21:50:28 <sabasedigh> hello

21:50:52 <sabasedigh> I want to upgrade devuan and I am not sure what to do. Would you help?

21:55:44 <gnarface> sabasedigh: https://www.devuan.org/os/install

21:56:02 <gnarface> instructions there

21:56:18 <gnarface> if you have questions just ask and be patient, someone will help eventually

21:57:48 <sabasedigh> gnarface: thanks I see. It seams the latest is based on debian 11 buster

22:09:45 <golinux> sabasedigh: https://www.devuan.org/os/releases

22:17:18 <golinux> Latest is based on bullseye

03:37:07 <theodore> Does anyone here have experience with with doas on a minimal devuan netinstall with runit? I have added my /usr/local/etc/doas.conf with "permit $USER as root" ($USER is my user ofc) but when im trying a doas command from my user I only get a doas: syntax error at line 1, what am I doing wrong?

04:36:21 <lts-> theodore: check that you have a newline after that line 1

04:38:29 <theodore> Like just a regular enter

04:38:30 <theodore> ?

04:38:41 <theodore> so the file ends with an empty line

04:39:54 <theodore> Omg that worked

04:40:01 <theodore> now I feel really stupid haha

04:41:53 <theodore> thank you so much

05:11:29 <lts-> np. I'm paranoid and always leave a newline at the end of every config, precisely because there are software like this

05:23:21 <theodore> ill remember that trick for sure

05:39:48 <theodore> Okay while I am here anyway I have another question, anyone knows how to install microsoft teams on devuan? Unfortunatly I have to use that shit app for school. Ive installed the .deb package, dpkg -i i, but when I try to run "teams" from terminal nothing happens

05:46:59 <djph> theodore: as in it attempts to launch then crashes right back to a prompt?

05:48:03 <theodore> If I type 'teams' and then enter nothing happens, no error message or anything

05:49:23 <djph> does it go back to the prompt, or act as if the program is still executing?

05:50:22 <theodore> Go back to prompt

05:51:01 <djph> so it executes and apparently finishes fine ...

05:51:27 <djph> what is the 'teams' thing? an actual ELF binary, or just a wrapping script of sorts?

05:52:09 <theodore> How can I check that?

05:54:36 <lts-> With 'file $(which teams)' for example

05:55:07 <lts-> You could install strace and run 'strace teams' to see what is it trying to do

05:55:13 <lts-> *also

06:20:23 <theodore> Allright

06:20:30 <theodore> strace gave me this output https://paste.sensio.no/StephensGuild

06:21:02 <theodore> I don't really know what any of that means

06:41:16 <Joril> theodore: well "teams" is just a script that launches /usr/share/teams/teams

06:43:12 <Joril> could you try a "strace -f teams" instead ?

07:20:30 <rkta> I stopped trying to get teams running. I just installed google-chrome and use the teams website. That works just fine.

07:21:11 <theodore> Bro Im literally so out of ms ecosystem I didnt heven know youcould do that

07:21:35 <theodore> well in that case thats what I'd do as well, I much rather use it in the browser than as a app

07:22:30 <rkta> Beware, it's for a reason that I run it in google-chrome. I had trouble with FF and chromium.

07:23:08 <rkta> I use google-chrome for all the shitty broked stuff I need to use for dayjob.

07:23:59 <theodore> the glowiebrowser perhaps? Yeah I usually like to keep stuff separated like that as well

07:30:07 <rkta> glowiebrowser?

07:55:19 <onefang> The "nuke it from orbit until it glows, it's the only way to be sure" browser? Or maybe theodore meant Firefox, since fire glows?

07:58:28 <theodore> Hehe i was using terry tavis slang, sorry, glowie would mean the fbi, refering to google chrome as a glowie browser jokingly meaning it would be spyware

08:00:07 <theodore> Maybe a little bit far fetched

08:00:08 <theodore> sorry

08:00:47 <onefang> So I was right the first time, nuke it from orbit until it glows brightly enough to be seen from the Moon.

08:01:01 <onefang> But off topic now.

11:08:08 <EdBoatConnoisseu> i already did a post on the forum but just in case someone looks more at irc than the forum

11:08:35 <EdBoatConnoisseu> i'm writing a init independient implementation of user services

11:08:40 <EdBoatConnoisseu> https://codeberg.org/eylles/shed

11:09:32 <EdBoatConnoisseu> i call it shed, it is intended to take care of problems like pipewire lingering across sessions

11:10:47 <EdBoatConnoisseu> it still needs a lot of work, but is a start

13:10:30 <eyalroz> @EdBoatConnoisseu: Suppose I use sysvinit right now. How would shed help me? I don't quite get it.

16:04:49 <xisop> anyone here know if it's possible to do sda crypt after installation

16:06:12 <xisop> hmm. looks like maybe full disk enc might not be possible, but i could encrypt certain folders

16:22:06 <gnarface> i think uh, you can do everything but /boot or something like that

16:22:34 <EdBoatConnoisseu> eyalroz: if you want to use pipewire to replace pulseaudio, simply starting it on xsession, pipewire will linger after the session is killed, the "reccomended" ways which is checking for the pidof pipewire and either not starting or killing the other instances becomes messy if you want to have multiple x11 sessions, like in another tty or maybe inside xephir, shed guarantees that the instance of pipewire created for the xsession will

16:22:34 <EdBoatConnoisseu> be killed without aknowledging any instance of pipewire that doesn't belong to the x11 session where it was started

16:23:22 <eyalroz> @EdBoatConnoisseu: I've never used pipewire. What would using it help me with?

16:24:05 <eyalroz> (by the way - I'm no Devuan expert, I'm sure other people here have more experience with these things)

16:27:46 <EdBoatConnoisseu> in short pipewire is a more performant replacement for pulseaudio, personally i use it to not have to do the pulseaudio and jack dance when i want to use aurdour and record something from my audio interface, also pipewire is used for screen sharing in wayland

16:29:02 <EdBoatConnoisseu> but that is not really the point, the idea was to have the user services "married" to the session and be able to manage them in a manner similar to how runit and systemd can but on sysvinit, openrc and s6 (i don't think s6 or openrc can do user services)

16:30:35 <xisop> never heard of pipewire. i'll have to check it out. i'm not too fond of the whole pulseaudio system

16:32:12 <brocashelm> i'm fine with alsa

16:35:48 <fluffywolf> I also use ALSA.

16:40:40 <gnarface> you can do that audio output recording thing with just bare alsa and the snd_aloop kernel module

16:40:57 <gnarface> you don't need pulseaudio or pipeire for that

16:43:32 <EdBoatConnoisseu> aurdour really only requires jack, pipewire provides both jack and pulseaudio api emulation, and i don't see myself recording music without a Digital Audio Workstation so i'm okay with that compromise

18:11:09 <eyalroz> Is there a decent comparison of the different init systems available today for Linux? Perhaps even a publicly-available video?