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#51 Re: Off-topic » is anybody else interested in the # of free sw projects msft controls? » 2019-11-18 14:56:04

by the way, i did a check on 2,028 (practically all) of the apps on f-droid.org, and found 79% of them to have their source on github.

ive also found a 4 to 5% rate of false positives on the delete github wikipage so far. if we double that rate, thats still about 1,400 f-droid apps out of 2,028 that are on github. not great.

#52 Re: Off-topic » is anybody else interested in the # of free sw projects msft controls? » 2019-11-17 16:57:10

fsmithred wrote:

Dirk Gently might see everything in this discussion as interconnected and part of a bigger event.

s/Dirk Gently/roy\ schestowitz/ but thats why i like him. also a great series, i love stephen mangan.

there is so much political shifting around in the free software ecosystem, trying to keep track of the pieces really tells a story or two.

for example, this cancel-culture event comes on the heels of the cancellation of the founder of free software himself, based on a number of complete non-facts loosely (fallaciously) supported by less significant actual facts. is it november? yes. is stallman a pisces? yes. but many of the worst claims presented by forbes were indeed fabricated and not true.

on the series, everything is connected to everything else, but here many of the connections are very loose. many of the strongest connections are to some of the same companies trying to stop the rest of us from maintaining control of our software (thus our computers, thus indeed our personal lives) and one of the people attacking stallman recently was, sadly, one of the few people defending debian from a complete takeover by systemd. (on that matter i largely support what mr. jackson has had to say about systemd, though not the petition he signed to remove stallman from the gnu project.) at any rate there are too many meaningful connections to ignore all of them-- and they certainly arent going to be discussed in detail here.

#53 Re: Devuan » Debian considering going systemd init only » 2019-11-17 14:27:08

HevyDevy wrote:

There should be a 4th option.

4) drop systemd as init and revert back to SysVinit.

Wouldn't that throw a spanner in the works! wink

no, because so far this seems indistinguishable from the 2014 gr that got us into this mess.

every few years i suppose, theyre going to ask people to vote on whether to formally kick out every effort to make the systemd monopoly optional. imo whats necessary to stop this is greater advocacy against systemd-- which has actually been discouraged in favour of "lets just all work around it and hope for the best."

i love technical solutions, but here you have a yet another political effort to kick technical solutions out. we should have kept advocating against systemd, even as technical solutions were increasingly relied on. now people know (or at least, soon they will know) the cost of choosing one or the other, when the only real solution is "both."

#54 Re: Off-topic » is anybody else interested in the # of free sw projects msft controls? » 2019-11-17 03:26:27

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Moving to another provider is pretty simple

it can be, but im not sure it always is. the puppy linux guys dont seem like they can do it without losing a lot.

at least a few were interested, but they all seem resolved that theyre going to be with microsoft whether they like it or not. still, if theyre wrong thats great. i hope they figure it out.

#55 Off-topic » is anybody else interested in the # of free sw projects msft controls? » 2019-11-16 04:16:08

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systemd of course, is hosted on github-- making it an interesting throwback to the joint microsoft-ibm days; systemd is owned by ibm and hosted on microsoft web servers.

most people i know use projects that are actively developed on github-- for example, i use icewm and leafpad. both github, sadly. i used to have a github account, but i delete it.

the goal here is not to get people to boycott every project hosted on github. i know it hosts projects that almost all of us care about.

still, long term, it seems like letting microsoft dictate who can contribute (and on what terms things are accessed) seems like a losing proposition. ive taken up a task of tracking mainstream free software projects that are hosted there-- with a focus on those that continue to develop.

just to give you an idea of what im talking about: apache server, awesomewm, bodhi, brave, calamares, cinnamon, clojure, cpython, csound, darktable, dejavu fonts, delta3d, docker, elasticsearch, elive, emscripten, endlessos, etherpad, ethereum, exim, fbreader, featherpad, fish shell, flatpak, fontforge, freeciv, freenas, freecad, funtoo, geany, gentoo, gnu radio, gobolinux, godot, handbrake, haxe, hexchat, icewm, identi.ca, illumos, imagemagick, invidio.us, ipython, irssi, julia, jwm, kotlin, kubernetes, latex2html, leafpad, liberapay, lineageos, liteos, linux mint, lm-sensors, lxde, lxqt, lumina, mastodon, manjaro, metasploit, midori, musescore, mypaint, mysql, nextcloud, openpdf, openrc, openssl, opensuse, pale moon, peertube, pencil2d, pentoo, peppermint os, puppy linux, perl, php, pygame, pyglet, pylint, ranger, raspberry pi, reactos, redshift, ruby, retroshare, rust, scipy, scummvm, slitaz, spacefm, sshfs, swift, systemd, tensorflow, textmate, tmux, twitter, ubuntu, unetbootin, void linux, volumio, whonix, yacy

