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... The 'nonsense' did not come from me ...
If you don't give a source, don't say where you got it, it looks like it came from you ....
If not you, who? Don't you want to be part of the solution?
All right. I will register with this forum and I will correct it as best I can.
Sometimes they write nonsense ....
Yes, that seems to be the case. But in this way, nonsense is spread about Devuan. I don't have (and don't want) an account at linuxnews.de, otherwise I would write a statement.
... Nope ...
Yes, I realize that. But there seems to be a bit of confusion among the friends of linuxnews.de.
https://linuxnews.de/systemd-254-deklar … -veraltet/
"Systemd 254 is already available in Arch-Testing, Debian and, oddly enough, Devuan-Unstable, Gentoo and Fedora Rawhide, with more distributions to follow. On October 2, systemd 255 is to follow as the next version."
I read this here:
https://linuxnews.de/systemd-254-deklar … -veraltet/
Hello everyone, I'm currently testing a new installation of Daedalus and I've observed a strange behavior with Plasma Wayland that I'll briefly outline:
1. Booting, SDDM, Plasma Wayland: blank graphical user interface, only cursor icon and KRunner (Alt+F2) works.
2. Booting, SDDM, Plasma X11: known graphical user interface, everything works
3. Booting, SDDM, LXQt: known graphical user interface, everything works
4. Booting, SDDM, Xfce X11: known graphical user interface, everything works
5. Booting, SDDM, Plasma Wayland: empty graphical user interface, only cursor icon and KRunner works. Log out, start Plasma X11 or LXQt or Xfce, log out, start Plasma Wayland, known graphical user interface, everything works.
Has anyone else experienced this problem?
On another computer, on which Daedalus came not by a new installation, but by an upgrade from Cimaera, I could not observe the problem yet.
Best regards
New finding:
I have now clicked in the Plasma System Settings, in Display Setup (for me this is in German, I have translated it and don't know if it is also called so exactly in English), "Conventional applications - perform scaling myself". At least after booting three times and logging into Plasma Wayland, everything is fine.
Good morning everyone, I have proceeded according to instructions. However, problems have arisen that I have not seen through. The graphical interfaces did not work properly. Lxqt and plasma was not usable. I might have been able to fix it with a lot of time, but had doubts that I could do it cleanly. My skills probably don't extend that far. So I decided to do a fresh install. I have only taken over /home.
Best regards from my new Devuan Daedalus machine.
PS: Devuan Daedalus works well on my Thinkpad and I'm happy to have landed with Devuan Daedalus for my desktop now.
Bookworm to Daedalus should be similar to the migration of Bullseye to Chimaera. ...
Thank you very much, I will try that!
Hello each other,
Is there any way to switch from Debian Bookworm (stable) to Devuan Daedalus (soon stable)?
I have a Daedalus-sources.list from my Thinkpad, I could probably use that as a base. I would have to install the init system of course and eliminate systemd. Does anyone have a tip for me?
... I have added this to the daedalus repository and can confirm that they are now active. Have not checked the backports, yet.
I have this sources.list. I have not observed any problems so far.
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-backports main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ daedalus-backports main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan daedalus-proposed-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/devuan daedalus-proposed-updates main contrib non-free non-free-firmware
I would recommend this sources.list. Sources that are not wanted can be commented out
Yesterday I upgraded from Chimaera to Daedalus without any issues. Here are the steps I followed:
Edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to daedalus $ sudo apt-get update $ sudo apt-get upgrade $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade # at the end there are some errors having to do with old version of linux kernel $ sudo apt-get autoremove --purge # this removes the packages that caused errors $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade # now it completes without any errors $ sudo apt-get autoclean Reboot
Sometime about a year ago I read about Nala. I installed it and tried it out and stuck with it:
nala update && nala upgrade && nala clean && nala autopurge && nala autoremove
Now from Daedalus it can be used.
... running Daedalus for several months ...
Yes, that's the same here with me.
But when Daedalus is actually ready, the sources.list should be adjusted (at will: security, updates, backports ... ).
... "You may modify the style sheet in any way you wish, but not the HTML." ...
Yes, and a clean HTML code is very clear. Errors are quickly detected.
You can play creatively with the style sheet. But for some things, e.g. scientific texts, you don't even need a style sheet. For me, this is currently the most economical and practical way to store texts (including links).
jue-gen wrote:Unfortunately, nobody writes HTML in the editor these days.
I'm pretty sure that a few people in this very forum still do. And I'm one of those
Ahhh, that feels good ... 👍
jue-gen wrote:Do I see it right that you can only use KDE Plasma in Devuan if you want Wayland for security reasons?
I believe you can use GNOME on Devuan (which uses Wayland by default) but I don't think you want that. LOL.
