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#1 Re: Devuan » The point of Devuan? » 2020-07-09 04:16:01

sgage wrote:

You know, I've been thinking (ouch!). It seems to me that Devuan, while still a relatively small project, is attracting more and more new people all the time, and many of them are perhaps unclear as to what Devuan is. In fact, some people seem to assume that Devuan is the answer to their personal Hopes and Dreams or something. A Rorschach test, as it were.

When I first encountered Devuan years ago, it seemed pretty clear: it was a project to create and maintain a systemd-free Debian. That's really all I wanted - pretty straightforward. But as the time went on, and I spent time on the forum and IRC, it became clear that different folks were forming rather different ideas as to what was the point of Devuan. There seems to be a contingent that feels that Devuan is/ought to be a super-minimalist system, and those who feel that it should be 'libre' to the max. Etc., etc.

Then come the SJW types. Devuan's association with Dyne I think might have contributed to this...

Dyne seems to be a very 'socially conscious' outfit (for lack of a better term). There is definitely a SJW vibe there, and some of the statements made by Jaromil and others strengthen that impression. Sometimes at the expense of the technology, such as the time Jaromil said that he didn't care if the repos were down for months at a time so long as the workers felt mellow and unstressed and fulfilled (or something - I don't remember the exact words). Now, as admirable as that might be, some folks/shops might not be real comfortable with that sentiment.

But others resonate with that, and next thing you know, you have folks like silver2 coming on trying to remake the IRC channel to his liking, appearing most thoughtful and gentle, and then flouncing off in a bitter cloud of invective when he receives pushback. To me, his proposals sounded like control-freakery, but whatever.

Me, all I ever wanted was a systemd-free Debian. That's really the point of Devuan, right?

I find it best not to contextualize technical endeavors in the language of morality. I've never considered Devuan or Dyne as necessarily SJW-driven, more so that their developers design and act with a socio-political emphasis that is much more unobjectionable than say, the monopolistic endeavors of systemd or the monetary incentives of Windows/Apple. From the perspective of those involved in these projects, they are equally as forward-thinking and ethical as members in this community. Whether or not they're totally delusional, is neither here nor there.

The emphasis of Devuan has always been hammered home as a systemd-free distribution upholding the tenants of Unix philosophy and init freedom, but I find that the value of this project and similar projects, is in its mounted antagonism as an entity that refuses to "bend the knee" in a space that seems to be doing so to a monopolistic design concept with proven flaws and detrimental long term effects. Having a space that acts as a counterbalance keeps the Linux sphere open and from being simply braindead as to the other side of technical arguments.

#2 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » In search of a privacy oriented browser » 2018-08-08 22:15:09

golinux wrote:
MiyoLinux wrote:

There's also the Brave browser (based on Chromium), but the last time I tried it, it was a memory hog.

Isn't Brave browser the one that wants to force "acceptable" ads on users?  No thank you!!

I had no clue they were forcing them on users. Originally, there were several people involved in Brave that were previously involved in privacy-related endeavors, including Tor, and the perspective I had heard was that they were building a browser that allowed for more privacy, but also allowed users the ability to voluntarily distribute monetary compensation to pages/sites whose content they supported heavily. Somewhat of a Flattr meets Palemoon scenario, at least what was espoused. If what was said above was true about the tracking and the forced ads, pretty amazing to see what just a few months to a year can do for turning around the initial premise of what was supposed to be a reputable endeavor. Can't say I'm surprised though. I could see a scenario where there needed to be a discussion of cashflow in order to maintain San Francisco office space and an unnecessary amount of developers or w/e the fuck, and then that turned into a hard pivot that completely cut against what was advertised initially. It's human nature for most to only be as noble as they can be within a certain realm of comfort.

#3 Re: Off-topic » Firefox Quantum » 2017-11-23 15:50:47

MiyoLinux wrote:
golinux wrote:

And I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you . . . FF without the addons I've been using for years is a non-starter regardless of how fast it supposedly is. My old FF is pretty snappy so had no complaints about speed before.  The biggest annoyance I have is that it's a memory hog and needs to be reloaded regularly.

So you're the one who owns that bridge! I would offer you a 5-spot for it, but I don't want it. big_smile

I don't know golinux...I'm not much of an internet surfer, so I can only say what I personally experience. I've never had a problem with the speed of Firefox before, and the only add-ons I use are uBlock-Origin and Privacy Badger.

