Actually, I don't doubt that for you, but for other people on the forum, it might get tiresome...

To be honest, it gets old anyhow... from here on out, maybe I will update this post for new replies...

@MiyoLinux "No hate against Arch, and I haven't tried this experiment since then...but I have no desire to use a system that claims one thing but does another... tongue  I guess their KISS philosophy is to keep it simple and install junk that users don't need??? I don't know. big_smile"

That is sad lol and yeah, their youtuber base tries to act high and mighty about their suckless philosophy, while ignoring the big elephants in the room.

There is for example, nothing suckless about, dbus, systemd, avahi, pipewire, pulseaudio, networkmanager, the libraries for these protocols, java is another stupid one, node.js, openssl is another mess, etc...  point being, the difference between archlinux and debian is that debian never claims to be lightweight...

But archlinux has, thus they are liars.

Its sometimes hard for me to believe, what Hyperbola has done to debloat the EXPLETIVE out of that hulking mess to make an ultra lightweight distro.

Its like using the OpenPOWER processor arch and making Microwatt or Libre-Soc, only it is probably not nearly as hard to achieve on a  time basis.

Not sure on a difficulty basis tho. Besides which, both of those are still, incomplete, last I checked.

Meh... it is what it is.

Sad sounds about right, because they will get harrassed with lots of to put it mildly, mamba venom.

Or to put it in a way some would understand:

They are going to get the "Discord treatment"

When did you suggest a bug report for that?

If I had to guess, it probably got closed as invalid, or won't fix.

Not sure tho... but that is the usual way things go.

Hmm... then why does it say that on their webpage?

Weird...

EDIT:

"You've reached the website for Arch Linux, a lightweight and flexible Linux® distribution that tries to Keep It Simple."

Very strange...

Btw, Archlinux's current principles go against their keep it simple stupid lightweight principles, so none of what you said makes any sense at all.

It is not technical, it is ideology...

so yeah.

New HW, yeah... but quick question,

Why would we want *new hardware*

I refuse to use uefi, as much as possible, because I don't care who it is, especially the big three corporate goons whose names I tire of saying, but even like RIAA, another bullshit artist corporation, hollywood, a hugely awful corpse,  or any of them, etc...

Their real reason for data collection has nothing to do with anti-terrorism or any of that lying crap...

Look up ciphersaber.com, for the real reason.

Btw, I think in particular, they want to have assurance that even if their copyright infringement issues happen, they will still make money enough to cover that which they are, but they are so greedy, there is no limit to how far they will take this. This feeds their ego, to be able to amass ungodly amounts of wealth and if they lose it, it hurts their egos, so that's why they do this.

They need to know this, but:

They *DO NOT* Need *OUR INFORMATION!* *EVER!*

They just don't need to collect it. I wouldn't care if the government and corporations could be trusted, which its clear is a huge false usually anyhow.

The problem is, they aren't the only ones who can take advantage of UEFI.  There are huge, serious vulnerabilities that the original bios never had that UEFI has due to there being a remote connection usually before the OS even is loaded.

There are malware safe havens anyhow across the globe... so yeah... no.

Unless you have coreboot + intel me disabled or libreboot, or something on that level or better.

Point being, we actually don't need to get used to using uefi, its a trash setup that serves no good purpose on any level.

I feel like it would have been nice to have a *drop mic emoji for this message*

Meh... oh well!

@head_on_a_stick

I am aware of this,  OpenBSD does one part, other distros do another.

My point though being, is not that this *already happens* in any distros, it is more that *I used Arch* as an example to illustrate my point:
Meaning I want this to:
*happen!*

Again, Hyperbola is the closest to this ideal, though as an obvious, it will not be a chimaera similar to devuan much longer, even on the smallest level.

Btw, I am aware so many things have changed since then.

Maybe redhat would have not felt like screwing around from the beginning if it had been done this way.

Although, that remains to be a mystery to me.

Btw, which users is arch centric to?

If I had to guess, probably the ones who are highest on the totem pole. This sadly means, the ones who support system death.

https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:philosophy:systemd_denial#points_for_criticism_in_detail

These 3 show a lot of  the redhat mentality in clear details:

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/2447
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644

Makes me wonder if the people who accepted these ideals, are heavily drugged and/or completely okay with destroying perfectly good ideas, hardware and the climate itself, just to make quick money.