#56 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2019-11-15 00:14:58

fsmithred wrote:

It also helps to exclude Recommends.

are recommends still on by default? didnt debian change that after foisting systemd? (around 2014-2015?)

#57 Re: Forum Feedback » Much ado about nothing » 2019-11-12 13:30:27

ToxicExMachina wrote:

Technology is a part of human culture.

There are both right and wrong ways of technology usage.

Suitability for here and now doesn't mean right way.

agreed.

separated into three points to clarify agreement with each.

#58 Re: Forum Feedback » Much ado about nothing » 2019-11-11 09:25:55

ToxicExMachina wrote:

fork Linux or make brand new compatible kernel suitable for community driven development (GPLv3 is vital condition). Such technical solution will be very helpful for eliminating non-technical problems like parasite infestation.

long term i think such a fork is inevitable, but social problems often require cultural solutions. technical solutions can help, though a lot of people put much more stock in them than is reasonable-- for example, the way that facebook and twitter connect the world "like never before" helps things like the arab spring, but are showing their limitations (censorship) and costs (surveillance) as well. there has to be some cultural shift, people who show apathy wont be rescued by all the technological marvels in the world.

i agree with you on the nature of sjws.

#59 Re: News & Announcements » DeVuan review in Full Circle Magazine » 2019-11-04 13:01:37

bgstack15 wrote:

Of course the "plain" and "boxy" interface of Xfce reminds him of boring old Windows 95/98.

odd, i use a truly 98-like interface (icewm) and xfce is much closer to xp, apart from the other things it can do.

i used to promote gnome 2 (now mate) for people who were leaving windows recently, lxde for people who had slow machines or preferred something light on resources, and xfce as a nice compromise between them. when gnome went more like it is today and didnt care what anybody said about it, i started promoting xfce in its place.

i still like lighter-weight stuff but this is one area where options make a world of difference. i understand why reviews talk about the default experience, but i wish they went beyond that and didnt talk like the de/wm is welded to the rest of the system like some kind of apple product. was it easy enough to change desktops? ok then. (asking for the world here, i realise.)

with that said, the full-circle soup "could use more flavour, and the portions were too small!" it is exciting that theyre covering non-ubuntu distros and even more exciting that theyve chosen a free license for their magazine. kudos there.

#61 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Parrot OS and Devuan » 2019-10-24 01:57:19

couldnt find much... old: https://opensourceforu.com/2017/06/parr … an-devuan/

same year: https://news.softpedia.com/news/parrot- … 6466.shtml

also 2017: https://blog.parrotlinux.org/debian-and-devuan/

june 2019: "We hope to upgrade back to 5.1+ as soon as possible most likely this will occur as we switch to Devuan. More information to follow."

https://community.parrotlinux.org/t/par … sions/8198

#62 Re: Forum Feedback » Much ado about nothing » 2019-10-23 01:43:03

devuser wrote:

Kinda funny how such a mostly cosmetic change draws so much attention

most cosmetic changes dont have much potential for political abuse. devuan on the other hand, largely exists because anybody against a systemd monopoly was treated as a troll and censored.

i dont necessarily think this will be abused, but its potential for abuse makes it worth questioning. mostly though, on a forum that has a secret troll rating its a shame that i cant upvote cynwulfs posts in public. i do on lq and i think a positive reputation system is likely more useful than this one. thats long term-- short term, i doubt it matters. short term, all the stuff debian had in place for managing the community did no real harm at all.

#63 Other Issues » i asked this ages ago, but-- devuan packages » 2019-10-21 14:44:03

freemedia2018
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how does one get a new package into the devuan repos?

for example, if you have a package that isnt directly related to devuan would you submit it to debian or is there a way to get it into devuan directly?

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