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#1 Re: News & Announcements » Non GNU Linux Chimera » 2023-04-02 23:16:47

golinux wrote:

@zapper . . . PLEASE get a handle on the chaos of your mind and your unrestrained sharing of those thoughts here. Thank you.

I think that Shakyamuni would disapprove of this questioning of someone's mental status, when the real issue is the firefight over racial and political issues between charlie and hoas. It was your prior evasive response that led to zapper's further questioning, so if he does have any mental chaos on this topic it is probably due to this evasiveness. Maybe deleting hoas's response (whoever did that, I'm not sure myself) was not the greatest idea?

#2 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-03-29 20:48:16

zapper wrote:

Here is a wallpaper for you @headonastick

HOAS is gone, Zap. He left to find a new group of Linux users to bedazzle with his sed and awk demonic incantations, I would imagine.

Don't stare at your wallpaper too long, that one could give a person seizures from the looks of it.

#3 Re: Off-topic » How to exclude words in DDG etc. searches » 2023-03-27 21:48:41

Startpage will give you the -excludes results. Might not be the google search proxy you are looking for, but I figured I would mention it in case you had not checked.

#4 Re: Off-topic » Got another troll prank! » 2023-03-07 02:38:14

That's actually pretty good zap. I wonder if google will agree to launch their data centers and explode them? I guess that would be one way to close the bug report.

golinux wrote:

Haven't you noticed that the forum has been wonderfully "normal" lately? HoaS hasn't logged in since 2023-02-14 . . .

I'm surprised HOAS hasn't re-spun his own distro yet. It's been languishing for the past year, and he talked like he had some ideas for it. Maybe he's busy doing that now, who knows. I always liked him, he would help me do crazy things like rip the init system out of an installation and replace it with something experimental. That's probably old hat for folks around here, but for me that's over my head. Anyway, he's an internet wanderer, leaving an imprint on most Linux-y forums at some point. Kind of like zapper in that way.

#5 Re: Devuan Derivatives » big memory stick 2 TB and refracta (or an other Devuan real or derivat » 2023-03-04 03:26:30

oui wrote:

all my laptops are old but my main laptop only has USB. as it is an old i7 8 GB 3/4 TB from Dell, I suppose it is not an usb 3.1 port. my next usefull laptop is an old acer emachine AMD64 2 GB 240 GB, but I own also 3 old laptops only with Pentium and max. 2 GB RAM (certain) and small HD.

If you are trying to install to a USB drive on usb 2.0 or less, I'm afraid you are probably going to have a system that's too slow to be much use. Some of those machines might have USB 3.0 - that might be fast enough. USB 3.1 is definitely preferred. I could not get mine to boot with the USB C port - you might have better luck if you have a USB C port available.

#6 Re: Devuan Derivatives » big memory stick 2 TB and refracta (or an other Devuan real or derivat » 2023-03-03 23:02:46

I think this is talking about an Nvme in an external usb enclosure, which is how I ran Devuan on my main laptop for about a year recently. I installed it normally like @fsmithred said, and I just used the normal grub bootloader. I did not need to use unetbootin to do the installation. It was a nice, fast system - you couldn't tell that it was running off an external USB enclosure, except for the dongle hanging out the side of the laptop. Make sure you are connecting to a fast usb 3.1 port.

#7 Re: Installation » GRUB Grief » 2023-02-25 14:34:48

You should also be able to run a 'grub install' command from within Devuan to overwrite the grub on the HDD. Here's a couple of stackexchange threads that will give you ideas for the correct command and mount procedure - … ive#191220 … an-install

#8 Re: Installation » GRUB Grief » 2023-02-25 00:44:17

Ubuntu owns the boot management for your system and by default won't allow any other OS's to boot. Here's a quick and simple step-by-step procedure to get Ubuntu to add your Devuan (and any other GNU/Linux partitions) to grub: … istros-fix

Before finishing those steps, I would make sure that the os-prober package is installed on your Ubuntu: 'apt policy os-prober'

#9 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Help requested with WINE setup and/or Chromium Cache Searching » 2023-02-25 00:12:45

alexkemp wrote:

The Chromium cache is an encrypted binary mess of connected directories (specialised JSON for the ones I've looked at), with not a single html nor css file within them. Can you suggest a browser that *can* view them?

