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Thanks a bunch! Downloading now to try it out. I've been contemplating going back to good ol' MATE recently.]
My pleasure friend! Yeah, I just have to go back to cushy ol MATE every now and then, plus I do a lot of conversions for older folks and the MATE interface is very easy for them to pickup on as it's similar in it's basic functions as older versions of windoze that most of them used to use.
Yep, like Steve said, I have had pretty good luck finding older ram sticks on ebay.
Phone free again here since October of last year :smug:
Have never in my life owned a smart phone, went without a phone period for several years back in the day. Moved out to the country last year and my cheapie walmart Tracfone wouldn't get any bars, so I chunked it in the trash, don't miss it a bit.
Wife has one, but she stays off it most of the time.
Stupid phones interfere with all my various mad-redneck-scientist projects.
Off-topic: Lxterminal dropped support for faux transparency, I has a sad now.
That was my favorite feature and what made it even better than Mate terminal. With fake transparency it showed my lovely wallpaper in the background instead of whatever folder or directory I was in.
One more thing just struck me, I was never able to get the original Vuu-do to hibernate, I did get suspend working when you close the lid on a laptop by adding an /etc/acpi/events entry connecting to a small script that invokes obsession-exit -s.
Since you mentioned hibernation requires it knowing the UUID of the swap partition it's easy enough for me to do on my own machine, but is there a way to do that generic-ly during install?
@fmsithred, thank you! Will try.
Trust me, I know about the dependency upon dependency thing, i've borked a thousand installs over the last 15 years trying to figure it out, lol. Nowadays I pretty much know what I can get away with, but of course things change over time....thes days I usually run through list of dependants, then if there's a question I go on the web and do some research.
When I pulled MATE, the system demanded I uninstall Pulse and install Pipewire, I was so giddy at the thought of getting rid of Pulse completely that I just said okay. Shoot, even the old Vuu-do is not free of Pulse completely, something dragged in libpulse0 and I couldn't get rid of it, so I basically dummied it out for a (hacky) solution. So maybe I can dump Pipewire too? Was wondering if it was any good....
I know I should have started from the ground up, but I tried that earlier this year and got so frustrated trying to work with the CLI and apt that I just stopped. Sorry, i'm a GUI guy. Part of that was I had limited time, I actually have all winter now, and I debated for a while about which way to do it, decided to try and see if this way worked first, and now i've got so much work in it I am loathe to start over, day before yesterday I got up at 7 a.m. and worked on it all day until 2:30 a.m. the next morning, slept for about 3-4 hours and got up and went back at it all day.
@Altoid no worried from me about thread-jacking, all this is very informative. But forum decorum being what it is perhaps I should change the title and maybe get Golinux to wave her magic wand and put it in DIY? Mods do what you think is best.
So question number 5:
5. Given that my system was working completely fine for user without polkit running, just needed to use terminal for root things, Would it be at all feasible to write some sort of script that only started polkit up when a request is made for superuser access and then have it shut down once you were done? It eats up a lot of ram running all the time.
And I just gotta say, great googly-moo, the stupid policy kit takes 75-100 mb of ram while it's running, what the actual? Is that really necessary?
#linuxatemyram
if the machine won't boot from usb media and you don't want to burn through a bunch of cd/dvd disks(harder to find and more expensive these days)
Actually they seem cheaper than ever, its what I have used for 15 years, and the nice thing is I have a stack of isos going all the way back with everything I ever did, and every distro I ever tried and liked enough to keep, all on solid media that will never be corrupted as long as I don't have a house fire, lol. ![]()
Honestly on a machine as old as the OP's, that's a better choice.
But you're right, 512 mb is gonna be tough. Especially if he wants to try and run a browser. If he had just a gig at least, Vuu-do and a lot of others would work. I've run the old Vuu-do maximal in an old machine with 1 gig, and loaded the liveCD into ram and it worked great, but that was the old 1.07 with the old version of Palemoon.
ETA: What would work great, is Puppy linux from around 2010-2011 or so, before Barry quit for a while and the community bloated the living crap out of it.
Another way to revert su to the old behavior is to put the following in /etc/default/su (which you will probably have to create).
Yep, that's the method I mentioned at the link Rolfie posted, works great!
In addition, despite that, synaptic and other admin stuff would still not start from menu, turns out the policy kit was not starting up at boot, even though there's an entry for it in /etc/xdg/autostart, I had to add a line to start it in /home/vuudo/.config/openbox/autostart, after that everything started working fine, almost....
