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#176 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » How do you stop chromium asking for 'keyring password'? » 2020-04-10 18:34:08
Gentoo? I'd expect Gentoo to recommend you recompile chromium with different flags. 
When I was experimenting with it, I found that chromium also cannot connect to audio on Discord. It just sits there "waiting to connect" -- forever. Dunno if that's a reflecting of how bad Discord is, or chromium. I've heard that Discord is a pretty hairy mess written entirely in Javascript and run via Electron even on tablets or desktops. Ergh... so I switched back to Firefox. Which at least does work.
But you never know when Mozilla will do something annoying with Firefox. So I would like to have alternatives to Firefox, and I guess I'll go back and struggle with chromium some more soon.
#177 Desktop and Multimedia » How do you stop chromium asking for 'keyring password'? » 2020-04-08 01:19:10
- Micronaut
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Every time I start chromium I get a useless prompt for a keyring password that has to be canceled multiple times to get rid of it. There is no such thing as a keyring password on my system, as there is no keyring. Unless chromium creates it, in which case I want to stop it from even creating it. So far, all solutions found by google search have no effect.
Copying /usr/share/applications/chromium.desktop to ~/.local/share/applications and adding the '--password-store=basic' option to the Exec line does nothing. Creating a file called chromium-flags.conf file under .config/chromium and adding the option that that does nothing.
What does it take to tell the current version of chromium to not bother with encrypted keyrings?
#178 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Using redshift » 2020-04-04 02:09:50
OK, I think I see what is going on. It works, but I didn't understand what it does. I thought it was actually supposed to turn down the 'red' part of all colors in the display. It's just dimming the display slightly. So what I want to do is really eliminate the blue light from anything I run on my desktop. Submarine-style "rig for night running" mode. 
Is there a way to do that? Or will each program have to be individually configured to only use red colors? I suppose there is an all-red theme for XFCE, or one can be created. But the other programs might be more of a challenge.
#179 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Using redshift » 2020-04-04 00:40:55
Running Redshift with those "one time" switches will change the screen color for about 15-20 seconds. Then it reverts. So far, nothing seems to make Redshift-gtk actually effective. Hmm.....
#180 Desktop and Multimedia » Using redshift » 2020-04-01 20:23:01
- Micronaut
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Not sure if this is a "desktop" or a "system configuration" issue. Installing redshift and redshift-gtk, I ran it and then clicked the icon to get at the config option to have it start with the system. But as far as I can see, it does nothing. There was no change in the color of my screen as the evening wore on, even though it reported that it knew the time was 'night'. Is there some other option that needs to be tweaked somewhere to get it to actually affect the screen color?
This was on a laptop using the default XFCE desktop, so there is no complex issue with ATI or nVidia drivers. Its the standard Intel video driver, and it's the desktop environment the whole system was designed around.
#181 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-17 22:25:06
This is only getting weirder every time I try something else. A complete purge and re-install has resulted in no resolv.conf at all in the /etc directory. It's now a symbolic link to /var/run/NetworkManager/resolv.conf but is still controlled by dnssec-triggerd. I don't know if it has the immutable attribute. It gives an error message when I try to check it. At least this time the DNS does work. Maybe the re-install forced it to update to the current master sig/key?
Meanwhile, another system that I hadn't gotten to still has /etc/resolv.conf and it has the immutable attribute. But this one is still successfully producing DNS lookups. Since it works, I won't mess with it for now. If I can ever get a handle on some sort of consistent behavior I'll see about a new thread.
#182 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Ascii does not respect /etc/adjtime settings » 2020-02-17 22:20:04
Well, yes, I thought ntp was a good thing for any system to have. How much could it adjust the system time? Only a minute or two, I'd think. And I would have thought it would adjust the hardware clock when it did so.
Still, it might be a good idea to use the known Windows registry tweak to make it use UTC. I've been making other changes to align Wind'ohs with real OSes, such as running my own account as a normal user and having a separate admin account.
#183 Hardware & System Configuration » Ascii does not respect /etc/adjtime settings » 2020-02-17 04:15:23
- Micronaut
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According to all of the documentation I can find, setting line 3 of /etc/adjtime to LOCAL tells the system that your BIOS time is local rather than GMT/UTC. But every time I reboot it during a single day, I get that complaint from fsck about the file system superblock being ahead of the real time. Yes, this is a dual boot system with Windows on the other side. Windows system time works properly. You might think that Windows is 'fscking' with something, but this happens even when Windows has not been booted even once that day. It looks like the Linux system is not reading the config file it is supposed to be reading. Has something changed recently in how system time is tracked and/or set?
#184 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-17 04:04:52
Well, on my systems (all of them now) is locks resolv.conf and fails to provide the DNS lookups that it has forced the system to ask it for. I've now removed it from all of my systems. It worked for a few days and then went haywire. Frustrating. Hasn't there been a recent update of the "master" signing key? Could that have broken it?
