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#1176 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-08-02 21:56:46
I have to have my internet radio too, somafm usually, Radiotray is a nice program.
I use Exaile, has i-radio built in and even has somafm and some others pre-programmed, so that's what I usually use since I already have the player for mp3's and CD's anyway. But i'm skating perilously close to Gnome territory using it and from what i've read the newest version is completely gtk3, which may bring it's own set of problems.
Is Deadbeef still around?
My go-to player is Audacious, but I really like Radiotray too.
As for Deadbeef, I know of one distro that ships it as the default player.
#1177 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Advice needed from non-US users regarding keyboard layouts » 2017-08-02 03:16:30
Test to see if you can add a layout on the fly in a live session. You can with the panel plugins for xfce and lxde.
Thanks fsr. Yes, those panel plugins definitely work in live sessions. I'm still trying to stick with the tint2 panel though. I've found an application that definitely works...gxkb. However, gxkb appears to only allow for three layouts. I've contacted the developer to see if there's a way to add more, but I haven't heard back yet. It works just like the Xfce and LXDE panel plugins though...able to easily switch on the fly.
I've also found xxkb. It takes a lot more configuration though...and I haven't tried it yet to see how many layouts can be added.
I know it would be really convenient for live users to be able to use their native keyboard layout if possible, but at the same time, I would like to know if it's a "deal-breaker" if they can only use the US layout.
#1178 Devuan Derivatives » Advice needed from non-US users regarding keyboard layouts » 2017-08-02 00:45:01
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Hi everyone! If I may ask a question, is it a serious problem for a user outside of the United States to use a US keyboard layout on a live system when trying out a distro? Can you try out a distro with a US keyboard layout without many problems?
I've tried several other keyboard layouts, and for the most part, they seem to follow the US keyboard layout (except for some special characters).
I'm looking at a keyboard switcher, but it only allows for three keyboard layouts.
Any input would be appreciated. 
#1179 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-08-01 23:30:09
All of my MiyoLinux systems are now on ceres. Lo and behold, Radio Tray is in the repository. That alone is enough to make me upgrade to Ceres! LOLOL!
I'll have to check if it's available in ascii.
Well I feel like an idiot. Radio Tray is available in Jessie. 
LOLOLOL! Not sure how I missed it before...
#1180 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-07-31 23:11:37
Running this on a Latitude E6500 and it is lovely to use Miyo thank you.:)
Only thing I changed apart from adding some software was I removed the updates thing that appeared in the panel as it was annoying and I update with apt anyway otherwise lovely user experience so far.:)
Please forgive me darry1966. I just saw this...not sure how I missed it before.
Thank you for the kind words. Yes...some folks like the notifier and some don't. 
Easy to remove for those who don't. Thanks for trying Miyo.
#1181 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-31 21:34:25
Well it would be a lot easier if I had a 32 bit JWM Miyolinux to hack on.
I read your short tutorial in another thread, purely brilliant, I would never have thought of it like that but installing lightdm first like that on a cli iso would indeed pretty much pull in everything you need for a working desktop other than the WM/DE itself...stroke of genius that, quick and dirty, I love it! That's probably how i'll start.
Have you checked out Trizen's other menu program? If you haven't, it's called simply "menutray", and that's what it does, dynamic menu that fetches .desktop files just like obmenu-generator, but this one is setup to always go in your tray instead of just a right-click, it acts more like a conventional menu in that respect, even supports tooltips (which is something i'd love to see in obmenu-generator).
So only downside is it always goes in tray, which is generally on right side of panel and usually includes clock, wicd icon, volume etc. Some folks might like it there though. You can switch the dock to the left side of the tray in jwmrc though, and put menutray there and you have artificially created a standard type setup similar to a Mate desktop, use pcmanfm or rox and have it run the desktop and the illusion is complete with desktop icons and all.
So that's kinda the concept i'm mulling over, making it 32 bit and ultra light and fast, but with all the convenience you'd expect from a more complex desktop environment and a very familiar set-up for folks switching older computers from windows xp to linux, but still with enough advanced useability and geekiness to make experienced users very happy too.
Sounds like it will be "greenjeans great"!!! Can't wait! Hope it happens! 
Regarding what I highlighted in your quote above...even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. LOLOLOL!
Hey! That should be a distro's name somewhere...Blind Squirrel Linux.
#1182 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-31 18:34:07
Hi Miyo,
Is it worth holding eg. apt-mark hold obmenu-generator package to stop the menu being stuffed up when upgrading???