All that I know is based on my internet habits, the new Firefox Quantum is definitely much faster...but that doesn't really matter to me. I just thought it might be of interest to others...whether good or bad. wink

I can say as an active dweller of the net, that I never had a problem with Firefox's speed to begin with. My gripes were always of a security-related nature, and that's coming from someone who isn't necessarily a security guru, just someone with a budding interest in opsec/infosec and a strong desire to tinker. From a usability perspective, Firefox was always above Icecat, Palemoon, or Tor Browser. Icecat's design can break most pages (As someone said further down, it has NEVER affected this site <3), Palemoon didn't seem as responsive, and Tor Browser is noticeably slower for reasons that are obvious to anyone who even knows a trivial amount about it. I've had to essentially compromise by hardening Firefox, using certain addons (NoScript, uBlock-Origin, Privacy Badger, HTTPS Everywhere, Disconnect, etc, while modifying a few options in about:config.

This didn't get rid of all of my concerns, but it gave me more security than what I was given out of the box. There was still the concern for sites like Youtube, but I found a program called Youtube-dl which allows you to use a wget-like download process by simply copying and pasting the link to the playlist or individual videos, which can then be watched in whatever specified quality/format you downloaded it in from your favorite media player. I've been told by other people that this seemed "paranoid", so I took it as not being paranoid enough and now sandbox Firefox, any torrenting programs, and VLC player with a program called Firejail. This solved a lot of my gripes with Firefox, and seems to give me as the best medium between security and usability..

For anything sensitive or personal I use Tor Browser. There seem to be plenty of criticisms for Tor, but it is also universally praised for what it can offer out of the box. In a perfect world, I2P would have the funding, political backing, and development power of Tor and then I would just use that for everything.

#4 Re: Off-topic » A Week of my life... » 2017-10-28 18:45:43

MiyoLinux wrote:

The adventure came to a screeching halt today...

cynwulf and FOSSuser nailed it...and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

In my hesitancy of installing on a UEFI computer for the first time, and not wanting to screw up my wife's computer, I took the easy route and installed a distro that would basically take care of it for me. I don't want to name it, but it starts with an "X" and ends with an "ubuntu". big_smile

My wife installed updates last night, and I got a call at work this morning from her...her computer wouldn't boot up.

To make a long story short, I installed Miyo-XTRA-Ascii on another one of my partitions, changed it over to EFI, built a new .iso of it, and installed that on her computer (with the xfce panel as default for her).

All I can say is that fsmithred is a genius!

edited to correct the spelling of cynwulf's name

I could understand your hesitance to admit to it on a forum dedicated to a project that exists to spite the technical direction of the aforementioned, but it's all well and good to take baby steps. Before I found this project and various technical explanations for its legitimacy and value, I used Debian exclusively. Was thrilled to know that my familiarity with the distro wasn't entirely wasted since Devuan is based off of my past preference.

#5 Re: Off-topic » Charitable contributions via amazon » 2017-10-08 13:10:52

You could argue that being tracked is the only downside necessary. Depends entirely on the individual, whom they are supporting, etc in regards to whether or not the tracking part matters, but I would say you don't make it to this corner of the internet if it doesn't, right?

#7 Re: Devuan » Can Devuan survive and face the development of Debian? » 2017-10-08 12:29:02

spartrekus wrote:

Hello,

Since there are more people developing Debian, does it leave some chances to survive to Devuan. The idea / concept of Devuan is really cool, but what about it s future.

Bugs reporting but also fixing them are important issues.

Thank you

The success and development of one distribution isn't going to cripple the success of another distribution based on it with entirely different political and development goals. Devuan made the best choice they could in utilizing Debian as a base, which means that they can "leech" the user-base that used Debian, but wanted a more free and security-based distribution on the whole - they could then switch to Devuan. Personally for me, this was the case entirely. Debian seems more concerned with appealing to the general audience, often opting to bloat the distribution more than I need in order to appeal to a broader range of users, which isn't necessarily a bad move (if you don't mind double-backing on the more "ethical" approach to security or one's technical autonomy), it just cuts against some of my interests and desires. If there's a supply and there's a demand, there's little room for the failing of any project driven almost entirely by incentive and ethics.

The Dyne team are heavy-hitters and don't strike me at all as the type of people who build things that they aren't going to see through. They've literally churned out more creditable security-based projects than anyone out there, and every single project is highly regarded and respected in the various pools of individuals that float around in the multitude of privacy and opsec-related hubs. No one's a psychic, but I really don't see why anyone would have doubts about the legitimacy of a project like this. The world being as fucked as it is when it comes to the security and technical spaces almost guarantees Devuan's relevance; developers behind Devuan almost guarantee its excellence.

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