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#26 Re: Off-topic » GTK2 Removed from Arch's Repositories » 2025-11-13 15:06:12

What is this mania of late of removing older stuff just for the sake of it?
I mean I can understand removing it when it no longer builds and would need major adaptation to build with current tool chains but until then there is no reason to remove things.
I have the impression that in the last few years more and more people have become unable to cope with variety and have OCD to reduce choice as much as possible (I'm not just referring to the Linux world where Gnome and GTK4 are prime examples, I noticed this in many aspects of life).

I don't know if that's due to the widespread smartphone addiction (or the ever increasing EM fields we are exposed to due to all wireless stuff) that has somehow affected peoples brains or due to something else.

#27 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Where are my logs? » 2025-11-12 16:27:49

Actually only one of my two Excalibur installations is missing rsyslog, the one that I installed 3-4 months ago from a Devuan testing ISO (and that I checked earlier when I wrote my previous post), the one I installed recently from the Devuan release ISO (netinstall) has rsyslog installed and running (I just checked a minute ago) so I don't see an issue with the release ISOs.

#28 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Where are my logs? » 2025-11-12 11:52:02

Good point, I don't even see syslogd running (it does not appear to even get installed by default).

Can someone with knowledge please clarify?

#29 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Why does Trixie/Excalibur have two Nvidia driver versions (535 / 550)? » 2025-11-11 22:50:20

zapper wrote:

I tend to think, myself, why bother having an additional graphics card.

Well in my case the Nvidia card isn't additional, it's the only graphics card in the PC, as the CPU doesn't have an IGP.

#30 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] With Excalibur the intel GPU is using LLVMPIPE instead of UHD » 2025-11-11 22:09:36

stultumanto wrote:

Is this on Linux, and if so, what driver are you using?

Yes, Linux (Mageia is the distro I use on that) with the Nvidia proprietary drivers. Mageia is the only distro I know of that includes the Nvidia proprietary drivers directly on the Live CD image making the installation of the proprietary drivers extremely easy. The Nvidia card I use in the HTPC is a GT 1030.

My experience with the noveau drivers has always been bad, I wouldn't use them for anything.

stultumanto wrote:

have a GTX 765M and I'm trying to resist the urge to install the ancient proprietary NVIDIA driver for this card. The last time I tried, it seemed to cause more problems that it solved. In fact, I'm not even sure it's possible on this version of the kernel.

I'm afraid you might be right with that, the GTX 765M does not seem to be supported by the 535 or 550 driver series that Devuan provides, the newest driver that supports the GTX 765M seems to be 418.113 according to nvidia.com and this driver only officially supports up to kernel 5.4.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/drivers/details/153781/

There are some unofficial patches that might make it work with newer kernels but for the 418.113 it's only up to kernel version 5.11:
https://github.com/MeowIce/nvidia-legacy

What I would try in your situation is to install a 5.4 kernel (for example by taking the deb kernel packages from Linux Mint 20.3 which should be fairly straightforward as Mint is based on Ubuntu and therefore Debian) and then install the 418.113 Nvidia driver.

#31 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] With Excalibur the intel GPU is using LLVMPIPE instead of UHD » 2025-11-11 14:01:38

RedGreen925 wrote:

That tells you nothing but a bloated website is running like shit which can be due to many reasons.

I think he was talking about video playback, not the website.
100% cpu during video playback is a clear sign of software cpu-based video decoding. I have a HTPC using an ancient Atom 330 cpu from more than 15 years ago and that one can play back all current videos thanks to the Nvidia card that does all the decoding in hardware, if it was using the cpu it would run at 100% and still stutter.

#32 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Why does Trixie/Excalibur have two Nvidia driver versions (535 / 550)? » 2025-11-11 00:06:50

NakedRider wrote:

Debian Trixie ships with the 550 drivers.

Well it ships with both the 535 and the 550 drivers to choose from, hence this thread.

There have been many problems with nvidia after Trixie was released. Check out their forum.