#185 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-16 00:25:00
Maybe Devan would not, but the dnssec-trigger package comes from nlnet labs, and they would:
https://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/dnssec-trigger/about/
There used to be a race condition between dnssec-trigger and the system but this was fixed in 0.6, with a 'system preferences' override on OSX and Windows, and chattr immutable on Linux and BSD.
#186 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-14 15:20:31
No, I didn't even know the immutable attribute existed until I figured out how to remove it. Something else set it. And that was a peripheral problem. The real problem is that dnssec-trigger doesn't work anymore. DNS info is not looked up and the machine cannot use the network with it installed. Something in the batch of updates I downloaded broke it.
#187 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-14 02:42:36
That would install all of the kernels in the directory. Sounds messy.
Fortunately, after some more struggles I figured out what was wrong. The resolv.conf file was set read-only even for root, and contained only 127.0.0.1 as the nameserver. Well, whatever was in those latest updates broke dnssec-trigger. I don't know enough about it to say what exactly went wrong. When unbound stopped working, it prevented any network access from working since all applications would think that 127.0.0.1 was the place to request DNS information. When I finally figured out how to free resolv.conf (it was a completely different file control system than chmod, something I've never heard of before "chattr") it returned to the control of network manager and the system is usable again.
So now it looks like dnssec-trigger is not safe to use since these updates broke it. I'll have to remove it from all my systems and continue trying to figure out how to setup unbound independently.
#188 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-13 23:20:01
Alright, I give up. Since I don't have access to the network anymore, I can't get the files I deleted to try again. Looks like I have no option but a complete re-install when I have some time. This is the first time I have had such a debacle with Linux. But if I re-install and updating breaks my networking again, what then?
#189 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-13 22:30:07
All I have to do is reboot into Windows and there are no network problems. Something in the Linux updates broke my networking. Which is really shocking. Bad updates are supposed to be a Windows thing...
#190 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-13 21:37:31
The system having the problems is a desktop, no wifi involved. I simply downloaded updates using the above sources.list, "aptitude update" and then "aptitude safe-upgrade" and the network stopped working. The log posted above is all of the packages installed by that update. Looks like a lot of CUPS updates. But the only thing I can figure has anything to do with network access is the kernel. Hmm...
#191 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 22:28:35
Actually, I have to wonder if it was the kernel the broke my network. Here is the log of the upgrade that broke the system. MANY things were changed:
Start-Date: 2020-02-12 14:19:07
Install: linux-headers-4.9.0-12-common:amd64 (4.9.210-1, automatic), linux-image-4.9.0-12-amd64:amd64 (4.9.210-1, automatic), linux-headers-4.9.0-12-amd64:amd64 (4.9.210-1, automatic)
Upgrade: perl-base:amd64 (5.24.1-3+deb9u5, 5.24.1-3+deb9u6), libopenjp2-7:amd64 (2.1.2-1.1+deb9u3, 2.1.2-1.1+deb9u4), libcups2:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), linux-libc-dev:amd64 (4.9.189-3+deb9u2, 4.9.210-1), libjaxen-java:amd64 (1.1.6-1, 1.1.6-1+deb9u1), perl-modules-5.24:amd64 (5.24.1-3+deb9u5, 5.24.1-3+deb9u6), cups-server-common:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86:amd64 (4.9.189-3+deb9u2, 4.9.210-1), cups-common:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libpq5:amd64 (9.6.15-0+deb9u1, 9.6.16-0+deb9u1), libperl5.24:amd64 (5.24.1-3+deb9u5, 5.24.1-3+deb9u6), cups-ppdc:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libcupsmime1:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), linux-image-amd64:amd64 (4.9+80+deb9u9, 4.9+80+deb9u10), libglib2.0-bin:amd64 (2.50.3-2+deb9u1, 2.50.3-2+deb9u2), linux-headers-amd64:amd64 (4.9+80+deb9u9, 4.9+80+deb9u10), linux-kbuild-4.9:amd64 (4.9.189-3+deb9u2, 4.9.210-1), libglib2.0-data:amd64 (2.50.3-2+deb9u1, 2.50.3-2+deb9u2), libtimedate-perl:amd64 (2.3000-2, 2.3000-2+deb9u1), libmariadbclient18:amd64 (10.1.41-0+deb9u1, 10.1.44-0+deb9u1), libcupsppdc1:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libidn11:amd64 (1.33-1, 1.33-1+deb9u1), libfreetype6:amd64 (2.6.3-3.2, 2.6.3-3.2+deb9u1), perl:amd64 (5.24.1-3+deb9u5, 5.24.1-3+deb9u6), cups-bsd:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), cups-core-drivers:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), cups-daemon:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libcupsimage2:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), cups:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libcupscgi1:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), cups-client:amd64 (2.2.1-8+deb9u4, 2.2.1-8+deb9u5), libglib2.0-0:amd64 (2.50.3-2+deb9u1, 2.50.3-2+deb9u2), libxslt1.1:amd64 (1.1.29-2.1+deb9u1, 1.1.29-2.1+deb9u2)
End-Date: 2020-02-12 14:20:13
#192 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 21:27:54
Hmm, I've still got:
linux-image-amd64_4.9+80+deb9u9_amd64.deb
linux-headers-amd64_4.9+80+deb9u9_amd64.deb
In my apt archives directory, but can't figure out how to re-install it.
