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#126 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] gparted missing » 2023-01-17 16:18:30

dcolburn wrote:

Has it been removed or replaced

Nope: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/pack … ed=1.2.0-1

The launch script is at /usr/sbin/gparted, that should be used instead of the /usr/sbin/gpartedbin binary.

Let's see your sources:

apt policy
grep -v '^$\^#' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}

I don't trust Synaptic :-)

EDIT: too slow...

#127 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] No screen after suspend2ram » 2023-01-17 14:36:27

jue-gen wrote:

... failed to load iwl-debug-yoyo.bin ...

Not a problem. You don't need the debug stuff. I presume your wireless card works (ie, it is listed in the output of ip link)?

jue-gen wrote:

... *ERROR* amdgpu requieres firmware installed ...

And there's your problem. Without the firmware your graphics chip will probably be using the VESA driver, which will have *terrible* performance and is probably responsible for the screen blanking issue. The X.Org log will show which driver is used. I did ask to see it but hey-ho...

So

# apt install firmware-amd-graphics

Then reboot and check for the 'kernel driver in use' line in the lspci output. The amdgpu module should be used once the firmware is loaded.

#128 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] No screen after suspend2ram » 2023-01-17 07:26:16

You can remove the package but it's not being used because you have an AMD card.

However, the card should have a "kernel driver in use" line, which is missing. That is usually caused by conflict with the radeon module but that module isn't listed at all hmm

Please share you X.Org log and the full output of

# dmesg

Run the command as soon after a reboot as possible to keep it brief.

#129 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] No screen after suspend2ram » 2023-01-17 06:08:40

What is your graphics hardware and driver(s)?

lspci -knn | grep -iA3 'vga\|3d\|display'

If you have an Intel card then remove the xserver-xorg-video-intel package.

#130 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-16 18:11:59

golinux wrote:

major surgery

Much appreciated, thanks!

#131 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Pipewire » 2023-01-16 18:05:48

@dzz: why are you using a bash shebang in a script that contains no bashisms? A /bin/sh shebang will use dash in Devuan, which is lighter, faster and less buggy than bash.

However, $EUID is undefined in POSIX so the "Don't run this as root!" test should then be changed to

if [ "$(id -u)" -eq 0 ]; then exit 1;fi

Or

[ "$(id -u)" = 0 ] && exit 1

Also, the "delete blueman stat files in ~/.config" line parses ls, which is a bad idea, so

rm -rf ~/.config/*blueman*

Not sure if the asterisk is needed both sides, I don't use BlueTooth so I have no idea how the configuration files are named; mutatis mutandis.

EDIT: missed a closing double-quote. Oops.

EDIT2: no point using a for loop when a simple glob will work.

#133 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-15 12:37:29

The OBS only offers Debian repositories, unfortunately, but they are binary-compatible with the relevant Devuan release and I certainly won't be adding anything that would conflict with the list of banned packages.

#134 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-15 12:33:35

I've just contributed a new user repository specifically for the use of the community. Is that not relevant for this thread?

The repository is empty at the moment but it should have some packages soon.

#135 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-15 12:30:42

Evenson wrote:

Why do you feel the need to insert irrelevant information?

I've just shown you how to install codelight in Devuan. There is no need to add codelight to the Crapton repository and I certainly won't keep it updated and maintained.

#136 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-15 12:25:48

Evenson wrote:

https://docs.codelite.org/downloads/download/#ubuntu-debian

Their Debian buster & bullseye repositories should be binary-compatible with Devuan beowulf & chimaera, respectively.

So try something like

curl -fsSL https://repos.codelite.org/CodeLite.asc | gpg --dearmor | sudo tee /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/codelight.gpg >/dev/null
sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/codelight.list <<!
deb https://repos.codelite.org/debian bullseye devel
!
sudo apt update
sudo apt install codelight

^ That example is for bullseye/chimaera, change the deb https line if you're using beowulf instead.

Disclaimer: the Devuan developers do not recommend using third-party repositories (including mine) so you're on your own if you try this.

#137 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-15 10:13:43

MiyoLinux wrote:

I'll make .deb packages for My Crappy Radio Player and the MiyoLinux Update Notifier after I've had time to recover. HoaS, what do I need to do in order to upload them to your site?

The original source tarball (.orig.tar.gz), the .dsc file and the debian.tar.xz file.

MiyoLinux wrote:

I'm a dangerous far-right radical

Lol. You don't fool me Miyo — you're far too nice to be right-wing wink

#138 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 23:27:50

JWM-Kit wrote:

I'm not expecting anyone to take this suggestion seriously.

Too late — I've set it up over at my OBS account:

https://build.opensuse.org/project/show … Stick:DCCR

big_smile

EDIT:

@Miyo: the SSL certificate expired last year. Those bloody anarchists need to get organised...

Just click on "Advanced" then add an exception for the site but be warned that viewing it will probably land you on an FBI watchlist.

Make no mistake: I am a dangerous far-left radical hell bent on overthrowing Western "civilisation".

#139 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 23:03:32

MiyoLinux wrote:

I thought you didn't like that shite?

