Still wondering if not using GPL licensing, solves any issues or makes them worse.

That being said,  will say this once more,

As an example archlinux has:
Core
Community
Extra
Multilib

The libraries, the programming languages, hell, any core part of the system, should be licensed permissively and be mostly bloat free.
As for the applications, themselves, that is up in the air as far as I am concerned.

I still don't know if getting rod of copyleft licensing would solve anything at this part, given the "corporate syndrome"

Or as I call it, the "redhat syndrome"

Tell you what, I will consider calling it systemD, under one condition...

If they change the meaning from Daemon, to Destructive

Only then, will I consider this...

I am sure I will be waiting till either:

A: The earth ends or more likely the human race is extinct and not the world, or the universe itself, similar...
B: Till I die/or am in a vegetable state, hopefully not...
C: the "redhat way" dies a horrible terrifying death, although something other joke will be made, if they develop something more twisted and venomously impossible to escape.
D: Someone trolls the hell out of them and makes an edit, hacks their service, in which case it won't stay that way very long and I will only stop temporarily.
E:  The Climate gets bad enough, that people are forced to debloat the web and the world and these rich expletives are dealt with severely, etc..
F: Some combination, or something unknown
G: Some combination of the above.
Not sure which of them will actually happen of the above, but pretty sure if it were to happen, I will be very old and it might not matter by then.
I would prefer to be a pessimist, but the world is tragically, prideful to the point where it gets its confidence from exploiting others, or the world, or just being stupidly evil in so many ways...
Why else do people who already have so much damn money, to the point of being billionaires, want more money?

At some point, they won't be able to spend it all, or gain that much more power that it means anything...

So yeah, that is all.

It does also block malware which as you probably know,  can  be used to cause damage in less direct ways.

Aka, not a threat to the hardware and likely not the system software if its linux... usually anyhow, but in other, let's say, sneakier more obnoxious ways.

Btw,  even if you think there is nothing sensitive on that machine, the nothing to hide argument dies the moment someone tries to plant and/or use fake evidence against you if people in higher places dislike you, want to get rid of you, etc...

This all  being said,  if you use emulators, be careful.

The trolling, however, I am fully on board with it.

I legit actually, after seeing chain letters on youtube enough decided to make some parody chain letters and someone gave me my favorite accolade:

The person said that they had seen some really stupid chain letters but mine topped the list...

This was before Google acquired youtube thanks to the expletive FBI/DCMA copyright expletives.

Point being, I miss the days of chain letters being common on youtube and when I could troll the shit out of them, by making weird expletive ones.

Trust me, I got very unhinged in my nonsense back then LOL!

I don't know you well, but out of curiosity which Unix, do you plan to use?

By Unix, I mean BSD btw.

I recommend OpenBSD, if you have very basic needs.

That system puts everything including other BSDs and probably most operating systems to shame in general, due to lack of bloat and reasonable security that linux wouldn't go near ever.

Anywho, no hard feelings from me, but in all seriousness, most operating systems communities/fans have more toxicity then they should.

Point being, pick whatever OS suits you best, all I will say is, it would be wise to pick that one if you need the minimum in functionality, aka word processor, low tech games and web browser stuff.

Sorry though, I hope you know, your not the only one I do this too. I do this to anyone I consider requiring to loosen up.

Either way, peace then and have a good one!

Btw, just so you know, I am not trolling you right now.

When I troll, I prefer sarcasm or nonsense anyhow.

Btw, you really should chill, believe it or not, this is a friendlier crowd. If you want unfriendly or immature crowds, go to ArchLinux, or Debian fourms, try this stuff there, see how bad their response is.

Trust me, it won't be long till you get a new interesting title next to your username and it is similar to:

Banner

But it has one letter different.

xD

There is a better way anyhow, he could just...

*GASP* NOT USE GNOME!

*HORRIBLE*

I am one of the few out there who want a stable, libre, privacy focused simplisticly designed system, meaning, the core of the system of an OS, to me shouldn't adopt every bloated corporate ideal under the sun. Aka, java, anything requiring dbus, systemd, wayland, pulseaudio, pipewire, openssl only, as mandatory dependencies and stuff like it, as much as possible.

This all being said, with linux, the more you are willing to do DIY, it seems like the more potential for actual stability, security, freedom, etc... otherwise you get a mess... all for the sake of shiny eye candy.

Btw, it would have been easier if this person just instaled XFCE4. While this isn't free from the crap I mentioned, completely, it is at least many times more stable from what I remember than the following:
KDE
GNOME
MATE
LXQT
CINNAMON
Some window managers that are bloated as well, etc...

This has been my past experience btw... when I used devuan and other systems prior especially... with the exception of my current system of course...

Btw, using the terminal is not as hard as newbies or outsiders to linux would think. The documentation is friggin everywhere on the web lately.

Oh one last thing too, love your sarcasm... only removed that part, because mods don't like too much unneeded comments from what they reply to.

@blackhole I think we can agree on one thing in particular, Microsoft is probably not just years, but possibly even a few decades away from making such a change, unless they feel like they have no choice, or they are far enough in their design that they could pull a "google" like move and still make as much as they made before.
I get the feeling you are basically saying that is a huge NO to both of those.