Could you please post some links to the main threads you are referring to? I had a quick look but couldn't find anything apart from a few short threads about some edge cases (problems with wayland, old unsupported cards, ...).

As I wrote in the previous message I chose to install the 535 drivers on Devuan Excalibur and they are working fine, no issues so far, NVdec, VDPAU and opengl all work as expected with the applications I tested. Still have to test NVenc with handbrake. The only thing I couldn't get working yet is VAAPI, but that seems to be an issue of the nvidia-vaapi-driver package which isn't part of the official nvidia drivers.

Maybe the debian 13 problems with nvidia are a consequence of systemd? tongue

#33 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Why does Trixie/Excalibur have two Nvidia driver versions (535 / 550)? » 2025-11-10 18:47:47

@stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn thanks for the links, they seem to clarify it up to a point.

I also found the following end-of-life table that seems to actually indicate that the 550 drivers where short-lived and are already no longer supported by Nvidia (support ended more than 6 months ago).
https://endoflife.date/nvidia

I wonder how the Debian maintainers will deal with that, will the 550 drivers be replaced by a newer release or simply abandoned?

For now I have chosen the 535 drivers, as they appear to be still supported by Nvidia until June 2026.

#34 Hardware & System Configuration » Why does Trixie/Excalibur have two Nvidia driver versions (535 / 550)? » 2025-11-09 21:39:21

tux_99
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I don't understand why Debian Trixie and therefore also Devuan Excalibur ships with two Nvidia proprietary driver releases.

As far as I can tell the 535 version supports the same cards that the 550 version supports, 535 is not a legacy release for older cards (which would have been a good reason to include it), so I don't see any reason why anyone would use the older 535 version instead of the newer 550 version, but surely there must be a reason why Debian included both?

Does anyone know why 535 might be preferable to 550?

#35 Re: DIY » easydeb deb packager » 2025-11-09 20:26:17

easydeb sounds interesting, will definitely look into it.

I will need to build a couple of packages of apps for Devuan 6 soon as the included versions are too old for my needs, I guess that could be an occasion to try out easydeb.

exponentialmatrix wrote:

I think debian is slowly dieing and we need a realistic long term strategy to fork it. I think the rust/Wayland/systemd bullshit will cause a bsds type of split in the linux world. debian has become a product.

I think Debian suffers from the fact that many devs are actually employed by Ubuntu and even IBM (Redhat) therefore they are pushing the agendas of these two corporations onto Debian.
A true community distro should not have devs that also work for commercial distros.

I very much agree with your sentiment that a split between  the corporate Distros and the true community distros will be inevitable and actually desirable and will eventually happen.

#36 Re: News & Announcements » Announcing Devuan 6.0 Excalibur! » 2025-11-02 13:07:08

Thank you very much for all your efforts, I was waiting eagerly for this release and will be installing and exploring it in the next few days as soon as I find some time for it.

#37 Re: Off-topic » Hard Rust requirements for APT from may next year » 2025-11-02 12:54:56

Julian Andres Klode wrote:

rely on modern tools and technologies

Because "modernity" is all that matters to some folks these days... regardless whether "modern" is actually better or worse.

#38 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » noCSD for GTK4 » 2025-11-01 16:53:02

@greenjeans Thanks for reminding me, as soon as I find some time for it I will try that GTK4-NoCSD that you linked previously.

#39 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » noCSD for GTK4 » 2025-11-01 13:33:47

@EDX-0 Thanks for the explanation.

if you got a configurable window manager that is a non issue as ya can simply set the window manager to ignore the title hint for gtk4 apps.

But then you would get SSDs even on windows that aren't supposed to have any, like for example dialog windows, or not?

Also do you mean that the WM needs to be configured this way for each gtk4 app individually or is there a way to do it for all gtk4 apps in one go?