If you want to use KDE with Wayland, I would recommend waiting for Daedulus or using Ceres because 5.26+ has far better support than 5.20. Its still buggy, but far less than the version in Chimaera.
Yes, that's right, I don't really want Gnome. Apart from that, it probably doesn't run that well on Devuan either.
I use KDE Plasma 5.26.90 with Wayland on Daedalus. Strangely, I get error messages when I start it with X11. When I start it with Wayland, they don't appear.
So far I am quite satisfied. There are minor problems I have with it: The memory requirement is high, but that is more a theoretical problem. What has annoyed me is the clipboard, which I use intensively. I prefer to work with Diodon, because in Diodon I only have to select and click an entry and it is already pasted. I haven't been able to do that with the Plasma clipboard. Then, for example, there are also problems with a black screen, which also occurs in connection with mounting external USB storage devices. I then have to go to a TTY and reboot.
Yes, Gnome is supposed to work very well with Wayland. But -I think- if you want Gnome, you can also use Debian with systemd. Therefore Mate was interesting for me. But that is not yet so far. It's like LXQt. There is also already intensively prepared for Wayland.
Well, I sometimes fluctuate a lot from one to the other. I might just stay with KDE Plasma with Wayland for now.
MATE is not usable as a Wayland session. ...
Yes, I discovered that this morning after installation as well. Do I see it right that you can only use KDE Plasma in Devuan if you want Wayland for security reasons?
Do you know about Project Gemini? Produces sane web pages . . .
Some time ago I heard about it. Yes, that is interesting ...
Oh, what I just found is quite interesting in this context after all (it's in German, but the charts are probably globally understandable):
https://gnulinux.ch/ressourcenverbrauch … umgebungen
Addendum: I missed an English source, it's here:
https://itvision.altervista.org/linux-d … usage.html
... But the main "intruder" is modern sites, with their "decorations", browsers are forced to support them, although, in most cases, they are completely unnecessary.
Yes, I see it the same way. Unfortunately, nobody writes HTML in the editor these days. For many pages that would be enough and it would be better for the eye and orientation than those horrible pages created with CMS tools like Wordpress. If the actual information of a page in the source code is only 0.5%, then something is wrong. This code bloat is sick and it costs masses of electrical energy. We have the same thing with HTML mails. I once read that 1 less nuclear power plant would be needed on earth if everyone composing HTML mails switched to TXT mails.
... Chimaera with 2G and 5G ... Daedalus with 2G and 5G
Yes, there is no difference or no significant difference.
For me it looks like this with Daedalus:
free -h
total used free shared buff/cache available
recovery mode 14 Gi 473 Mi 14 Gi 1.1 Mi 172 Mi 14 Gi
KDE Plasma Wayland 14 Gi 1,5 Gi 13 Gi 35 Mi 750 Mi 13 Gi
I find 473 Mi in recovery mode relatively high. That was the memory consumption including Xfce4 in the past. Less was used with LXQT and even less with LXDE.
Well, of course you also get something for this increased memory consumption. I don't want to grumble. But if you want an up-to-date system with Wayland for security reasons, it starts to get difficult with older systems.
... Therefore, I decided long ago to simply trust in my kernel memory management overlords. Or something like that. :-)
Yes, exactly. I have also reached that point. Why shouldn't the RAM be used? It is there and it should not be there uselessly. That's why I don't worry much anymore when KDE Plasma consumes a bit more, especially when there is so much RAM. The system is probably intelligent enough.
It's all not so simple. During my research I found that unused memory is actually wasted memory. Linux keeps data in main memory (RAM) as long as it is not needed for running or restarted programs. This data in RAM does not interfere, but it speeds up a lot when it is needed. The memory management regulates this. Therefore, the output of free is difficult to interpret. free says how much memory the system is using in advance, free does not say how much is actually needed at the moment. I just found this out in my research. Whether I have represented it all correctly, I don't know. Anyway, I mean that the result of free does not represent what the system actually needs right now.
amd64 devuan desktop-live isos (xfce) in qemu with 3G ram. ...
Each release uses more resources. Run ps_mem.py to see that each program uses more resources in each release. I've been watching this for over 20 years and it's consistent.
Yes, but now it would be interesting to know if 3G ram uses less memory than 8G ram or 16G ram or 32G ram.
... EXE - Devuan with TDE https://exegnulinux.net/ ...
Wow, lots of stuff to think about. EXE GNU/LINUX: I hear about it for the first time ...
... but i believe that KDE Plasma have the best and newest support for Wayland.
Yes, it could be. But Gnome causes less problems than KDE Plasma with Wayland and maybe the Mate people got the technology for Wayland from Gnome. Maybe I should just test it.
I'm also not sure if Wayland has been implemented in Mate as fully as in KDE Plasma yet.