I hadn't thought of trying that. It would certainly be worth a try in MiyoLinux. If that doesn't work, at least "the fix" is easy and quick to do. I'm still thinking it's a dependency issue of some sort, but I could be wrong...usually am. LOLOLOL!
As for Vuu-do though, there isn't a obmenu-generator package to mark.
#1183 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-31 13:53:34
All of my MiyoLinux systems are now on ceres. Lo and behold, Radio Tray is in the repository. That alone is enough to make me upgrade to Ceres! LOLOL!
I'll have to check if it's available in ascii.
#1184 Re: Devuan » Questions for switching from Arch Linux to Devuan » 2017-07-31 13:24:25
-Backport applications and Google Chrome
Not sure how to apply this to Devuan, only find information for Debian and don't know if it's compatible, but i need openjdk8 or oraclejdk8 for work, and Google Chrome, maybe the instructions for getting both for Debian Jessie works well with Devuan?Thanks a lot and sorry for my newbie questions! Also thanks for putting the fun back into linux for me.
Yes, the Debian instructions for Chrome apply to Devuan (last I checked). You can install Chrome in Devuan by simply going to the Chrome website (if you already have a browser) and download the Chrome.deb file for Debian/Ubuntu. Install it with the Gdebi Package installer...or...you can install it through the terminal if you don't have the gdebi GUI installed on your system. I can also give you the terminal commands to install it without gdebi if needed. Just let me know which you prefer.
Any of the three methods will install Chrome and add the Chrome repository...and future updates of Chrome will be included on your system.
To add backports, just add the following to /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main
deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports mainI have no experience with openjdk8 or oraclejdk8...sorry.
#1185 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-31 02:44:53
but I might do a JWM version in 32, been playing with it and what comes out may not be the JWM you are used to.
Oooo...I hope it happens! I'd really like to see the Greenjeans' hackism on this!
#1186 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-30 23:57:17
WOW! Thanks for checking into all that, I haven't messed with ascii myself as i'm sticking with the stable branch for project iso's for now, but it's awesome watching other people experiment with it! That's what it's made for after all.
Glad to help in some small way. I like a challenge every now and then...if I figure something out, even if it works...it may not be pretty. LOL!
Maybe it'll at least get some Vuu-do users back up and running again.
I'm embarrassed to say this, but does the menu open on Jessie if clicking in or around the conky? Even though I included a conky in MiyoLinux, I never used it. ...and now I don't have a stable system to try it on. I've got everything running either ascii or ceres. LOLOLOL!!!
Oooohhh...just thought of this right before I was about to submit the reply. I can check on the Live version to see if the menu opens in or around the conky. DOH!
#1187 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-29 18:24:40
Okay...I've done some more investigating in regard to the post above regarding the menu in Vuu-do after an Ascii upgrade. In fact, I did a complete new install to start over from scratch. 
I confirmed that it wasn't a mouse issue. Before I did the following, the menu would open once after logging in, but it was hit or miss as to whether it would open anywhere on the desktop thereafter.
I now have a fully-functional menu on Vuu-do in Ascii...with one caveat...
Here's what I did...
There still is a glitch with the menu having something to do with the area in and around the conky...
After downloading the .deb package...
1. I once again saved the config.pl and schema.pl.
2. I then deleted the obmenu-generator folder in ~/.config
3. I then deleted the obmenu-generator file in /usr/bin/ (fungus is correct; there is no "obmenu-generator package" in Vuu-do)
4. I then installed the obmenu-generator .deb package (it installed 10 dependencies; the screen blinked, so that was a good thing!)
5. I then placed the "old" config.pl and schema.pl files in the newly created obmenu-generator folder in ~/.config (overwriting the new schema.pl file).
6. I then ran the command...
obmenu-generator -p -iTHE CAVEAT...That gave me a working Vuu-do menu again...HOWEVER...if I click in any area in (or closely around) the conky, the menu doesn't show up. Imagine drawing a rectangle about around the conky and the rectangle extends about 3/4" past the conky...the menu won't open anywhere inside of that rectangle. I would guess that probably has to do with the conky's "window" configuration, but I didn't take time to look.
However, it opens anywhere else on the desktop or any empty space on the panel.
With all of that said, this is not an official Vuu-do Openbox fix.
This is what worked for me. Greenjeans may figure out something better. I was just having fun trying to see if I could fix it. LOLOLOL! ...but I'm running out of time to try and research it any longer.
ABSOLUTELY AWESOME DISTRO PROJECT!!!!
