thats cool. just thought it should be mentioned. im sure its (at least) as frustrating for the admins as it is for us.

i figure i will find out who admins the forum if i peruse the mailing lists for a while. theyre not as busy as they used to be, and the devuan community isnt too big on contact/info, but it can be useful to know whos in charge.

edit: oh, here we go:

*sigh* -- this kind of stuff made sense for the first 6-8 months. debian once had a level of openness (as in community, not source) that truly rivaled what happens with devuan. otherwise, someone might have fixed the dumb installer (d-i) by now.

how many months has devuan had a dvd-sized netinstall image? why dont they take it down, and how many DAYS would it take to put up an image that had a properly configured installer (like all the ones before beta?) after close to 2 years of using devuan, ive already given up on anything but derivatives.

i switched to devuan because i cant recommend something as ridiculous as systemd to real live users. i switched from devuan because i cant recommend a distro that cant be installed like it says on the tin-- and netinstallers are a pain-- at least for me and anyone i know irl.

2 years (feb 2015-dec 2016 is a couple months away from it) is too long to not care about whether people can install "normally" or not. theres just no reason they cant do it-- its just not scheduled.

maybe its time for more criticism to get them to prioritize something other than a perfect build system that never gets put into action when its needed most, like two months ago or right now.

obviously the build system is important-- its what makes devuan work in the first place. but then its not performing its sole function-- making devuan work. are they waiting to release for the year of the linux desktop, or what?

where to submit derivative-derivatives? there are at least a couple derivatives based on refracta already-- they may not be wholly unique (mine isnt) but they do have features out-of-the-box, some of which are worthy of note.

the best measure of success for devuan as a fork is if it has enough derivatives based on it, like debian had. i dont know how many ubuntu derivatives there are out there, but ubuntu was certainly a huge step forward (for a while) in terms of promoting debian. i may have never used debian if not for ubuntu (circa 2008 i mean.)