But my extensions for root edit/access would still not work using pkexec instead of gksu.
So I found a little code online, modded it some, and made a little script I called gksu.sh and dropped it in the $PATH, all it does when you call it is convert the gksu.sh command to a full pkexec command and then executes pkexec and the action you asked for. Keeps me from having to add a bunch of code into the .desktop exec command lines.
Working soooo smooth now, and so much faster and lighter weight than MATE, I am literally almost done building Vuu-do 2, really the only issues I have left are these:
1. Getting a bunch of video artifacts on startup, logout, and shutdown, weird stuff, the Devuan-mate-mini does it too. My original install of Daedalus a year ago did it too at first, then for some reason it stopped doing it all on it's own, wonder what that's about?
2. Totally personal to my machine i'm sure, but whenever I boot any version of Daedalus, it hangs up right at first when you boot for a minute or two, then puts out a message "Gave up on waiting for a suspend/resume device". Not sure what it's looking for, any way to bypass that behavior on my machine?
3. Alsa doesn't seem to want to start at all, so volumeicon isn't working properly and cannot fire up alsamixer or equalizer. I pulled Pulse out (YAY!) and it installed pipewire instead, pretty stoked about dumping pulse, but have no experience with Pipewire so don't know what to expect.
4. I started this from a clean install of Devuan-mate-mini, loaded openbox stuff and got a good working environment, logged into openbox session, uninstalled all the MATE stuff in Synaptic, but now Synaptic thinks that a whole lotta important stuff is now "auto removable". We're talking stuff that would destroy the whole system if I auto-removed it, the entirety of Xorg, most prgrams and system libraries, all of gstreamer, it's bizarre, like 60-70 of the most important packages in the system. What the heck?
That's what happens when you play Rip Van Winkle for so long . . .
It's like I walk out to my truck, put in the key and start it up, but the transmission won't shift out of park today because I didn't use my extra-super-dooper-superuser-key that I didn't know I had or needed to use.
Thanks rolfie, the workaround posted at the link you gave me worked fine and now it's behaving as i'm used to.
I don't like either, but I seem to be an old man yelling at clouds the last couple days anyway.
But hey, I learned new things so it's a good day. Really appreciate the forum members here helping me out.
@ceeslans Thank you!
Wow @rolfie, thanks for the link big-time, sure enough that new install is doing that, su - has all access. That makes me happy and sad and confused all at the same time.
Happy because I didn't do badly, my goal with the Mate-mini was to make a 100% stock Devuan with no changes or additions by me, pure Devuan as-delivered. So I guess I did that, and if that's the way they want it, so be it. Relieved.
Confused because if this goes all the way back to Beowulf, why did it not do it on my other Devuan installs from a year ago? And also, if someone would humor an out-of-touch old curmudgeon:
Why was this necessary?
Where is it? Hard-coded into Bash?
The su stuff has already changed in Beowulf: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf … _notes.txt
I'm sitting here right now using stock Daedalus from a netinstall I did a year ago, and that's not the behavior it exhibits, plain old su works just like it always did. That's why I didn't expect this. And I never modified anything to do with the $PATH.
The default settings for the system in all the files i've checked are identical in Daedalus installed a year ago and the one I installed last week from the most recent netinstall iso.
hi, reminds me of the $PATH shinanighans that came with Devuan Chimaera release...
where su no longer gave the user the path root would have.
I wonder if you get a different path if you type 'su -' instead of su.
Seems weird, but maybe you could check that.
Wow, I hadn't heard about that, will give it a check.
I'm an idiot.
Thank you Glenn!
Okay another weird one.
At some point in my frequent frenetic installing and more installing this last week, I screwed up swap. No biggie, done it before, just usually have to adjust /etc/fstab.
That didn't work out for some reason this time, so I fired up gparted on main system (sda/1) and assigned a new UUID, closed it, modded fstab on sda/1, then opened terminal and su'ed to root and ran
swapon --all --verboseand swap fired right up. All good.
Now on to sda/2, did same thing, worked perfectly.
Now to sda/3 the new Daedalus Mate-mini, fixed fstab, terminal, su-to-root, run swapon command again and I get the same message that you would get if you tried that command as a user instead of root
bash: command not found??? It has mount installed and all files are there, swapon and swapoff in /sbin....i'm at a loss here, why would it not let root run swapon?
And the thing is, swap is not off on that partition, the system monitor reports it sees it and it's working.
???
Edit: And tried swapoff, got the same message, bash can't find it.