#1188 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-29 14:14:50
MiyoLinux wrote:fungus wrote:From where I stand in ascii obmenu-generator doesn't even exist as a package which is why it didn't work.
I have managed to get it to work in other installations though
Artix the new non-systemd kid in the blockDid you try following the instructions in post #7 of this thread? I would be interested to know if those same instructions work in Vuu-do as they work in MiyoLinux.
Out of curiosity, I downloaded and installed the latest Vuu-do Openbox to see if the fix would work in Vuu-do...unfortunately, it didn't.
I did read (in the release notes) that greenjeans did some modifications to obmenu-generator (which I think is great). I'm not sure why installing the .deb package in Vuu-do (upgraded to Ascii) doesn't work.
Greenjeans, if you read this, it's just to give you information my friend.
SUCCESS!!! Click image to enlarge...this is Vuu-do with Ascii. Menu is working now (see edit below). The OS doesn't say Ascii, but you can see that it has the upgraded kernel.
That didn't take long! LOL!
This is what worked for me in Vuu-do...
I went through the steps outlined in post #7 of this thread...with no luck.
Then, I went into ~/.config of the file manager and deleted the obmenu-generator folder.
Reinstalled the obmenu-generator .deb package again (this time, the screen blinked, so I knew I was in business).
Of course, that also created a new obmenu-generator folder in ~/.config
I then moved the saved schema.pl and config.pl files into that folder (overwriting the newly created schema.pl file), and I had my Vuu-do menu back again! Easy-peasy!
By the way greenjeans...that grub screen is stinkin' awesome!
Edited to add: I am still experiencing a minor glitch; whereas, the menu doesn't appear at times upon right-click. Could just be my mouse going bad though.
#1189 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-29 14:01:31
fungus wrote:From where I stand in ascii obmenu-generator doesn't even exist as a package which is why it didn't work.
I have managed to get it to work in other installations though
Artix the new non-systemd kid in the blockDid you try following the instructions in post #7 of this thread? I would be interested to know if those same instructions work in Vuu-do as they work in MiyoLinux.
Out of curiosity, I downloaded and installed the latest Vuu-do Openbox to see if the fix would work in Vuu-do...unfortunately, it didn't. 
I did read (in the release notes) that greenjeans did some modifications to obmenu-generator (which I think is great). I'm not sure why installing the .deb package in Vuu-do (upgraded to Ascii) doesn't work.
Greenjeans, if you read this, it's just to give you information my friend.
#1190 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-29 10:47:56
From where I stand in ascii obmenu-generator doesn't even exist as a package which is why it didn't work.
I have managed to get it to work in other installations though
Artix the new non-systemd kid in the block
Did you try following the instructions in post #7 of this thread? I would be interested to know if those same instructions work in Vuu-do as they work in MiyoLinux.
#1191 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-29 01:59:50
Out of curiosity, I just finished upgrading from ascii to ceres...just to see what would happen.
Had to go through the same process to regain the menu in ceres.
...and look at what a nice surprise greeted me when I ran screenfetch in the terminal after the upgrade...Devuan's logo!
#1192 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » JWM Windows Manager » 2017-07-28 19:35:33
Hello, this is my first post, and the question is if there is intention to create a spin with JWM, its light and works ok.
I have not enough knowlegment in programming or OS to create this. There is some guru here that can create this? or include
as another Desktop option in the installation?Best Regards.
jma_sp,
In addition to the available spins of Devuan that use JWM, I'd like to encourage you to experiment with building your own.
You can do this in VirtualBox or Gnome Boxes (which is what I use) so that you can get the feel for it before committing to an actual installation on your hard drive.
First, let me state that I have no experience with JWM...but that's how we learn. Since you have some JWM experience, you would know more of what to install later on.
Here is a very basic outline of what I would do if I wanted to try making my own JWM build.
1. Download the Devuan Jessie netinstall .iso
2. Install it in VirtualBox or Gnome Boxes. HOWEVER...when you get to the step where you choose a desktop, REMOVE ALL OF THE CHECKMARKS...then continue.
3. After the installation completes, you will boot into a full-screen CLI.
4. Sign in with the username and password that you used during the installation.
5. At the next command, enter
su...then enter the root password that you chose during installation. You are now root and can install whatever you want.
6. This is my method; others may have another method...enter this command...
apt-get install lightdmThat will install basically everything you need for a functional desktop.
7. Then enter...
apt-get install jwmThat will install the JWM desktop.
