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Everyone is entitled to their meltdowns and confusion as long as they take responsibility instead of imagining that it's someone else's fault.
golinux, you can just go ahead and "ban" me if you want and it's no big deal at all.
Why on earth would I do that? I hope that your continuing Linux adventures are more successful than it seems your encounter with Devuan was. I guess we'll never know what your issues/problems were that might make you decide to remove it and reclaim your HDD . . .
Basically what the title says. Why is there a website that appears to have an entire copy of the Devuan website. Like, the website is about GMOs or something. It's unrelated to Linux... I think?
http://www.saynotogmos.org/devuan-final/index.html
Am I missing something?
Yes. I am part of the team that designs/maintains the Devuan website. The backend is a bit of a hairball so last year I converted it to plain html as an experiment and option to simplify things. I posted it on that old website of mine. In the end, we stayed with the hairball. Just last night I posted a proposal for some subtle color changes for the official ascii release. Note that only that page has the changes. Structural changes are coming soon too.
golinux wrote:Good to hear. Holding on to resentment and anger is so not a good thing.
Hehe... you're right, but there was never any resentment and anger in the first place (as you well know).
Indeed. Maybe not about the banning but nomko or the admins? Not at all? (rehtorical questions) In any case, it was an opportunity to share a life lesson with anyone who ventures into this thread.
GoLinux suggest i do this post.
Indeed I did. This discussion topic is better separated from the other issues in that thread. inukaze . . . in the future please keep to only one topic per thread.
I'm just pointing out that if transparency and accountability is desired, then it's best not to cloud things. Otherwise you may as well hit the ban button and not bother yourself with explaining why or keeping an "evidence bag".
Keeping "evidence" is the only way to defend a position. It was just a PITA to have to take 2 screenies, rejoin them yada, yada. I am guilty of being lazy.
golinux wrote:You should see what went on over at DUF in its early days. Complete anarchy. DUF rose from the exodus of many veteran Debian users years ago after cynwulf himself was banned/suspended. Still a bit of a sore spot, I think.
As number 9 of the top 10 posters, you should know.
Indeed. What great fun we had. But that too passed (as all things do). Now DUF is on life support.
That last statement of yours is untrue.
Good to hear. Holding on to resentment and anger is so not a good thing. ![]()
I've made my views on this clear by now, so at this stage I'll call it a day.
OK. I do hope that you'll stick around the forum though . . .
I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but I think he might have been suspended once in the past.
He was moderated on the DNG list last year but not the forum.
You should see what went on over at DUF in its early days. Complete anarchy. DUF rose from the exodus of many veteran Debian users years ago after cynwulf himself was banned/suspended. Still a bit of a sore spot, I think.
The membership are provided with a link to a text file, not the original thread in original form and the author cannot respond in thread, in semi-realtime. It doesn't really help matters.
Is this better? It is rather insulting that you would question the veracity of a copy/paste. I am truthful to a fault and have spent most of my life striving to eliminate 'filters' that warp perceptions.
For the casual observer, it might be useful to have fungus' complaint summarised by an uninterested (third) party... (aka "what the feck is actually going on here?").
Nah. That would just muddy the waters and be more divisive and distracting. Besides most of that rant makes no sense and is a heavily filtered/distorted account of events. Just let it die in peace. Continue over at DUF if you wish. I will not engage on that childish level.
You're being slightly 'diplomatic' there to say the least.
A ban can be permanent or for days/weeks/months/years - it's purely a matter of nomenclature... a ban is a ban regardless of the term imposed, be it a day or a lifetime. You can call it a "suspension" if you like. In the same way that a permanent ban could be termed an "indefinite suspension".
And now you are being slightly "cyn"ical. But ever since I've known you, there's no middle ground. ![]()
I'm somewhat surprised that you've banned fungus. I have to make it clear here that I strongly object to a ban based on what has been posted by this user.
This is a untruth. He has not been banned. He has been suspended for a little time out to reflect on improving his communication skills and how to better play with others.
Anyone who would like to see why, please go here. That post has not been deleted. It has been moved to the admin area.
I am going to split the off-topic posts in this thread to a more appropriate place.
Yes, fungus is on a little hiatus from this list. There are several ways he could communicate if he chose to. If he would send an email to DNG discussing the issue he's having with pkgmaster, I would release it from moderation to the list for discussion (if the content sticks to technical issues) even though he no longer has an account there. Or as suggested above he could re-register. The 'obstacles' are imaginary.
Your mail to 'Dng' with the subject Fw: Reply to topic: 'pkgmaster is repository hell' Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. If you would like to cancel this posting, please visit the following URL: https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/m … 91fc67c78c
"The reason it is being held: Post by non-member to a members-only list". You no longer have an account there. So re-register. Is that really so hard?
FYI . . . the message posted to DNG that is in moderation is nothing substantial. Just a duplication of the automated message posted above not anything about the pkgmaster issue or it would have been released to the list.
Software choice can (and has been) debated ad nauseum. There is no one solution that will please everyone. Devuan installs default desktop configurations and leaves it to users to customize to meet their needs. Feel free to open a thread here to discuss if you like but don't expect changes in software choices unless there is a technical reason to do so. Another option would be for you to roll your own derivative.
golinux wrote:I'll answer a few of these.