There is still documentation on the refracta website:
https://refracta.org/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txtHave no idea how current it is . . .
As fsmithred once told me, it is for sure a huge swiss army knife of a program, but it can be confusing because it has so many options and things it can do, so there's a learning curve. I asked him at one point why it wasn't still around but can't remember what he said about that.
I have a couple different USB sticks I made with it, one just a standard liveUSB, one with persistence. I also have a stick that I did a conventional install one with a swap partition and all just for an experiment, but I think I just used Refracta-installer to do that one.
So that means I have to do an apt-cache depends ( and download the dependencies ) for each dependence of the desired program ? 😭
That's what I do, but as Steve_V rightly said if you have an active connection apt can do it for you.
There is a way to have apt resolve depends using local packages, and that's if you have set up an offline repo of your own.
I did this years ago when gnome 2 was transitioning to gawdawful 3, I downed the entire repo including all gnome 2 packages and set myself up an offline repo in case I ever wanted more programs in the gnome 2 system I was using at the time.
Ahh, another thought just struck me, forgive me as i'm still a novice at this, but the Daedalus livedcd is a UEFI enabled version, I couldn't even install it on my machine as I use legacy bios and MBR, I could boot the liveCD just fine, but could not install it on my machine.
That's why I made the Mate-mini without that option, so it could be installed on legacy machines.
Possibly yours won't boot that as it's old and also uses MBR/BIOS?
Might try the mini I just made and see if that works if nothing else.
Shame Refracta-to-usb isn't still around, or is it somewhere? That's what i've been using since Devuan 1, it'll do whatever you want it to as long as you can figure out how to ask it right, lol.
I see there's Mintstick in the repo, have never tried it though.
DD works, saw a little wrapper shell for it the other day that uses some sanity-checks so you don't screw yourself, can't remember where it was.
@ceesians true, and there's also that option at the top of the file menu. I was just using that one as it's the easiest to test, since it doesn't require other programs and scripts to work, just lxterminal.
There's a half a dozen others I use and that's what i'm concerned about, resize image, rotate image, edit file as root, open folder as root, set image as wallpaper, view exif data etc.
Basically i'm reproducing the functionality you can get in Caja file manager in MATE by installing the extras from the repo, I really missed that one-click convenience when I started using Openbox and PcmanFM.
I tried that desktop file and it does create the option to 'open terminal here' but it doesn't work. Message is "invalid desktop entry file". when I try to execute it.
Well that's progress at least, it's not even showing up for me. Wonder if there's some conflict since i'm also using MATE on that partition?
Sigh, lots of stuff to do, I really thought this was going to be easier than last time, lol. Right now Synaptic won't even open from the menu when i'm in the Openbox session.
Hurray pkexec, so glad they dumped gksu, because who would want a simple program that actually worked when you can have a mountain of crappy gnome policy s**t that doesn't work half the time on your machine?
Okay, solved the krita thing at least effectively though I still don't know how it happened, logged into root account and it was not happening and there was a message that there were no "templates" installed.
Logged back in to user account and sure enough in the Templates folder there it was, krita appimage. And I was today years old when I learned you could put stuff in Templates and have it appear in context-menus, lol.
But I never put it there or downloaded any krita appimages, so i'm stumped how it got there.
@fsmithred, when you have moment can I ask a big favor?
Drop the below extension in /home/(user)/.local/file-manager/actions/ , then you have to close pcmanfm, then re-open, and see if you now have an option to open terminal there?
[Desktop Entry]
Type=Action
Name=Open Terminal Here
Comment=Open terminal in the current folder
Icon=lxterminal
Profiles=on_folder;
[X-Action-Profile on_folder]
Exec=lxterminal --working-directory=%f
MimeTypes=inode/directory;My apologies, been a while since I did this stuff and I should have tested more before posting.
This weird abomination now occurs across all file managers in this install, pcmanfm, pcmanfmqt, and also Caja when i'm running a MATE session.
I don't know when it happened, or whether it was in some update I did, or third party stuff I installed, or maybe one of the appimages i've been trying.
But it obviously stuck something in the system files somewhere that makes it occur in all file-managers. Kinda freaking me out.
Newer pcmanfm gtk version will still just not use right-click extensions, apparently this started happening off and on about 4-5 years ago, about the time they started working with the qt version. It's really aggravating me because in the qt version they seem to want to work at least, they show up in the context-menu at least when you right-click.
Seriously considering using an older version that actually works properly and just pinning it.