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What is holding me back at this point is the age of the software.
Long term support from Devuan for jessie, i've heard until 2020 or so.
LTS kernel 3.16 too, projected end-of-life is April 2020
Software age overall doesn't mean much except for certain newer hardware that's been extensively microsofted to try and keep us out, lol, I understand totally if you need new drivers and firmware etc.
I use gpicview for a picture viewer on my systems, hasn't been actively developed since 2007 when the dev abandoned it and recommended everybody use something else since he wouldn't be adding to it or supporting it anymore.
A decade later and still nobody has made anything any better, it still works perfectly, lightning-quick and light on resources.
There is such a thing as homeostasis in a piece of (simple) software, when it reaches a point where it does everything you could ask of it, has no bugs, and just works indefinitely with no more maintenance required.
And that's about the time the developer gets bored with it and looks for some new stuff that's buggy as hell and overly complex, because that's more fun. ![]()
{...sigh....}
Caja is the MATE desktop's file browsing app. I want to compile and debug caja to fix a crash I found. However, my compiled caja looks different than devuan's installed caja. My caja has no menu, no toolbar, and no keyboard shortcuts.
I followed the warning message: "Unable to load ui file caja-shell-ui.xml" through the code. Eventually, I figured out that for my compiled caja, the DATADIR macro was defined as "/usr/local/share". But caja installs its files under "/usr/share".
The solution is that when I run autogen.sh to create the Makefile, I specify the DATADIR path, like this:
./autogen.sh --datadir="/usr/share"But my larger question is: If I want to be sure my compiled code is the same as Devuan's compiled code, how do I know what cmd line options Devuan used to compile code? This is not just for caja, but for any other package I might compile and debug in the future.
Curious if you located the source of the crash (bug) and what it was?
Several bugs in caja that I have lived with for years going back to when it was nautilus in gnome2. But it never crashes on me, that sounds more like dconf crapping out (again).
All in one, so it's a printer too correct?
The other config tool that always works for me is the system-config-printer package, been many many years since I had to work hard to set up a printer, I install that package and printer-drivers-all and it has worked on all debian or Devuan systems.
Hmmm, don't use a scanner much, but i've had the best luck using the Xsane frontend for saned.
New Openbox-64-minimal uploaded today: https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … 4-minimal/
I probably should have tested it a bit more, but it seems very nice, lol!
Added a tiny bit to it, lxrandr, the same additional alsa packages I added to the maximal, and I threw in bluetooth firmware because the package is pretty small and I really want stuff to work for folks out-of-the-box if at all possible.
Plus all the new changes I made to the maximal as far as menu, conky, icons etc.
Got a reply from the Osmo dev on my question, he was trying to clarify what I wanted and so I did, hope that feature I requested is feasible! Osmo isn't in the mini, and for right now in the maximal I have it set to startup minimized to tray when you left-click the clock (it's actually a switch like I do with conky, a second left-click shuts it down).
The way I want it to run is autostarted but minimized to invisibility, then i'll write a little minimize/maximize switch and attach it to the clock's left-click, so it works just like gsimplecal does in the mini.
I forgot to add to my vuu-do wishlist a menu item to edit the hot-key list
If you have any suggestion, it took me for ever to find where once and now I want to edit it again and don't know where it is.
I should have made a note but now I would be looking for the note.No, I have a vuu-do forlder, just saved the script in it.
It's always been there in the Configuration menu , Advanced >> Openbox >> Edit Openbox RC, just click that, it will open in the text-editor, scroll down a ways and you'll see the entries. ![]()
New version 1.0.3 Vuu-do Openbox-64-maximal up : https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … 4-maximal/
Best Vuu-do yet! Dang, forgot to take new screenshots.
So much is new and different in this edition it would take way too long to detail, and much of it you might not notice, but you'd notice if it hadn't been done, if that makes any sense.
Tons of work on the menu and the default icon set, expanded menu with more options, configuration options and programs to do it added. Conky display re-worked and much more informative and useful. Some utilities and programs more tightly integrated into desktop for a smoother quicker experience. Background and additional options added to screenlocker. Added lxrandr for a lightweight frontend for xrandr. Fixed little bugs and inconsistencies too numerous to mention. Fully updated and current as of earlier this week.
Enjoy and let me know what I missed, always more stuff to do and fix. ![]()
Adding another vote for Refracta-snapshot in the strongest possible terms. Don't linux without it!
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+100
Been doing this for years and use it everywhere without fail. Even if a forum doesn't boot you, sometimes a router will, or service goes down for a sec.
Sorry to resurrect this old thread but, care to share how you got it sorted out? I know there is a problem with rsyslog in ascii, but I have one install of jessie (devuan) that does have this problem. Is it easier just to use a different logging program like syslog-ng or busybox-syslogd?