Doing this at WM level doesn't seem ideal to me as it needs to be done for every WM differently, if there was a way to force the gtk4 libs themselves to omit these flags that suppress SSD (I mean at runtime, not by modifying the source code), then that would IMHO be the better solution.

I'm primarily interested in a solution for XFCE but if it could be done in a way that works for all WMs that would be even better.

#40 Re: Off-topic » The “Ensh*ttification” of the Internet » 2025-10-31 17:32:41

If I had a need for a smartphone (fortunately I don't) I would get a Jolla C2 with SailFishOS (Linux based) as it runs Android Apps too, despite not being Android based.

#41 Re: Off-topic » amdV3 - amdV4 etc? » 2025-10-30 20:03:56

Those levels were invented a few years ago by "bigtech" to obsolete older hardware and force people to upgrade to newer PCs now that the switch from 32 bit to 64 bit is no longer enough to obsolete additional older hardware. It's sort of the next step after stopping support for 32 bit cpus.

IBM (Redhat) and Suse have already gone down this road, their recent releases don't work on older 64 bit cpus any more.

I see it as a good reason to become more independent from the corporate Linux world (primarily IBM/Redhat, but also Suse and Ubuntu) and focus on pure community run distros that don't have agendas and profit motives.

That said the way Ubuntu is currently approaching this for now is sensible, as they are building packages for the different levels, so for now they aren't obsoleting older 64 bit cpus, but the cinic in me makes me think that this is just a "boiling the frog slowly" approach to avoid a shitstorm, i.e. in a few years they will likely be discontinuing support for older variants. 

BTW, wikipedia lists who is behind this:

In 2020, through a collaboration between AMD, Intel, Red Hat, and SUSE, three microarchitecture levels (or feature levels) on top of the x86-64 baseline were defined: x86-64-v2, x86-64-v3, and x86-64-v4. These levels define specific features that can be targeted by programmers to provide compile-time optimizations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64

#42 Re: Off-topic » Critical security flaw in sudo » 2025-10-22 10:25:28

I don't see any point in sudo on a private destop/laptop PC, therefore I usually uninstall it (I hate it when distros make other essential packages unnecessarily depend on sudo, I'm talking to you Manjaro...) or if it can't be uninstalled due to dependencies then i remove the suid permission from the sudo binary:

# ls -la /usr/bin/sudo
-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 257136 Jun 30 18:25 /usr/bin/sudo*
[manjaro-vm testuser1]# chmod -s /usr/bin/sudo
[manjaro-vm testuser1]# ls -la /usr/bin/sudo
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 257136 Jun 30 18:25 /usr/bin/sudo*

After removing the suid permission it is a good idea to block sudo from being updated to avoid that the next update changes the permission back again.

Without the suid permission sudo becomes harmless and useless as it can't elevate it's privileges to root anymore.

#43 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Calculator freezes » 2025-07-25 11:26:24

@Eeqmcsq thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't tried mate-calc yet as I hadn't come across it, it seems nice lightweight and it does indeed the percentage calculation as I'm used to, the only thing I'm not so happy about is the layout of the calculator buttons in it's window, the buttons seem quite small and very close together making it easy to accidentally press the wrong ones with the mouse cursor (this is at least under XFCE with the theme I'm using, maybe it differs with other themes).
I have to look into it further to see if the size and spacing of the buttons can be changed.

#44 Re: Other Issues » I seem to crash when I go to a certain website... » 2025-07-25 00:51:04

@golinux what kind of reply do you expect when someone calls an offer to help "childish noise"?
That comment from ralph.ronnquist came across as very arrogant, so the tone of my reply should not seem surprising.

I don't want to force myself on anyone, if my help is not wanted that's perfectly fine for me, but that can be said politely rather than arrogantly dismissing it as "childish noise", don't you think so?

