09:08:54 <auanta> @eyalroz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkkU1CHI3TY

09:18:59 <auanta> @eyalroz https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,1439.0.html

09:32:46 <auanta> s6 + 66 sounds the most minimalist

09:33:31 <auanta> runit you have to write scripts for

09:35:37 <auanta> openrc you just edit /etc/rc.conf and /etc/conf.d

09:37:04 <auanta> the first one is a regular config file and the second one is a scripts directory

09:43:12 <auanta> here is a spreadsheet comparison of all the inits

09:43:33 <auanta> @eyalroz https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems

09:48:11 <auanta> another tool that you don't often hear about is GNU Shepherd https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/

09:50:39 <Xenguy> Doesn't appear to be in my version of Devuan

10:05:48 <auanta> yea looks like it's not on many distros

10:12:10 <golinux> auanta: I haven't seen the person who was developing 66 in ages. He didn't move his repo when we moved from gitlab to gites

10:13:29 <auanta> ah, that's too bad..

10:14:52 <golinux> He may be doing it elsewhere. He used to be part of dyne

10:19:40 <golinux> https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,4135.0.html

10:21:02 <auanta> well with that, then OpenRC is the best in my opinion :P

10:21:36 <golinux> https://danyspin97.org/blog/devember-2019-rewriting-66/

10:21:48 <auanta> s6 booted the fastest, OpenRC was just behind it

10:21:56 <golinux> He used to come to our weekly meets

10:22:12 <Xenguy> I think I remember that guy

10:36:15 <auanta> systemd has 1 and a half million lines of code...

10:36:29 <auanta> 66 had 16000 according to that blog

10:38:55 <auanta> ok now I want to learn to program in D.. thans Dan

10:48:59 <auanta> and well idk about this year but a few years ago OpenRC had only 195 lines of code... wow :]

15:38:54 <eyalroz> @auanta Thanks :-)

19:57:43 <Wizzup> are there debootstrap scripts available for daedalus?

20:03:34 <Wizzup> looks like it links to ceres: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/debootstrap/commit/61613f42612f3079d7dac513638ea42839652f22

20:36:37 <fsmithred> Wizzup, that's normal. You will get daedalus if you tell debootstrap you want daedalus.

20:37:23 <Wizzup> well the symlink isn't there and my jenkins CI complains that daedalus doesn't exist

20:37:27 <Wizzup> so I guess I can make the symlink

21:22:48 <fsmithred> yes, you can make the symlink

21:27:07 <Wizzup> fsmithred: thanks

04:21:47 <eyalroz> @auanta: Just watched the YouTube link... it's a long video about boot times; not much of a comparison IMHO. Not to mention the lack of rigorous description of the experimental protocol and relevant hardware and software :-(

05:56:05 <auanta> @eyalroz yeah the gentoo wiki link is better about that and the artix forum had some good points

05:57:02 <auanta> @eyalroz not sure which experimental "protocol" you mean? network protocol?.. or methodology?

05:57:05 <eyalroz> Yes, thanks, looking at those too. I've always stuck to sysvinit, and it's not like I boot my PC that often (nor the servers at work, where I can't control the init system anyway),

05:57:19 <eyalroz> so I'm trying to figure out whether it would be useful to switch.

05:57:41 <eyalroz> "experimental protocol" - the experiment the person posting the video ran.

05:58:41 <auanta> @eyalroz we're talking init system right?? any init system for the linux kernel should work on all hardware that runs linux?

05:59:36 <auanta> also i wouldnt consider runit or openrc to be experimental. 66 is abandoned.. openrc has run on gentoo for years. runit is the native bsd init system, also old.

05:59:51 <auanta> sysvinit is ofc, old..

06:00:06 <auanta> so i don't understand

06:00:35 <auanta> ok catching up to ur replied

06:01:25 <auanta> ok i gotcha. :)

06:03:23 <auanta> @eyalroz they all work. they're all less bloated than systemd. you don't get much from changing it, unless you already know the specific reason why you want to switch

06:03:54 <auanta> for me, i decided openrc because i don't have to write scripts and it's fastest

06:04:13 <auanta> but that's the default so also it was no work

06:04:14 <eyalroz> I remember when booting would take much longer than it does not

06:04:16 <eyalroz> does now*

06:04:33 <eyalroz> before journaling was common

06:04:38 <eyalroz> and we waited for FS checks

06:04:53 <eyalroz> and I used to have NFS timeouts in some places I worked in

06:05:07 <eyalroz> So the difference between fast and slow today doesn't really bother me.

06:06:11 <auanta> don't break what ain't broken? :P unless... for fun

06:06:54 <auanta> that's how i find myself at devuan.. got bored of debian, decided to step out of my little bubble XD

06:16:27 <Guest26> how to encrypt persistence partition in devuan?

06:44:52 <fatal> use luks, Guest26. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LUKS

06:45:37 <fatal> oh well