If you're using wicd or some other network manager, you should not configure /etc/network/interfaces. They will fight with each other if you do.

The most common cause for wicd to fail to see the wireless interface is that wlan0 is not set as the default wireless interface in wicd preferences. Maximize the wicd window and you'll see where to get to Preferences. (Or click on the little arrow if you can find it.) It's also possible to set the wireless interface in /etc/wicd/manager-settings.conf -
wireless_interface = wlan0

We don't have control over the mirrors' choice of providing https or not.

If you want to use https, use a mirror in your sources.list that provides https. There's a list of them here -
http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt

If you use https, your ISP won't be able to see what you're installing. Package security is provided by gpg signing keys.

Edit: Corrected links: I posted this link first. This is the list of mirrors for downloading isos, not for getting packages.
https://devuan.org/get-devuan

If you get rid of avahi-daemon, that should be enough. The library won't do anything.

If removing avahi-daemon wants to remove other things that you know you want, you can disable it with sysv-rc-conf (or update-rc.d if you like commands.)

The most likely scenario (by a long shot) is that we will continue to provide the version of firefox-esr packaged by debian, just like we do for almost all the packages we provide.

It looks like trr is turned off by default. I'm looking at ff-esr 68.4 in beowulf.
network.trr.mode;0

However, if you turn it on, you'll get cloudflare. This value can be modified. I haven't tried it.
network.trr.uri;https://mozilla.cloudflare-dns.com/dns-query

To turn it on, they say to go into Preferences, Network Settings, and then way down at the bottom is a checkbox to turn on DNS over HTTPS and a place to enter a different server.

Thanks for the info.

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Trusted_Recursive_Resolver

It might be five years. I'm not sure. The major change that I see is that jessie was 2 years late (after the release of debian jessie) ascii was one year late, and beowulf is about half a year late.  Collaborative efforts have sprung up between devuan and debian, and as a result, elogind is available in debian. I see new devuan developers who have arrived in the past year, and we continue to get new users who thought they were ok with systemd but changed their minds after they used it for some time. I think we're doing just fine.

I'm aware that almost all packages start out as upstream tarballs that get turned into debian packages by debian developers.  They also get turned into other kinds of packages for other distros. But I don't understand what you're trying to say about lxde/lxqt.

With any luck, the gtk3-nocsd package will continue to work.

I missed you in IRC by a few minutes. There's a 5.3 kernel in beowulf-backports. And there's a refracta live-iso I made with that kernel for testing purposes. It's here: https://get.refracta.org/files/experime … 5_0440.iso

To install a backports kernel:
Add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-update, find the kernel you want and install it.
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports main

Run:

apt -t beowulf-backports install linux-image-5.whatever

reboot. The highest version kernel will be the first choice in the boot menu.

Yes.

Yes, I added a subvolume option. This should not affect grub. I used subvolid, but you could also use the path to the subvolume.

To get the subvolid, run btrfs subvolume list <path> where path is the path to the mounted luks volume.

# btrfs subvolume list /mnt 
ID 257 gen 37 top level 5 path devuan/rootfs.subvol
ID 258 gen 20 top level 5 path devuan/homefs.subvol

On or around line 1137 of /usr/bin/refractainstaller:
mount -o subvolid=257 "$install_part" /target ; check_exit

Line 1163:
mount -o subvolid=258 "$home_part" /target ; check_exit

I did it in the middle of the installation. There's a pause when it's ready to install the bootloader, so that you can go to another terminal and modify files on the target or even chroot the target. Then go back and tell the installer to do the bootloader. All I did was add the subvol option. You might use more or different options.

/dev/mapper/sda3_crypt	/	btrfs	defaults,noatime,subvolid=257	0	1
/dev/mapper/sda3_crypt	/home	btrfs	defaults,noatime,subvolid=258	0	2
/dev/sda2	/boot	ext2	defaults,noatime	0	1
/swapfile	none	swap	sw	0	0

I got it to install with the live installer if I do a lot of manual fiddling with it. But I can't get it to boot, even with a separate /boot partition.

See if you can get the regular installer to work without formatting as I described above. If that doesn't work, we can come back to a more manual approach.

Edit/Update: I can't get it to work with the installer isos, either. I tried ascii-2.1. Expert install, check cyptsetup at the extra installer components list, drop to a shell when it reaches partitioning, try to open the encrypted volume with cryptsetup, and the command is not found. (the debs are on the media, but they haven't been installed at this point.)

If I try to select the btrfs partition to use as btrfs, it tells me that no root has been selected. Looks like you have to do it the way it was described in the other thread (install to a temp dir and then rsync it all into place.)

When you get to the partitioning phase in the installer, if your subvolumes are listed, you should be able to highlight one, press enter, and get to a screen that shows options for that parititon - use as (filesystem type), format, mountpoint, etc. If you highlight a line and press enter, you can edit that line. For the format line, pressing enter will toggle yes/no.

When you're at the screen that lists your partitions, there may be an upper-case F or K on each line. F means the partition will be formatted, K means keep the current filesystem (don't format).

Meanwhile, I will try to reproduce your configuration and see if I can do it with the live installer.

Yup. As soon as we get the installer isos right, we'll let you play with them. Meanwhile, I switched my main box to beowulf.  (Bye bye Jessie. I'm sorry it didn't work out as we first expected, but I had nothing to do with that. I kept you as pure as I could.)

These isos were made with refractasnapshot, which has a pretty extensive rsync excludes list and a high compression on the squashfs. Before that, most of the packages are installed without Recommends. The initrd is xz compressed - that saves a few MB.

I started with the no-X isos I made with live-sdk, installed onto virtual disks, added software and customized some stuff and then made a snapshot. Until ascii, these things fit on a CD.