#45 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Calculator freezes » 2025-07-24 23:54:45

I still haven't found a calculator that works like good old Kcalc from KDE 3.5 (yes I know there is TDE which probably has preserved it):

in Kcalc if I want to calculate the result of deducting 20% of a certain amount (for example 50) I type:

50

-

20

%

and I get 40, while in Galculator such a basic and frequently used calculation doesn't work which is a shame because galculator otherwise seems quite decent and lightweight without loads of dependencies on gnome or kde stuff.

#46 Re: Other Issues » I seem to crash when I go to a certain website... » 2025-07-24 23:27:20

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

Yea we tried blocking IP addresses, but we stopped at some 50000 addresses blocked

Well of course it didn't work for you  if you only blocked 50k addresses... a single /16 is already 65536 addresses, so 50k is chicken feed...

Anyone with a viable solution may contribute. All else is just childish noise.

No problem, I'll  keep my "childish noise" that works great for my websites to myself...

greenjeans wrote:

but when it comes to DDOS that seems like an attack or are we overstating the issue using that term?

Yeah it's not an intentional DDOS attack, but the practical effect of all these rouge bots scraping all they can get can be like a DDOS.

#47 Re: Other Issues » I seem to crash when I go to a certain website... » 2025-07-24 20:14:17

I was about to write that I agree with steve_v that anubis makes git.devuan.org a torture to use as in the past weeks every time I tried to access it I had anubis running literally for 5 minutes or so before it granted me access, but I just tried again and I got past anubis in less than 1 second, not sure if it was just a fluke or if something has changed so that it will always be that quick.

So at the moment I reserve judgment.

That said, with regards to the DDOS by dodgy AI scrapers, I have that problem too on my websites and I solved it with IP address block lists implemented with ipset using the kernel firewall of linux. I don't block single IPs I block whole /24, /16 or even /12 network ranges of many hosting/cloud providers, as I found that these attacks predominantly come from very specific cheap/dodgy hosting/cloud providers, almost never from end customer (DSL/fiber/mobile) IP addresses.

If the admins of git.devuan.org are interested in my blocklist I can provide it, but only privately as sharing it publicly could induce the AI scrapers to adapt their strategies.

#48 Re: DIY » ALSA-only purists: Question, new GUI app for the mixer and EQ? » 2025-07-12 11:09:53

@greenjeans while I currently don't have a system without pulseaudio (unfortunately it's installed by default in practically every distro and AFAIK firefox requires it for sound) I tried compiling your source code in a manjaro VM (to test it in a different distro than the one you presumably developed it on). It built and run without any problems:

[testuser1@manajro-vm tmp]$ gcc -o mxeq mxeq.c $(pkg-config --cflags --libs gtk+-3.0 alsa glib-2.0) -Wall
[testuser1@manajro-vm tmp]$ ls -la
total 72
drwxr-xr-x  2 testuser1 testuser1  4096 Jul  9 19:05 ./
drwx------ 33 testuser1 testuser1  4096 Jul  9 19:04 ../
-rwx------  1 testuser1 testuser1 42808 Jul  9 19:05 mxeq*
-rw-------  1 testuser1 testuser1 20199 Jul  9 19:04 mxeq.c
[testuser1@manajro-vm tmp]$

I ran it too, but as you said with PA active all I got was a single volume slider as expected.

Nice job, it might come handy for me if I decide to run Devuan without Pulseaudio (need to investigate first how to keep firefox audio working without PA).

#49 Re: Off-topic » The need for cooperation as central motivation in Unix and GNUproject » 2025-07-09 17:12:06

Well doesn't the iOS browser identify as Safari too? (I have no idea, I don't use Apple stuff)
It makes sense that Chrome and Safari were steadily growing in the last 10-15 years since in the last 10-15 years smartphones (therefore iOS and Android) have had phenomenal growth while PCs not so much.

#50 Re: DIY » drpm - a simple tool to handle deb packages for people used to rpm » 2025-07-08 16:21:02

Thanks greenjeans, when I find some time for it I will try to make a deb package for this tool, not because it really needs it (it's just a simple script with one dependency) but rather as an opportunity to learn how to make deb packages.

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