Btw, you can feel free to skip to the very bottom if you get bored, but these are some things I do think in general regarding bloatware, below:

As for the thing about BSD and Unixlike systems being targetted more, that would depend largely on if you use a linux system with a lot of overengineered crap in it, like systemd, dbus, pipewire, wayland, etc... basically stuff that is made to force vendor lock in aka... or if you use something without a lot of that stuff, or if you use a BSD or Linux distro  which avoids adding that crap, etc...

Btw, saying microsoft is actually secure nowadays sounds like a joke to me. Although I suppose microsoft could have you connected to a server the moment your OS boots to protect you from other people's malware... obviously not theirs...

That being said, forced upgrades and no way to turn that function off and also, its stability, constant surveillance, backdoors, etc...

I get if you say they have better security then before and the fact you didn't mention privacy, because that would be completely pointless, but even then, I don't completely agree with your assessment on either of these two things.

if they switched to a BSD or Linux kernel, this would not be bad for all of them, just the ones that adopt the most bloatware,  which would be huge damage to the Linux users, but for people who use OpenBSD, it would probably be just a tiny scratch given their standards on security.

My point being, the sandboxing features of OpenBSD are massive.
Although, even then, avoid the mainstream linux distros that absorb all the corporate bullcrap that redhat convinces people to adopt and you probably still have probably a thousand times better security. Hell, unless you have proprietary nonsense enabled with remote issues, you still would be better off and even if you had to do so, still better off.

This all being said, I don't think any of this is beneficial long term for Linux... unless it forces the majority of distros to change how things are done similar to Hyperbola.

Which, let's face it,  would only happen if actual hell broke loose on most computers using Linux due to the redhat bloat and it could be proven, etc...

to say there is less than 1% of all this, would be laughable... more like less than 0.0001% chance...

To put it simply:

"@zapper: Yes I understand that your arguments were not based purely on one OS being older than the other - just pointing out that commercial  reasons for a new "base" are lacking, in more ways than one."

I agree with you on the commercial reasons part, mostly because they would probably have had some info leaked by now, etc... if this was true.

I had trouble last time I used daedalus too... to be fair.

Though it might be in beta still, it was last time I used it... last I checked.

I actually, just realized something beyond stupid and possibly insane...

As long as I keep "using it" and the folder its being created in, is open, theoretically, it should keep pumping them out... and as long as I don't do what I usually do... aka, use bleachbit, nonstop, etc... to delete thumbnails, etc...

The problem is basically solved...

facepalm.jpeg seems appropriate here... like on an insane scale...

xD

So...  my apologies, its solved.  Btw, I think that was what you just said, right?

The funny thing is, for some unknown reason, a lightbulb went off when I was deleted files via bleachbit-gtk...

the .thumbnails folder... is the solution!

Anyways, thanks for the help... I appreciate it!

The only thing I really need to do which should be easy enough, is to make sure when I exit jwm, I have it set to paste those files elsewhere on shutdown... 

@blackhole

So you don't think they will become the next Google, down the road somewhere?
Btw, I am not doubting BSD, Linux and others being old, my point was not at all that they weren't.

I just thought Microsoft would want to have actual security while still being able to do the BS google or apple does, etc...

To put it bluntly, security without the privacy...

Although, this might be for the better anyhow...

Google is a huge fan of planned obsolescence anyhow... even more the microsoft... all you have to do is see the amount of products Google kills and how long they stay around compared to Microsoft products being killed and you will know what I mean.

This all being said, I don't think its a pipe dream at all.

But also, maybe in the near future it would be useful in some way?

But I doubt Microsoft would do this, without getting enough things into place to where it wouldn't be just as privacy invasive as their old system.

The main difference would be its ability to get malware probably would be much less...

Btw, I don't think Microsoft would base their new OS on linux due to the GPL issues that annoy them.

More than likely they would do what Apple did, only somewhat less restrictive with their specifications, but just as terrible as Google's security.

Long story short?

*If they did do this for some reason, I very much doubt, they would be unprepared to abuse it in a way similar to their old operating system. Thus, it would probably be largely similar and not a useful change for anyone.*

That would be my understanding... but I hope that I am wrong about the majority of these. With the exception of them considering open sourcing like Google, but obviously without any other "Google" changes.

*Rant done... *

If that happens and HyperbolaBSD isn't finished on an alpha level let alone  a  beta level, with the functionality I need most, then I will switch to OpenBSD.

PS, I don't need the same amount of "stuff" people need.

A word processor, web browser, maybe some lightweight emulators, qemu and a lightweight window manager, basically what Hyperbola has now... maybe minus the uxp stuff...

But that being said, I will try to wait as long as I can for now, given my support of them.

Not trying to offend... devuan is nice and all, but wayland is not something I want or need... dbus, I hate you... and redhat's other projects, whether they are made by poettering or someone more nefarious or as bad, etc...

It doesn't matter who it is, init freedom isn't going to be enough at this point.

Btw, Microsoft could go open source to the level I mentioned, but I don't know if they would, etc...

If they did what the other entity did, regarding blocking operating systems other then theirs to the same degree on all x86 hardware or others... I would be completely against said move.

Though they might at some point anyhow.  So its a mixed bag what I think is best.