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Running Devuan Version 6 with KDE on an ASUS desktop computer.
In the System Settings of Ubuntu/KDE, there is a section enabling the user to choose which background services and applications automatically start during boot-up. This is missing in my Devuan/KDE installation. (I assume that it has something to do with not using Systemd.)
Do Devuan users rely on the Systemctl command to find out which services are running and to turn off undesired background services, or is there some other method that can be used?
I am asking because I ran into a minor glitch, and I found a work-around. However, the best solution, I believe, would be to restart one of the background services.
After adding and then removing one of the optional KDE Services from the Dolphin Context Menu, I lost the Dolphin Menubar, the Ctrl+M feature (which brings the Menubar back), and Settings > Show Menubar option in the Application Menu of the Dolphin Titlebar.
After doing some research online, I found that many Ubuntu/KDE users had experienced this, and they solved it in either of two ways:
(1) Turn off the Application Menu daemon, which is one of the Background Services. Then restart the computer. The service will start up again, and the problem should be cleared up.
(2) Under System Setting > Colors & Themes > Window Decorations, remove the Application Menu in the Titlebar. This menu seems to interact with the Menubar--- at least, it does when the Application Menu Daemon is malfunctioning (and needs to restart).
Getting rid of the System Menu in the Titlebar seems to have brought back the Dolphin Menubar. However, I am still curious about how to turn off and restart background services that have stopped working properly.
I have tried to use the Systemctl command--- just to see what software modules are loaded and running. Unfortunately, the command doesn't seem to be working as expected. It doesn't accept my command syntax. See the terminal dialog below:
[b]martin@homepc:~$ sudo systemctl --type=service --state=running
[sudo] password for martin: [/b]
/usr/bin/systemctl:1541: SyntaxWarning: invalid escape sequence '\w'
expanded = re.sub("[$](\w+)", lambda m: get_env1(m), cmd.replace("\\\n",""))
/usr/bin/systemctl:1543: SyntaxWarning: invalid escape sequence '\w'
new_text = re.sub("[$][{](\w+)[}]", lambda m: get_env2(m), expanded)
/usr/bin/systemctl:1628: SyntaxWarning: invalid escape sequence '\w'
cmd3 = re.sub("[$](\w+)", lambda m: get_env1(m), cmd2)
/usr/bin/systemctl:1631: SyntaxWarning: invalid escape sequence '\w'
newcmd += [ re.sub("[$][{](\w+)[}]", lambda m: get_env2(m), part) ]
0 loaded units listed.
To show all installed unit files use 'systemctl list-unit-files'.[b]martin@homepc:~$ sudo systemctl list-unit-files[/b]
/usr/bin/systemctl:1541: SyntaxWarning: invalid escape sequence '\w'
expanded = re.sub("[$](\w+)", lambda m: get_env1(m), cmd.replace("\\\n",""))
/usr/bin/systemctl:1543: SyntaxWarning: invalid escape sequence '\w'
new_text = re.sub("[$][{](\w+)[}]", lambda m: get_env2(m), expanded)
/usr/bin/systemctl:1628: SyntaxWarning: invalid escape sequence '\w'
cmd3 = re.sub("[$](\w+)", lambda m: get_env1(m), cmd2)
/usr/bin/systemctl:1631: SyntaxWarning: invalid escape sequence '\w'
newcmd += [ re.sub("[$][{](\w+)[}]", lambda m: get_env2(m), part) ]
[b]
UNIT FILE STATE[/b]
basic.target static
default.target enabled
graphical.target disabled
local-fs.target static
multi-user.target enabled
network.target static
nfs-client.target disabled
poweroff.target static
reboot.target static
remote-fs.target enabled
rescue.target static
sysinit.target static
timers.target static
.depend.boot.service disabled
.depend.start.service disabled
.depend.stop.service disabled
ModemManager.service enabled
NetworkManager-dispatcher.service static
NetworkManager-wait-online.service enabled
NetworkManager.service enabled
README.service disabled
accounts-daemon.service enabled
alsa-restore.service static
alsa-state.service static
alsa-utils.service masked
anacron.service enabled
anacron.timer enabled
apparmor.service enabled
apt-listchanges.service static
apt-listchanges.timer enabled
avahi-daemon.service enabled
avahi-daemon.socket enabled
binfmt-support.service enabled
bluetooth.service enabled
bolt.service static
bootlogd.service masked
bootlogs.service masked
bootmisc.service masked
bootmisc.sh.service disabled
brightness.service masked
checkfs.service masked
checkfs.sh.service disabled
checkroot-bootclean.service masked
checkroot-bootclean.sh.service disabled
checkroot.service masked
checkroot.sh.service disabled
clamav-freshclam-once.service disabled
clamav-freshclam-once.timer disabled
clamav-freshclam.service disabled
configure-printer@.service static
console-setup.service enabled
console-setup.sh.service disabled
cron.service enabled
cups-browsed.service enabled
cups.path enabled
cups.service disabled
cups.socket enabled
dbus-fi.w1.wpa_supplicant1.service disabled
dbus-org.bluez.service disabled
dbus-org.freedesktop.Avahi.service disabled
dbus-org.freedesktop.ModemManager1.service disabled
dbus-org.freedesktop.nm-dispatcher.service static
dbus.service disabled
deepin-boot-maker.service enabled
display-manager.service static
dpkg-db-backup.service static
dpkg-db-backup.timer enabled
drkonqi-coredump-processor@.service enabled
e2scrub@.service static
e2scrub_all.service static
e2scrub_all.timer enabled
e2scrub_fail@.service static