#193 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 20:59:56
OK, I removed those from one system but now that system cannot connect to anything online. It's like the network driver or DNS or something is broken. This latest update has apparently broken something. I'll definitely wait before updating the others....
Proposed repositories? What are those? The only thing remotely experimental in my sources.list is backports. Do they put kernels into backports? Should I roll back somehow?
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii contrib main non-free
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates contrib main non-free
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security contrib main non-free
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports contrib main non-free
#194 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 19:22:13
Ack! Updating has added another line to the list!
i A linux-image-4.9.0-11-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-12-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
WTF is going on???
#195 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-12 19:18:06
Well, this is getting weirder. First:
i A linux-image-4.9.0-11-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i A linux-image-4.9.0-9-amd64 - Linux 4.9 for 64-bit PCs
i linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
There are THREE images showing as installed, besides the meta-package. But beyond that, I checked for new updates again and there is ANOTHER linux-image available for my machine. Maybe this is a correction for the mistake that resulted in multiple install entries?
#196 Hardware & System Configuration » TWO kernels in one update? » 2020-02-10 21:16:20
- Micronaut
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It's time to get my Linux boxes updated, and the one I've started with is downloading TWO kernel updates. ??? Why would this happen? I admit I'm not checking very frequently for updates. Maybe every couple weeks. Could the release of one kernel update right after another cause both to be downloaded? Or would something else make this happen?
#197 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Implementing DNSSEC and DNS-over-TLS with Unbound » 2020-02-07 23:45:14
The adventure continues. Unbelievably, I've got DNS-over-TLS working on Windows before Linux. But, there are nice example configs posted to the Unbound support mailing list... And *ix stuff is always more difficult to figure out.
But I got a surprise when I installed dnssec-trigger on one of my Linux test systems and then tried to test it. It seems that nslookup and dig are not installed by default anymore? If they are associated with bind (as part of bind-tools) could installing unbound have removed them? Would it possibly interfere with unbound to (re)install these bind-utils? Or will they work the same with unbound as they do with bind?
#198 Re: Off-topic » Thunderbird needs to be forked » 2020-01-31 04:02:53
The grandpa of LibreOffice, StarOffice, had a e-mail client called StarMail. So, it get lost in some version from StarOffice to OpenOffice to LibreOffice.
Hmm, and now I wonder what happened to StarMail...
#199 Re: Off-topic » Thunderbird needs to be forked » 2020-01-31 04:01:47
There is a fork called Interlink Mail & News: https://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/
Wow! That's good to know! I will definitely keep an eye on that.
The Slashdot article also has a post from someone pointing out an alternative called Claws Mail. https://www.claws-mail.org/
So there are a few options. But I still hope that the current Thunderbird is adopted by someone before it is ruined.
#200 Off-topic » Thunderbird needs to be forked » 2020-01-29 19:43:36
- Micronaut
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There have been rumblings in the past from Mozilla about "improving" their perfectly functional email client. No one seems to understand the concept of "mature product" any more. Everything has to be constantly updated. Now they are planning to shift it to a subsidiary to get around their non-profit status and start exploiting their access to everyone's desktops.
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/20/01/2 … subsidiary
The Mozilla Foundation announced today that it was moving its Thunderbird email client to a new subsidiary named the MZLA Technologies Corporation. From a report:
Mozilla said that Thunderbird will continue to remain free and open source, but by moving the project away from its foundation into a corporate entity they will be able to monetize the product and pay for its development easier than before. Currently, Thunderbird is primarily being kept alive through charitable donations from the product's userbase. "Moving to MZLA Technologies Corporation will not only allow the Thunderbird project more flexibility and agility, but will also allow us to explore offering our users products and services that were not possible under the Mozilla Foundation," said Philipp Kewisch, Mozilla Product Manager. "The move will allow the project to collect revenue through partnerships and non-charitable donations, which in turn can be used to cover the costs of new products and services," Kewisch added.
It looks like there will soon be a desperate need for a fork and a new home to maintain a decent FOSS email client. Who might be lobbied to adopt Thunderbird as it currently exists? Wouldn't an integrated email client be a good thing for LibreOffice? Maybe the Document Foundation could make a fork and add it to their suite.
Does the Gnu foundation have it's own email client yet? I know they are way behind on most other large applications, and even their kernel. Too much time and effort has gone into emacs... Hmm, I bet emacs has a mail reader mode?
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