Ahem:

$ pacman -Q firefox
firefox 108.0.2-1
$

Also: https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-p … BUILD#L142

tongue

#140 Re: DIY » A Survey of User-made Content » 2023-01-14 20:05:46

@golinux: which browser are you using? The codeberg site works fine for me with Firefox v108.0.2.

#142 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-01-14 18:34:16

So what happens if you install Xfce & LightDM in Exe? Is the memory usage lower than Alpine then?

I can't be bothered finding the scrot but I've had Alpine at ~30MiB used with a dwm desktop tongue

EDIT: it's those apples & oranges again lol

The whole point of my comparison is that all 3 distributions are using the same desktop. Of course TDE is "lighter" than Xfce, it's ancient FFS. I'm sure if I packaged up TDE for Alpine it would blow Exe out of the water in respect of resource usage.

I find it very confusing that all the people who complain about systemd being guilty of feature creep and needless bloat have no problem at all using GNU's libc version. GNU virtually invented feature creep and needless bloat. All that wittering about the "UNIX philosophy" makes me wonder if those people even know what "GNU" stands for... roll

#143 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-14 18:15:12

A correction: testing is actually always in sync but just not guaranteed to be in a working state. See also https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi … ml#testing, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi … tml#s3.1.5, https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi … tml#s3.1.6 & https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debi … tml#s3.1.7.

Salient quote from the official Debian FAQ:

When deciding between testing and unstable bear in mind that there might be times when tracking testing would be beneficial as opposed to unstable. One of this document's authors experienced such situation due to the gcc transition from gcc3 to gcc4. He was trying to install the labplot package on a machine tracking unstable and it could not be installed in unstable as some of its dependencies have undergone gcc4 transition and some have not. But the package in testing was installable on a testing machine as the gcc4 transitioned packages had not "trickled down" to testing.

^ This is why Debian has a transition tracker.

Rolling release distrinbtuions such as Arch do not need a transition tracker because transitions are performed en masse.

#144 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-14 12:28:53

MiyoLinux wrote:

If I want a rolling release, I'll use unstable on Devuan/Debian.

Neither Debian or Devuan offer a rolling release. Testing/unstable are development branches, which is not the same thing at all. A rolling release distribution should always have all of the packages upgraded in sync and so should always be usable, at least theoretically. De{bi,vu}an's development branches are not expected to be usable at any given time.

Your comparison sounds interesting though so I tried it myself with Arch, Alpine & Devuan chimaera, all with the Xfce desktop:

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=40234#p40234

andyprough wrote:

By default, Arch is a bit of a bloated pig of a mess of a distro. You've got to tweak the heck out of it if you want a top performer.

Yes, I would agree with that analysis.

However I do get significantly higher framerates in CS:GO under Arch compared to Debian bullseye because I have relatively recent graphics hardware (5th generation Ryzen iGPU) and the latest versions of Mesa offer much better performance with that.

I'll probably switch to Debian bookworm soon now the freeze has started and my wireless card is supported by their kernel and I expect performance for that to be much improved on my hardware compared to the previous release.

#145 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-01-14 12:24:40

Testing the "bloat" for various distributions: installed Xfce/LightDM in QEMU/KVM for each then measured disk usage with df -h / and memory usage with ps_mem (1GiB of RAM assigned to each VM)...

Arch:
2023-01-14-120550-1280x800-scrot.png
2.7GiB of disk space used and ~371MiB of RAM used.

Devuan chimaera:
2023-01-14-120740-1280x800-scrot.png
3.7GiB of disk space used and ~386MiB of RAM used.

Alpine:
2023-01-14-120456-1280x800-scrot.png
1.1GiB of disk space used and ~221MiB of RAM used.

And that's a clear win for Alpine. Musl libc rocks!

#146 Re: Off-topic » Haiku r1/b4 » 2023-01-14 12:15:45

Camtaf wrote:

it has less code, for the whole system, than there is in the Linux kernel!

That's not surprising at all. Most of the code in the Linux kernel is for drivers and those drivers will only be loaded on demand anyway so such a comparison is fairly meaningless.

#147 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] DEVELOPERS: don't hardcode GPT on installation » 2023-01-14 12:14:24

Devuan supports SecureBoot by default now. No need to configure anything. Newer "secure core" [sic] machines may require that third-party certificates be enabled but that's no more complex than disabling SecureBoot.

Note that UEFI offers a vast attack surface compared to traditional BIOS booting and SecureBoot does actually help mitigate some of this, which is why the Debian developers have gone to the trouble of supporting it. If you're using a UEFI capable machine then SecureBoot should be enabled. "Legacy" (CSM) boot support is emulated through the UEFI firmware and so does not improve security in any way; using UEFI boot with SecureBoot enabled is more secure than using "Legacy" boot.

#148 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-13 23:08:37

Well I suppose that stuff could be split out. It's off-topic here, to be sure.

#149 Re: Off-topic » Lennart Poettering (Systemd) Lands at Microsoft After Leaving Red Hat » 2023-01-13 21:50:22

zapper wrote:

When did you suggest a bug report for that?

It was in a thread that got binned, I think. Nobody disagreed with me.

EDIT: @admin: time to close this thread?

#150 Re: DIY » cpu limitations, for power saving » 2023-01-13 21:46:02

zapper wrote:

I don't always think before I act/post

No shit.

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