There's some instructions on using sqlite to view chrome history from 8 years ago on this thread: … e-terminal

Don't know if that's the way the data is still stored, but might be worth a look to see if the instructions make any sense.

There's also a cool looking little python project on github that says it can retrieve and view browser history from any browser on any platform:

I'd probably try the python one first.

#10 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Anyone where to find more cartoony old icons for jwm? » 2023-02-24 23:53:36

JWM-Kit wrote:

Good eye Kelsoo.  As you have stated the icons are licensed under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license by the original artist.  Although you can find various repackaged/remixed version under the GPL.  I don't know if they were re-license with permission, or if some one made a packaging error and others just went with it.

I tried to figure out the history of the licensing and cc-by-whatever last year when you and I were hacking on it, but it looks like that rabbit hole goes down further than what I explored previously. It's possible that the icons themselves are copyrighted under one creative commons license and that the distro packages are gpl but they are just the installers for going out and grabbing those icons?

I probably won't do another Libre-antiX respin with them for the time being, or unless I can contact the original artist and clarify the status.

#11 Re: Devuan » Increasing need for RAM » 2023-02-18 22:24:31

charliebrownau wrote:

Also replace ((( FIREFOX))) with Librewolf

I mostly use Pale Moon, which uses less ram than Librewolf. I use Librewolf for the few websites that Pale Moon can't handle. And sometimes I just use the links2 browser for a few days. Depends on whether I'm in a keyboarding mood or a mouse-clicking mood.

Seamonkey uses a few mb's less than Pale Moon, but Pale Moon has the superior add-ons that I prefer.

#12 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2023-02-18 05:25:17

nahkhiirmees wrote: Junkhead (Alice In Chains)

beginning of song sounds a bit like Black Sabbath. Although singer is not Ozzy.

They did a literal tribute to Black Sabbath with the short piece "Iron Gland" from the same 1992 album "Dirt" -

#13 Re: Installation » Interesting article - systemd reaches out further » 2023-02-18 01:30:48

Altoid wrote:

How long will I be able to hold out?

There are plenty of laptop vendors selling corebooted Linux laptops at relatively decent prices these days. And of course if you want a desktop, you can just build your own if you don't want to buy a corebooted one. There's no real need to buy hardware designed for Windows any longer from my view.

As far as how long can you run your current equipment? I use a couple of 12-year old systems, and they run fine for the simple office tasks I use them for. They run normal Devuan, I don't need to use any special kernels. As long as you have an SSD in them, yours should give you many years of good use I would think.

#14 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-02-14 20:49:41

Why would a new distro that strives to be "simple", "clean", and to "eliminate legacy cruft" use gnome I wonder?

Musl would be nice except Void's been doing it for years so we already know there's a bunch of important programs that won't work right with it. dinit is a very nice touch.


Big news, I'm really stepping up my dwm ricing game - I changed my wallpaper again:

#15 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Polkit issues on Xfce (with Consolekit) » 2023-02-11 19:34:11

Did you try just simply 'sudo synaptic'? That's what I have to do from the terminal in dwm on antiX to get synaptic running. If I recall correctly, pkexec commands just spit out errors in that environment.

#16 Re: Off-topic » Out of respect... » 2023-02-10 23:03:13

I'm really going to miss that blackhole anonymous online persona who [checks notes] rage quit after the moderators belittled his/her/their juvenile attempts to intimidate them.

I really came here to report that the 'startxfce4' command really does start the xfce4 desktop without any other manipulations or gyrations, and that it does put you in a user-owned xorg, and that it's not just for cave persons. But that's kind of off-topic so I'll stop talking about stupid computer stuff and eat my popcorn while watching hoas put miyo through a "political beliefs inquisition".