Sorry, I should have posted at least the short version, basically I had wiped out two log files in /var/log/ using the snapshot exclusions when I made the iso.
Almost all files in /var/log/ are automagically re-generated on a new install, but there were some that don't, and rsyslog was hanging because it was trying to write to two files that didn't exist.
I'm pretty sure it was "btmp" and "wtmp" but I had also excluded the /var/log/fsck/ folder which has two files in it, it's possible they may have been the ones, that's as close as I got it narrowed down.
I replaced those files and the problem went away immediately.
+1 on Numix Frost, beautiful theme. And compatible with most DE's and window managers.
@FSR: It's in Miyolinux, that's where I got it too.
Such good info guys, thanks!!
Yeah I tried that cvlc command too and it's really cool without all the toolbars, but unfortunately no controls when you run that way.
If we could figure out a way to fool that controlless window into thinking it's been maximized to fullscreen, then maybe we could get the popup controls that appear when you are running regular video/DVD fullscreen to work with the webcam "cvlc" window??
Wouldn't that be trick? I started messing with it looking for an way to give folks an easy solution for playing with their webcam without having to install Cheese or something else, since VLC is already installed on my stuff and already does everything anyway.....was hoping at least the v4l2:// command was mostly universal so I could maybe add a menu entry for convenience.
cvlc v4l2:// --fullscreenwill give you the window fullscreen, you can hit escape once and it will shrink some and you have the regular window controls in the upper left, but no popup menu sadly.
Not having the problem with it shutting down like Miyo is though, weird.
As you all gnow, GNOME, the pinnacle of desktop GUI design,
LOLOLOLOL!!!
Nice! I literally LOL'ed out loud, people are looking at me funny in the coffeeshop. ![]()
Seriously though, nice work getting the bad tablet/phone-wannabe-interface to actually kinda work for a change, I gotta say that takes some serious skills, kudos!
You know you can do this with just VLC right? File >> Capture device >> and then hit the dropdown "capture mode" at the top and change from "Video camera" to "desktop".
While on this subject, if you get a chance, will you try this in terminal or gmrun :
vlc v4l2://FYI that's an 'L' after the 4, it's actually video4linux2, first time I tried it I thought it was a one.
That should launch your webcam with VLC, trying to see if this universally works, works on all my machines, v4l does a great job of figuring out the correct device.
Why would anyone even want jessie now that debian 9 has been released?
Couldn't tell ya, I don't use Debian and really wasn't waiting for them to release 9 to start doing so, you'll forgive me if I don't get that excited or ever even really pay attention to what Debian is doing and don't care. ![]()
We need to work on jessie too granted, but ascii is more important in my opinion.
Why?
Jessie is stable and works, it does every conceivable task I could ask a computer to do and does it well. By FAR the lion's share of users want exactly that, 99.9% of them couldn't even tell you what a kernel is, much less which one they are using.
The only people clamoring for the latest bleeding edge distro-breaking whizzbangs, are a very few users that need some newer firmware, and a bunch of hardcore linux geeks that must have the latest everything for reasons even they can't fully explain or understand.
Given those facts, it's more than a little ridiculous to try and lobby people like the VUA's (who are trying to make a nice stable operating system for folks to use), to give that up and focus solely on trying to break as many computers as possible with buggy untested unstable software.
Plenty of work to be done on the stable branch, it's just a stable canvas to work on, people haven't even begun to scratch the surface of what it can do, or how to put it together in new and better ways.
And not for nothing but there are plenty of things to fix left by buggy gnome and redbutt annoyance-ware, and if we keep avoiding those issues they will never get fixed, there are bugs in Mate that have been there for over 5 years and before that in gnome2 and are STILL broken, while Mate actually brags (..shudder..) about switching to GTK3.....
Not gonna push the VUA's to do things any faster by making posts demanding they hurry up or by belittling the work they've already done, just gonna piss 'em off eventually and delay things even more.. it's childish and it needs to stop.
People have no idea of the true mountainous amount of work that has to be done to put out a distro like Devuan, no idea at all.
Zapper, sorry, not all this is directed at you, just needed saying and you caught the short straw this time.
Almost forgot to post this, I decided that for future Vuu-do releases, that it will follow the Devuan releases insofar as being alphabetical, the current 1.*.* series of Vuu-do is just jessie like Devuan, starting with ascii (when ready) it will be alphabetical order.
The animal naming scheme for Ubuntu is one of the few things I like about it.
So the ascii version of Vuu-do will be................................................................................
