11-11

Posts: 29  

Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

More RUST in the wheels of the internet.

On November 18, 2025, a significant portion of the internet went offline. X, ChatGPT, Canva, Letterboxd, and countless other services became inaccessible. The culprit? A single unwrap() call in Rust code that panicked across Cloudflare’s 330+ datacenters.

https://lucisqr.substack.com/p/the-clou … d-the-rust

spliskin

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Registered: 2020-07-06

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Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

Good write-up, up front. Wish I could read the whole thing.

zapper

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Registered: 2017-05-29

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Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

One line of code caused all that?

I thought the web was built more like debian, not archlinux LOL.

I once made one tiny mistake in mkinitcpio.conf in Hyperbola and it wouldn't boot it dropped me to a shell.

The issue?

I didn't remove the parentheses from the i915 line

And therefore, I kept getting it borked every time I tried. lol.

This feels like that kind of situation.

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kaiyel

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Registered: 2019-10-16

Posts: 32  

Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

In retrospect perhaps our "technology leaders" should not have taken the decentralized network we call the Internet and centralized the crap out of it.  But will we have learned from this?  Doubt it.

blackhole

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Registered: 2020-03-16

Posts: 164  

Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

"I thought the web was built more like Debian"

Lets hope not:

https://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/23/
https://www.cvedetails.com/version-list … Linux.html

Also:

https://security-tracker.debian.org/tra … ase/stable
https://bugs.debian.org/release-critica … n/all.html

FreeBSD for comparison

https://www.cvedetails.com/version-list … eebsd.html

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greenjeans

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Registered: 2017-04-07

Posts: 1,333  

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Re: Trying to explain what happened with Cloudflare?

Lol, not really that complex.

DuckDuckGo search terms: does cloudflare use ai to write code?

The answer at the top from the Duck's "search assist" (more ai, lol) :

Yes, Cloudflare uses AI models, such as Claude, to assist in writing code, particularly for projects like their OAuth library, where the AI-generated code is thoroughly reviewed by engineers for security and compliance. This approach allows for efficient coding while maintaining high standards of quality and safety.

Thoroughly reviewed bro...totally no hallucinating this time I swear...just push it, what's the worst that could happen bro?

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