Now, I don't know if installing JWM will include a terminal or not, so pay attention to what is installed along with jwm. If you don't see a terminal installed with it, then go ahead and install one now (the terminal of your choice); for example, ...
8.
apt-get install lxterminalI don't know what terminal is most common with JWM...
9. You may also want to install synaptic, gdebi, and possibly wicd (networking)...
10.
apt-get install synaptic gdebi wicd11. After you've installed those things, enter...
rebootThat will reboot the system, and it "should" give you a functional desktop, and with a terminal, synaptic, and gdebi...you should be able to install whatever else you need. Plus, installing gdebi will pull in a few other needful things.
I did see that you asked about JWM tools in another thread. This method won't help you there, but you will be able to build your own system from the ground up. It's a great way to learn friend!
If anyone with JWM experience sees this and notices where I'm wrong somewhere...please correct it.
#1193 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-28 14:15:38
While I was updating and upgrading I lost the right-click OB menu. I don't know what I did, but after updating I moved up to ascii and possibly some replacement issue broke the camel's back.
fungus, you might see if the fix (in the link below) will help. I haven't tried it on Vuu-do, but I would imagine it should work.
#1194 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » JWM Windows Manager » 2017-07-28 14:11:31
Crowz also has JWM (64bit only)
#1195 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-27 02:36:52
Wow, so all it took was re-installing the package? that is weird....I had noted it stopped working, figured maybe it was missing a dependency but hadn't had time to mess with it.
Thanks for the fix!
Did you try the new main executable? Don't think it's in that .deb package, it's still version .66, new obmenu-generator.pl is version .99 I believe.
To be honest greenjeans...no, I haven't tried the latest version. LOL!
My initial thought was that a dependency was missing too, but I removed every trace of obmenu-generator (at some point during my investigation), then reinstalled it in Ascii, and it installed fine...dependencies and all. I'm still not sure why it kicks the bucket on an upgrade from Jessie to Ascii...
#1196 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-26 02:49:02
Another problem with upgrading to Ascii in MiyoLinux is that several applications will no longer work from the menu...
Such as...
1. Gufw (firewall)
2. gparted
3. Synaptic Package Manager
...and probably any other applications that a user has installed that requires elevated privileges; such as, system-config-printer.
You can still access those applications through the Run command (or terminal) by opening either and entering...
gksu the-application-name
Such as, if you wanted to open the Synaptic Package Manager, you would open the Run command or terminal, and enter...
gksu synapticIf you want to be able to open them from the menu, you'll need to change their Exec= command. This is done by opening the file manager with the terminal as root...
sudo pcmanfm...and then navigating to /usr/share/applications
Find each application that doesn't open from the menu, right-click on it and open with your text editor, and change its Exec= command to...
gksu application-name
For example, when we look at the Synaptic Package Manager, it's Exec= command is shown as...
Exec=synaptic-pkexec
...we want to change that to...
Exec=gksu synaptic
After changing the command, close and save the file.
Follow suit with any other applications that won't open through the menu.
#1197 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-26 02:25:33
Maybe try logging out and back in? Always looking for the easiest solution . . .
I messed around with this off and on for several days as I had time...can't remember if I tried that or not! Anyway...I like doing things the hard way I guess. LOL!
#1198 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-26 02:13:29
golinux wrote:Was a reinstall even necessary? I have switched out config files and maybe I'll have to restart the app but have never had to reinstall.
golinux, this is the only way that I personally knew to get it working in Ascii...
I wasn't sure if restarting obmenu-generator would work, plus I wasn't sure of what the command might be.
If someone is willing to try that method and report the results, I would be grateful!
I will say this...
The first thing that I tried was to create a new menu with the standard command...
obmenu-generator -p -i...and that didn't work.
#1199 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-26 02:10:19
Was a reinstall even necessary? I have switched out config files and maybe I'll have to restart the app but have never had to reinstall.
golinux, this is the only way that I personally knew to get it working in Ascii...
I wasn't sure if restarting obmenu-generator would work, plus I wasn't sure of what the command might be.
If someone is willing to try that method and report the results, I would be grateful!
#1200 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-26 01:46:58
Something just occurred to me; I'm going to try one more thing to see if it's even more simple...
I'm not sure if removing the obmenu-generator folder and obmenu-generator are actually necessary.
I'm going to try just copying the schema.pl and config.pl files as described above. Then I'm going to just try reinstalling the .deb file. If that works, then replace the schema.pl and config.pl files.
I'll report back...
That worked!
I'll edit post #7...
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