................ARMADILLO!
lolololol! Got a little cartoon vision in my head, Golinux chasing a fat lil Vuu-do armadillo around the yard with a stick. hahahaha! ![]()
In another distro, where newer versions of packages appear faster, it appears that conky is having problems without systemd. It requires a libsystemd.0 which the non-systemd people didn't catch on time to include a dummy libsystemd patch. I suspect this may float downstream at some point and reach devuan. Also despite of how nice the obmenu-generator seems it keeps crashing on me and gives me all kinds of strange messages about desktop.free.crap missing etc. So I gave up fighting and returned to plain obmenu which works the same with no icons, and less ram
Without an autostarting panel and with obmenu-generator crashing and without a hot-key set-up for terminal (like a vuudo chile) you can get stuck in a pretty background screen unable to do anything. So if you don't have something like good'ol LXDE how do you get to console to edit openbox/autostart and add a panel? Recovery mode? Pain in the freaking 5th wheel.
I think a hot key terminal is a life savyor.
From the Release notes of the new version i'm working on now:
Greenjeans closing note: I'm pretty sure if you try to update Vuu-do (jessie) to ascii or ceres that it will all go to hell, please record your epic cussing fits on video for my later enjoyment, i'm especially gratified and entertained when people throw stuff.
I'll make a Vuu-do ascii when there's a stable ascii, but i'm not in a hurry, it's a ton of work for the VUA's and i'm just glad they do it.
And in any case, this branch is supported for a couple of years or so, and the 3.16 kernel is LTS too, and believe me there is _plenty_ of work that can be done to make the stable branch even better, it's a field day for creativity because it's pretty dang hard to screw up Devuan stable too badly with your hacking, ask me how I know.
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peace y'all,
~GJ
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Bloody hell, I just checked my spam folder in gmail, first time in quite a while, and there was a note from FOSSuser recommending adding a battery indicator in the conky display from back in early August. Google mail is such crap, I specifically whitelisted everything Devuan a while back, so didn't think to look into spam folder. Could have implemented that battery idea over a month ago....{sigh}...
Better late than never though, thanks FOSSuser, awesome idea and I agree 100%! ![]()
Please keep suggestions coming guys when you have time, this helps a LOT.
Wow is this stuff a lot of work, spent many hours this weekend. But starting to get excited about next version, I have done a ton of stuff and it's all working great so far, exposed some more functionality, fixed tons of little stuff, much work on menu, icons, .desktop files etc.
Kinda had forgotten I set obsession.conf to use i3lock, after Somewhat_Reticent mentioned it I tried suspend with locking activated as it currently is on new iso's, and it is a little weird like that, so have now disabled it as default, to enable just edit ~/.config/obsession.conf, it's just one line, un-comment it and it will enable screenlocking on resume from both suspend and hibernate, I put some notes in that file and a lot of others too, so as to help folks trying to re-configure their system. I am going to work on an image background for the locked screen later today, that gives some basic info to make this process nicer.
Added a gstreamer alsa plugin that for some reason nothing seemed to actually depend on, but it might expose some extra functionality, in that vein I also added the extra alsa plugins package too, and an equalizer for alsa. I added menu links to EQ and Mixer and volumeicon right-click offers the mixer as well, had to add some geometry settings to the commands to open the two programs, the default lxterminal opening window size was not quite wide enough to fit all the columns and so would have a small sidescroll, a small thing, but it's the details that count yes? ![]()
Added some options for screenshots, Scrot doesn't have a pretty GUI ike mate-screenshot does, but it will still do everything, just have to make right commands, so I added a sub-menu with 3 options, Desktop (entire), Desktop-5 second delay, and Select area w/mouse.
Refracta tools gets it's own sub-menu with all 3 fabulous programs there, it's now under 'Advanced' section because they definitely belong there if anything does, I also NoDisplayed the .desktop files for Refracta to avoid menu redundancies, I modded a LOT of .desktop files for this reason and it really cleaned up the menu, yes you'll get some back if you update and don't retain or re-mod the files, but at least you start off with a nice clean install, and that alone made it worth doing for me.
Obmenu generator is pretty heavily modded now, i'll share the code if anyone wants to play with the new stuff, but it won't all work right if you don't have the current Oxy2-ZEN icon set on my Vuu-do build partition amongst other things.
@Miyolinux and users: Hey FYI and maybe you already figured this trick out, but if your icons in the menu seem a little low-res and fuzzy, go into the config.pl file and find the setting for icon size, change that to 48 (default I think is 24), this will force obmenu-generator to use the larger size and shrink it to fit the menu size (which I think is also 24), giving you MUCH sharper icons, the difference was pretty dramatic on mine.
New conky settings rock, the battery and AC adapter notifications are already saving me headaches, lol. Current ConkyRC file down below if you want to try it, not sure this will be the final for new iso, but it's very close and I like it a lot.
Fixed system tray which was using different color for tooltips than the rest of the panel was, it's little stuff like this, just tons of 'em when you start to really look at the system.
