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#1 2022-06-17 05:26:46

zapper
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Inquiriing, about router usage,

there are two thoughts, however:

wondering if its possible to do something similar to this on a pinebook single board device:

https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/example1.html

The general principle, is very much the same,  using it for a router aka.

I might consider doing it a different way,  aka, using actual OpenBSD, except, I don't know the level of support for open source drivers/firmware to know, if there are non-free drivers required for ARM64 boards such as ROCK64, ROCK64Pro, etc...

Thus, I will also ask, how much, bloatware does Devuan use in the situation of a router by default?

This is kind of a mixed question, regarding the topic, but yeah...

Point being. librecmc is becoming tiresome and openwrt and others, don't feel right to me.

Hope this helps you all understand what I am seeking info on.

Thank you.


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#2 2022-06-17 06:33:53

charliebrownau
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Re: Inquiriing, about router usage,

Gday

For an Router you could get

OpenWRT device
Linksys WRT54g

DIY Pfsense Router
DIY IPFIRE Router
DIY BSD router

I dont recommend ANYONE using a laptop or tabet
to share and route and do firewall stuff for a connection

I would love to see BSD and Devuan included in more networking, server stuff and router distros

ARM is still royality fee based and closed source

if you wanted a pro freedom device, check out RISC V

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#3 2022-06-17 09:53:27

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: Inquiriing, about router usage,

zapper wrote:

wondering if its possible to do something similar to this on a pinebook single board device:

https://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/example1.html

Yes: https://bsandro.tech/posts/openbsd-7.1- … rockpro64/

See also https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.1 … TALL.arm64

zapper wrote:

how much, bloatware does Devuan use in the situation of a router by default?

Lots. OpenBSD's install71.iso will happily run in QEMU with only 128MiB of RAM. Devuan's chimaera netinstall ISO image won't even start with so little memory available.

OpenBSD is the absolute best choice for a router IMO. Accept no substitute. And don't install any ports. Base system ftw!

EDIT: and arm64 is particularly good because the OpenBSD developers have managed to remove almost all ROP gadgets:

https://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdc … -paper.pdf

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2022-06-17 13:33:54)

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#4 2022-06-18 02:44:05

zapper
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Re: Inquiriing, about router usage,

"Lots. OpenBSD's install71.iso will happily run in QEMU with only 128MiB of RAM. Devuan's chimaera netinstall ISO image won't even start with so little memory available.

OpenBSD is the absolute best choice for a router IMO. Accept no substitute. And don't install any ports. Base system ftw!

EDIT: and arm64 is particularly good because the OpenBSD developers have managed to remove almost all ROP gadgets:

https://www.openbsd.org/papers/asiabsdcon2019-rop-paper.pdf"
Response to @headonastick
I had a feeling bloatware in linux even on a minimal system would be bad on most arm64 supported distros...

hmm

Btw,
>Optional 802.11ac with Bluetooth 5.0 expansion module
I don't like bluetooth, for some obvious reasons, insecurity and its supposedly hazardous in other ways...
Does OpenBSD disable it by default? Also, I thought 802.11ac requires an insecurity blob to use...

sad

Or has OpenBSD figured out a way to reverse engineer it to where it is harmless/works without any non-free blobs. In this case, I mean a freedom sense as a whole.

Oh and btw:

Is a wifi card needed in an OpenBSD router, I think it does probably right? I know this might sound very stupid to ask though.
I assume the MALI isn't needed for a router?
And, how do I connect to the device, to make wifi zones and then of course, connect other devices to them.

Btw, I assume you don't connect this to a modem directly right?

I think that sums up my other questions...

wink


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#5 2022-06-18 09:54:35

Head_on_a_Stick
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Re: Inquiriing, about router usage,

zapper wrote:

I don't like bluetooth, for some obvious reasons, insecurity and its supposedly hazardous in other ways...
Does OpenBSD disable it by default?

OpenBSD does better than that — there is no Bluetooth support at all smile

zapper wrote:

Is a wifi card needed in an OpenBSD router, I think it does probably right?

Only if you want to provide a wireless access point. Ethernet-only routers are a thing.

A card that supports HostAP mode is required though, see https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq6.html#Wireless for a list of chipsets that should work.

zapper wrote:

I assume the MALI isn't needed for a router?

I can't see the point of a graphics card on a router, no.

zapper wrote:

how do I connect to the device, to make wifi zones and then of course, connect other devices to them.

Btw, I assume you don't connect this to a modem directly right?

See the FAQ. It is comprehensive.

For any specific implementation-related questions that aren't covered by the documentation you can open a thread over at http://daemonforums.org — I'm also a member there and the community is very knowledgable and friendly. Just bear in mind that it's a BSD forum so a high signal-to-noise ratio is preferred for all posts. Don't chatter like you would on a Linux forum big_smile

Last edited by Head_on_a_Stick (2022-06-18 09:55:16)

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#6 2022-06-19 16:07:29

zapper
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Re: Inquiriing, about router usage,

@Headonastick
>No bluetooth support
>No MALI needed
Sounds good, now if only the distro world could drop bluetooth and other insecurity crap and stuff with the "trademark redhat bloatware seal of approval"

wink

Probably not happening for a while, but maybe if other alternatives crop up, that are better, it won't matter. smile

(Including Devuan)

Anywho, peace! smile


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Haughtiness comes before a fall, pride before destruction.
Peace be with you!
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#7 2022-07-08 06:35:19

zapper
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Re: Inquiriing, about router usage,

Small updatre on this, wondering,

what hardware parts are absolutely needed, for rockpro64 to work

Anyone have an answer?

Thanks in advance and also, sorry to have revive this thread, been occupied like a lot...


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Peace be with you!
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