Maybe universe?

LOLOL! Actions speak louder than words, which seem to be your forte . . . 

@athenian200 . . . If a team of devs wanted to take on maintaining X11 that would make a lot of people at Devuan and elsewhere very happy. But this endless jawing about X11 (and usrmerge) is just hot air and solves nothing while eating up resources on dng, this forum and elsewhere. Nothing lasts forever and human stupidity and technology just accelerate that process. This should come as no surprise to anyone with working brain cells. All the squeaky protesting against the wind solves absolutely nothing.

We are all just digital cattle being herded into the digital abattoir . . .

I hear you . . . Thankfully, I am under a metal roof and most folks who visit cannot get a signal inside my house! My very own Faraday cage!! Just dumb luck, not planned . . .

Dowse allows you to turn stuff off! Give it a try!!

Welcome to the forum athenian200!

This forum's search function pulls up many mentions of wayland.

Here is the thread dedicated to that discussion.

@Mike . . . I suggested  for you to post "A" test email. "A" meaning ONE. Now you have posted TWO with different addresses and there is no way to know which one you want to have activated sooooo . . . I am going to delete them both! When you want to post a comment or new issue to dng do so with the email of your choice and I will take care of it when I see it. I check once a day.

Hi Mike . . . just R click on an empty space in the top bar to toggle the list that offers the Menu Bar.

@quickfur . . . It might have felt that way to you but that was not the important takeaway because I really don't care what browser you use or what choices you make in your life. But it is to your benefit to understand why and how you make those decisions. If humans chose more wisely, we wouldn't be in the mess in which we currently find ourselves.   

You keep looking outward . . . when the root of the problem is an inner dynamic . . .

For me it's a matter of ethics . . .

The question is: Does the end justify the means!

Impulses and rationalizations can quickly become a slippery slope so I evaluate choices very carefully to protect my own integrity and ensure I am not just blindly satisfying this or that impulse . . .

I do not want to touch Google because it is not my friend and I will not participate in supporting it.

I am probably going to split your posts off into a search engine discussion thread because you are still OT for this thread.

DONE!

@Aliz24 . . . Did you know that one of our derivatives is EXE GNU/LINUX (Devuan GNU/Linux with Trinity Desktop)?!