#17 Re: News & Announcements » X.Org Security Advisory: Security issue in the X server » 2023-02-07 21:40:09

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

cave person

Very important that we not misgender any of our trans Cro-Magnon friends. Good on you hoas.

Using ~/.xinitrc is actually not recommended for De{bi,vu}an systems, ~/.xsession should be used instead

Believe it or not, even though it often probably seems as if I know everything and have magical sed and awk powers, this was a new one for me. Very interesting.

#18 Re: News & Announcements » X.Org Security Advisory: Security issue in the X server » 2023-02-07 20:00:54

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

To switch to startx either remove or disable (eg, update-rc.d slim disable) the display manager

Or just 'sudo sysv-rc-conf' and disable slim or lightdm, which is what I did, what I like to call 'the easy way'.

and add this line to the end of ~/.profile (or ~/.bash_profile if you use bash and have that file already) to start the desktop automatically after log in at TTY1:

[ "$(tty)" = /dev/tty1 ] && exec startx

Or just be a normal person and write a ~/.xinitrc file with 'exec dwm' (or whatever your wm/desktop is), or with xfce4 just use the 'startxfce4' command instead of 'startx'.

Or just switch to Wayland :-)

... in another 15 years when Wayland is ready for most use cases ...

#19 Re: Off-topic » Here is a good lesson, in the art of the troll! » 2023-02-03 23:36:42

Well unfortunately your issue got "closed as not planned" and locked zapper. Not sure how I will earn my million dollars using Windows 3.0 now, I was really counting on that.

Guess I will have to go to Plan B - hacking into Fort Knox using my Commodore 64.

#20 Re: Off-topic » What are you reading/want to read ? » 2023-01-27 23:43:35

"Credo" by Karl Barth, probably the most impactful theologian since Calvin and Luther. Trying to get a better understanding of him. Barth's critics accuse him of promoting universal salvation, but that seems to be a misreading, as Barth talks about universal "hope" of salvation, a very different thing. Barth believes that Christ's atoning sacrifice was sufficient for all, and that our job is to respond in faith and not reject that atoning work. This would seem consistent with the Biblical passages that say Christ died once for all, and the concept in Mark 3:28-29, where Christ said, ““Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”-...” (NASB). Don't reject the ongoing sanctification work of the Holy Spirit, don't assign the product of that work to demonic forces.

I'm not convinced yet, and Barth's critics on this point are the large majority in evangelical Christianity, so if I decide to become a proponent then I'm going to have my apologetics work cut out for me.

#21 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-01-25 20:29:42

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

The attachaside patch needs updating for v6.4 and I just can't be bothered. EDIT: a systray? In dwm? Heresy!

I love my little flameshot systray button. I'm not much of a suckless purist, in fact I abhor st and surf, but nearly everything about vanilla dwm is perfect for the way I work.

attachaside is for people whose brains are backward.

#22 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-01-25 08:01:17

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

^ Vanilla dwm with no status line? How quaint tongue

I've done plenty of patching and ricing and tinkering in the past, but eventually I found I was happiest and most productive with vanilla. It does have slstatus running with date and time though, it's just that the screenshoting program was on monitor #2 so this wasn't the monitor in focus. And I like having a systray for a couple of items I occasionally use, so I usually do the systray patch. Not much else. Picom for terminal transparency so I can see the pretty wallpapers. I like your setup though - nice colors, nice layout, very pleasant and comfortable looking. I don't know why you would spend your time trying so many other desktops and wm's when you have something so nice already.

#23 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-01-25 00:54:59

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

a dwm scrot

The only thing better than dwm on devuan is xcowsay on dwm on devuan

#24 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-01-22 00:08:14

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

As requested:


Wow!!! I know you aren't one to write down all your steps. But you should really write down all your steps, so some of the rest of us can try this. Maybe start a new thread?

#25 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2023-01-21 15:06:59

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
andyprough wrote:


systemd is actually an open-source clone of Mac's launchd. It pains me greatly to admit this. I hate Macs *much* more than Windows.

Good point. From now on I will refer to it as jobs.gates-init. Got to give old Bill some amount of credit for paying all of Lennart's pub tabs.

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