e2scrub_reap.service enabled
elogind.service disabled
eudev.service disabled
exim4-base.service static
exim4-base.timer enabled
exim4.service enabled
fprintd.service static
fwupd-refresh.service static
fwupd-refresh.timer enabled
fwupd.service static
gdomap.service disabled
geoclue.service static
grub-common.service disabled
halt.service masked
hostname.service masked
hostname.sh.service disabled
hwclock.service masked
hwclock.sh.service disabled
ifup@.service static
ifupdown-pre.service static
ifupdown-wait-online.service disabled
iio-sensor-proxy.service static
ipp-usb.service static
keyboard-setup.service enabled
keyboard-setup.sh.service disabled
killprocs.service masked
kmod.service masked
lm-sensors.service enabled
logrotate.service static
logrotate.timer enabled
man-db.service static
man-db.timer enabled
mount-configfs.service masked
mountall-bootclean.service masked
mountall-bootclean.sh.service disabled
mountall.service masked
mountall.sh.service disabled
mountdevsubfs.service masked
mountdevsubfs.sh.service disabled
mountkernfs.service masked
mountkernfs.sh.service disabled
mountnfs-bootclean.service masked
mountnfs-bootclean.sh.service disabled
mountnfs.service masked
mountnfs.sh.service disabled
network-manager.service disabled
networking.service enabled
nftables.service disabled
nm-priv-helper.service static
openntpd.service enabled
pam_namespace.service static
polkit.service static
power-profiles-daemon.service enabled
ppp@.service disabled
procps.service disabled
rc.local.service masked
rc.service disabled
rcS.service disabled
reboot.service masked
rmnologin.service masked
rsync.service disabled
rsyslog.service enabled
rtkit-daemon.service disabled
saned.service masked
saned.socket disabled
saned@.service static
sddm.service static
seatd.service enabled
sendsigs.service masked
single.service masked
smartd.service disabled
smartmontools.service enabled
speech-dispatcher.service disabled
speech-dispatcherd.service disabled
stop-bootlogd-single.service masked
stop-bootlogd.service masked
sudo.service masked
switcheroo-control.service enabled
syslog.service disabled
udev.service masked
umountfs.service masked
umountnfs.service masked
umountnfs.sh.service disabled
umountroot.service masked
upower.service disabled
urandom.service masked
usb_modeswitch@.service static
usbmuxd.service static
wacom-inputattach@.service static
wpa_supplicant-nl80211@.service disabled
wpa_supplicant-wired@.service disabled
wpa_supplicant.service enabled
wpa_supplicant@.service disabled
wtmpdb-update-boot.service enabled
x11-common.service disabled
167 unit files listed.
martin@homepc:~$I don't see the Application Menu daemon anywhere in this list.
Last edited by JQAdams (2026-05-19 01:29:40)
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This is missing in my Devuan/KDE installation. (I assume that it has something to do with not using Systemd.)
It does.
Do Devuan users rely on the Systemctl command to find out which services are running and to turn off undesired background services
No, that's a systemd tool for interacting with systemd. It won't work as expected on Devuan, because (assuming it exists at all) it's just a "shim" translating (a limited subset of) commands to sysvinit equivalents.
Since sysvinit has no notion of "user services" (which KDE uses to manage it's background components when systemd is present), only system services will show up and only root will be able to mess with them.
is there some other method that can be used
For system services:
man init
man service
man insserv
man update-rc.d
For user services:
There are no user services, it's up to you (or KDE's KDED) to manage user-context daemons and all that.
optional KDE Services
e.g.
Application Menu daemon
Are user services and have nothing to do with init or system service managers when not using systemd, they're managed by KDE itself via KDED.
I don't know what version of KDE/Plasma you're running, but if you can't find "Background Services" in KDE's "System Settings"... It's likely because the developers childishly hid it, on account of people disabling kscreen to work around an otherwise crippling bug (aka corrosive but all-too-common "users are idiots, hide all the sharp tools" mentality).
If that's the case, you should be able to launch it manually with kcmshell6 kcm_kded.
Last edited by steve_v (2026-05-19 03:54:10)
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That kcmshell6 command is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Now, if the Dolphin menu system has any more problems, all I need to do (I think) is to turn off Startup Services > Application Menus Daemon and restart.
All I needed was a way to locate and control that setting, and now I have it.
Thanks.
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Removing the launcher for that module was an especially asinine move, in a growing list of asinine moves from KDE of late. The justification apparently being to "get people to report bugs instead of working around them, we'll tell them how to find it if they need it"...
I recommend making a .desktop file / application menu entry for it for the future.
Other "hidden" kde things that may be of interest:
kdebugsettings
kcmshell6 kcm_qtquicksettings
kcmshell6 --list in general
qdbus6 org.kde.KWin /KWin org.kde.KWin.showDebugConsole (kwin debug console)
Last edited by steve_v (2026-05-19 04:04:07)
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