Some extra artwork, maybe an extra desktop background, certainly some new icons, screenlock image, etc. So much else, can't remember all right now, here's a screenie though (stupid internets makes pic look fuzzy, it's actually sharper and clearer than ever on the machine):

ConkyRC:
alignment top_left
background no
#border_margin 5
border_width 5
default_color 999999
double_buffer yes
draw_borders no
draw_outline no
draw_shades no
gap_x 10
gap_y 10
maximum_width 1000
minimum_size 800
no_buffers yes
override_utf8_locale yes
own_window yes
own_window_title conky
own_window_hints undecorated,below,sticky,skip_taskbar,skip_pager
own_window_transparent yes
own_window_type normal ## normal /override /desktop
text_buffer_size 8000
total_run_times 0
update_interval 1
uppercase no
use_xft yes
xftalpha 1
xftfont Freesans:pixelsize=9
TEXT
${voffset -5}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=30}${time %A %B %d, %Y %l:%M %P}${font}
${voffset +2}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=16}RAM: ${mem /} / ${memmax /} HD: ${fs_used /} / ${fs_size /} SWAP: ${swapperc /} / ${swapmax /}
# If you are running Vuu-do on a desktop instead of a laptop, comment out the next line directly below this one to remove battery/charge info
${voffset -8}battery: ${battery BAT0 /} ac adapter: ${acpiacadapter /}
${voffset -7}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=12}${alignc}
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alt + f = file manager
alt + t = terminal
alt + l = lock screen
alt + s = suspend
alt + h = hibernate
alt + r = reboot
alt + p = power-off/shutdown
alt + c = conky on/off switch
prt sc = take screenshot
-----------------------------------------------------------
${if_running exaile}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=16}now playing : ${execi 10 exaile --get-title} – ${execi 10 exaile --get-artist}$endifNew Mate maximal up today: https://sourceforge.net/projects/vuu-do … 4-maximal/
Almost done with the Mate mini, had to update today and might finish tonight or tomorrow, probably be up Monday or so.
And that will be all the 1.0.2 versions up.
Already working on 1.0.3, some nice config changes already happening, working on perfecting icon set too. Making some changes to conky, changing the HD listing to "used/total" config to match RAM and added a line for Swap too. I'm not into big giant conky displays, trying to keep this one pretty small and only really useful info, so with that consideration I added a couple more things, since the xfce power manager doesn't offer a tray status icon, and Mate's is completely broken and doesn't work right anyway, I put a simple battery status line in conky that displays the battery's state (charging, discharging, charged) and it's percentage of charge remaining. Next to that a line that simply lets you know whether the AC adapter is off or online.
Anybody have an opinion on the best config tool for Alsa? Somewhat-reticent is right, needs to be some more detailed config of sound in the Openbox Vuu-do's. Quite a few choices when you search on alsa in synaptic. The mixer is already onboard and clicking the volume icon will offer it, alsamixer-gui in the repo is just a gui version of the mixer which normally opens in terminal if I recall correctly, so that won't help much.
Also, wondering if I should provide a better way to choose video resolution in Openbox? I never have to mess with it usually, if I do I use xrandr in terminal, but maybe I should include arandr? Again though it seems like a kinda half-baked gui that looks and does the same thing as xrandr does in terminal....
And lastly, I have added some time configuration in the Openbox versions, zone-change-via-right-click on the clock and NTP is onboard maximals and should correct just fine. But I can't seem to find a GUI frontend to change time manually like you can in the Mate versions, anybody know of one that works in Openbox?
One small addition, there is also at least one more place (for a sinle user system) in /root/.confg/obmenu.... so if root is logged in will have the great Miyo menu as well.
+1, I do this for root account, I never usually log in directly to root account though I do a ton of su/admin tasks every day, but I know some folks just run strictly as root all the time.
Also need to copy tint2 config and openbox configs into root account if you want identical experience.
greenjeans wrote:So I guess nobody uses Bleachbit?
Keeps my system nice and clean and fast.
All hail to Bleachbit! I am fully sold on Bleachbit's bleachiness!
LOL! YES!!
Hey by the way, thanks for the detailed and awesome rsync info, it will be implemented ASAP as I am right now suffering through the wait period of another http upload, having had one fail on me already today, lol.
garyz.dev1 wrote:Not sure how your ~ (home) is setup - but I noticed my.xsession-errors was upto 6.8Mb !!
You are not alone! https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1515 Mine is already back up to 30mb.
So I guess nobody uses Bleachbit?
Keeps my system nice and clean and fast.
FYI: VLC is installed already in the maximal versions. ;-)
If installing it on a minimal, Synaptic is the recommended way as it is for all packages in Vuu-do.
To me it sounds like you went over on space during the update, and thus may have gotten partials, half-installs etc.
I'm pretty sure you broke that install my friend, sorry. I would save the data you want to keep and start over with a clean install, only takes a few minutes anyway.