2. after install, the system don't have installed "Network Manager applet" in "Xfce".
golinux wrote:You can install it from either the Devuan specific repo or experimental. Can't remember exactly where it's currently at.
i say on the netbook i dont have way to connect to internet [i can't install or download anything with default installation of devuan]. and because of that i must use virtualbox on my main pc, to download the packages, copy the packages to usb, and install in the netbook with dpkg
5. if is possible for the next iso, please add by default plymouth for boot process
golinux wrote:We will never have Plymouth because it relies on systemd and therefore is on the banned package list.
i don't believe the programmers/developers can't adapt or rewrite it,
for example an older version without systemd, between years 2008 ~ 2016, for make an adapted version to OpenRC or well use the old alternatives like usplash or splashy, just adapted for openrc
Sure that could probably be done if someone wanted to take it on. But this camp is not much into eye candy. In fact this is the is the first request for Plymouth since we started this in 2014.
I'll answer a few of these.
2. after install, the system don't have installed "Network Manager applet" in "Xfce".
You can install it from either the Devuan specific repo or experimental. Can't remember exactly where it's currently at.
5. if is possible for the next iso, please add by default plymouth for boot process
We will never have Plymouth because it relies on systemd and therefore is on the banned package list.
6. in the official repositories, you don't have yet "VirtualBox"
Of course we do. But if you want USB support you'll have to get it from Oracle. Just add their repos to sources.list.
trinity desktop environtment ?
You'll have to get it from their site.
Forum members who have not done so might want to take a look at D1G's (almost) No Code of Conduct. We are quite tolerant and patient here but there is a time for the hammer to drop . So please come in peace and leave your personal baggage and grudges at the door. Those who don't will be enjoying a little break from forum participation.
@fungus . . . you live in your own world and think it is reality. It is YOUR reality but don't assume it is the one commonly shared by others. You proclaim judgmental conclusions and are convinced they are fact and ramble on about constructs that only exist in your head. It is not my job (or anyone else's here to "report" what your issues are. How can one possibly do that without having personally experienced the problem. Only YOU can do that. So man up and just report what you are dealing with through more appropriate channels where it will get attention. Your rather self-defeating approach reminded me of this:
Someone was searching for something on the ground. “What have you lost?” a passerby asked. “My key,” said the searcher. So they both went down on their knees and looked for it. After a time the other man asked: “Where exactly did you drop it?” “In my own house.” “Then why are you looking here?” “There is more light here than inside my own house.”
PS. Are you or are you not Fungal-net on DNG.
I have it running on jessie and wish that I could find it for ascii. Anyway . . . i can look at some of the data as user but if i try to make a change it ALWAYS asks for my root PW. If you are able to make changes without being root, something is not right.
FTR, I tried to install the jessie version on ascii and it failed . . . ![]()
golinux wrote:Oh dear...
Some people should at least stick to software ideologies.
As you know, I'm not a Devuan user (or a Debian or Linux user) and you've known my opinions on this project from day one (so once again, thank you for tolerating my continued presence)
You are always welcome in this house. Your experience and ability to see the big picture as in this post adds real value to our collective effort.
. . . but any project founded on "anti" sentiment is pretty much doomed from the start.
We try to frame it otherwise but have no control over others' views and opinions.
This forum seems to be keeping it technical, it's getting it right thus far
Thanks. We're trying our best.
. . .it surprises me that such crap is being posted on the mailing lists...
Since that meltdown there has been almost none of that. The moon must have been in a weird phase or something. These days there is an occasional snipe but most discussion is technical and cordial.
The devs working on pkgmaster don't frequent this forum so you are the sound of one hand clapping. If you don't post the info elsewhere - DNG, bugs.devuan.org or irc channels - those who should be seeing it never will. That's what you'll need to do if you actually want to contribute instead of just complaining . . .
fungus wrote:I want nothing to do with DNG premadonas and their tolerance to neonazis and intolerance to those who tried to block neonazi propaganda and got the boot from the list!!!! REMEMBER! We do not forget we don't forgive, easily!
Links or it didn't happen.
I want nothing to do with DNG premadonas and their tolerance to neonazis and intolerance to those who tried to block neonazi propaganda and got the boot from the list!!!! REMEMBER! We do not forget we don't forgive, easily!
Then you will have a miserable life, my friend. Aren't you now Fungal-net on DNG?
I am sure your consciousness will not keep this a secret from them, as it has been YOU and Katolaz who have come here and ensured us that pkgmaster is fully bug-free and the onion address had for a while being identical to http-pkgmaster.
IT ISN't
http pkpmaster was showing 0 upgrades, 0 to be removed, 0 to be installed.
Only change was https and onion address part in source.list .... then it all went to hell like I had changed distributions.
This has been identified and reported here on the forum several times already and YOUR response was something done wrong by me.
Then file a bug report with the needed information.
Go ask for me to be unblocked on the list and I will happily copy paste this in their face!
And the neonazi polak propagandist better not be there!
I don't even see you on the DNG member list anymore.
Maybe go take a nap and get out of the other side of the bed when you wake up.
That's because you're posting in the wrong place. Try posting to DNG.