For example, I would be *MEGA STUNNED* if these issues and others similar, such as web 2.0, web 3.0, etc...

If these unneeded bloatware ideals, didn't cause ten thousand times more damage since web 2.0 came out, let alone web 1.0...

I would be *BEWILDERED*

Anywho,  although this went off the rails a bit earlier, I begin to wonder, if the people behind redhat, aren't just after profit, but actually delighting in destruction of the world for pleasure.

I hope that is a fantasy, because that would mean they have no level of darkness they won't go to to get what they want.

Still wondering if not using GPL licensing, solves any issues or makes them worse.

That being said,  will say this once more,

As an example archlinux has:
Core
Community
Extra
Multilib

The libraries, the programming languages, hell, any core part of the system, should be licensed permissively and be mostly bloat free.
As for the applications, themselves, that is up in the air as far as I am concerned.

I still don't know if getting rod of copyleft licensing would solve anything at this part, given the "corporate syndrome"

Or as I call it, the "redhat syndrome"

Tell you what, I will consider calling it systemD, under one condition...

If they change the meaning from Daemon, to Destructive

Only then, will I consider this...

I am sure I will be waiting till either:

A: The earth ends or more likely the human race is extinct and not the world, or the universe itself, similar...
B: Till I die/or am in a vegetable state, hopefully not...
C: the "redhat way" dies a horrible terrifying death, although something other joke will be made, if they develop something more twisted and venomously impossible to escape.
D: Someone trolls the hell out of them and makes an edit, hacks their service, in which case it won't stay that way very long and I will only stop temporarily.
E:  The Climate gets bad enough, that people are forced to debloat the web and the world and these rich expletives are dealt with severely, etc..
F: Some combination, or something unknown
G: Some combination of the above.
Not sure which of them will actually happen of the above, but pretty sure if it were to happen, I will be very old and it might not matter by then.
I would prefer to be a pessimist, but the world is tragically, prideful to the point where it gets its confidence from exploiting others, or the world, or just being stupidly evil in so many ways...
Why else do people who already have so much damn money, to the point of being billionaires, want more money?

At some point, they won't be able to spend it all, or gain that much more power that it means anything...

So yeah, that is all.

It does also block malware which as you probably know,  can  be used to cause damage in less direct ways.

Aka, not a threat to the hardware and likely not the system software if its linux... usually anyhow, but in other, let's say, sneakier more obnoxious ways.

Btw,  even if you think there is nothing sensitive on that machine, the nothing to hide argument dies the moment someone tries to plant and/or use fake evidence against you if people in higher places dislike you, want to get rid of you, etc...

This all  being said,  if you use emulators, be careful.

The trolling, however, I am fully on board with it.

I legit actually, after seeing chain letters on youtube enough decided to make some parody chain letters and someone gave me my favorite accolade:

The person said that they had seen some really stupid chain letters but mine topped the list...

This was before Google acquired youtube thanks to the expletive FBI/DCMA copyright expletives.

Point being, I miss the days of chain letters being common on youtube and when I could troll the shit out of them, by making weird expletive ones.

Trust me, I got very unhinged in my nonsense back then LOL!

I don't know you well, but out of curiosity which Unix, do you plan to use?

By Unix, I mean BSD btw.

I recommend OpenBSD, if you have very basic needs.

That system puts everything including other BSDs and probably most operating systems to shame in general, due to lack of bloat and reasonable security that linux wouldn't go near ever.

Anywho, no hard feelings from me, but in all seriousness, most operating systems communities/fans have more toxicity then they should.

Point being, pick whatever OS suits you best, all I will say is, it would be wise to pick that one if you need the minimum in functionality, aka word processor, low tech games and web browser stuff.

Sorry though, I hope you know, your not the only one I do this too. I do this to anyone I consider requiring to loosen up.

Either way, peace then and have a good one!

Btw, just so you know, I am not trolling you right now.

When I troll, I prefer sarcasm or nonsense anyhow.

Btw, you really should chill, believe it or not, this is a friendlier crowd. If you want unfriendly or immature crowds, go to ArchLinux, or Debian fourms, try this stuff there, see how bad their response is.

Trust me, it won't be long till you get a new interesting title next to your username and it is similar to:

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But it has one letter different.

xD