#devuan

19:19:22 <gnarface> nemo: hypothesizing that the kernel from unstable isn't necessary, i suggest trying to debootstrap ceres into a chroot so you can install openjdk 16 and the minecraft server in there

21:23:47 <nemo> gnarface: I'm thinking I should just forcibly install the .deb and see what happens ☺

21:23:56 <nemo> gnarface: nothing system critical probably requires java

21:24:21 <nemo> not to mention, I *think* java versions are packaged to install side by side

21:33:01 <gnarface> yea it might work, i just avoid that type of behavior because usually it leads to failed release upgrades after i've forgotten doing it

21:34:09 <nemo> I 'spose. shouldn't be too hard to remove though

21:34:14 <nemo> thankfully it had no weird dependencies

21:34:26 <nemo> or at least. the dependencies it had were on standard chimaera stuff

21:34:36 <nemo> once it makes it to chimaera I'll do it properly

02:12:34 <mdt> mason: nice writing, does that mean i can replace elogind by seatd? can you suggest that?

02:14:44 <mdt> (it doesnt conflict with elogind, does it even work alongside with elogind?) as an old-school-unixer i am not an expert on all these new login deamons today :/

04:43:22 <Walex> mdt: Not many I think are experts on "all these new login deamons today" because they are wonderfully underdocumented, a bit like the various services under MS-Windows, that is the model that FreeDesktop.org are following.

05:10:52 <paprika> during boot, using openrc, with no ethernet cable attached, it tries to configure DHCP for about a minute, how do I disable/skip this?

05:18:11 <lts-> paprika: the answer depends on your dhcp client. Either it might be possible to fork that to the background somehow, or at minimum it will support a timeout variable. Try "grep timeout /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf" for example

05:20:18 <Walex> paprika: or you can disable the networking service, or you can deconfigure the ethernet interface.

05:20:54 <Walex> paprika: are you perhaps asking how to *detect* that there is no cable attached and then skip DHCP if there is no cable attached?

10:40:36 <mason> mdt: I haven't tried it yet but I plan to. I don't run elogind because I don't feel like running systemd on my systems.

11:22:44 <Guest84> Apt package downloading speed is too slow I tried to change mirror but still very slow like never cross 150kbps

11:26:54 <onefang> http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html might be useful, and / or https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt to help pick a nearby mirror.

15:56:43 <mdt> mason: yes, their writing sounds great but `apt purge elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind` removes half of the system - libelogind0 seems to be kind of important. so i wonder how to run a system without elogind

16:01:59 <fsmithred> mdt, you can run a system without elogind pretty easily if you start with a minimal install and avoid task-*-desktop package. Install stuff manually.

16:02:34 <fsmithred> avoiding libelogind0 or libsystemd0 is not really possible without doing some extra trickery.

17:14:04 <mason> mdt: The only thing I depend on that links libelogind0 at present (at least for the server where I was testing this) was OpenSSH, and that, coming from OpenBSD, clearly doesn't require it itself, so can be forked.

17:14:29 <eyalroz> quick question: Installing chimaera: Should I use the new alpha netinst image, or should I install beowulf, edit the APT sources and dist-upgrade?

17:14:29 <mason> As for elogind, as fsmithred says, it's pretty easy to avoid.

17:17:58 <golinux> eyalroz: Feedback on the alphas would be appreciated but either method works

17:18:35 <eyalroz> golinux: Is there reason to believe they would be flakey?

17:20:36 <golinux> Just want to make sure nothing is missing etc.

17:22:51 <eyalroz> golinux: Ok, then I'll try the alpha then

17:23:23 <eyalroz> I'm not in the mood for bug-filing though, I filed 20, yes 20, bugs against LO Impress over the past 4 days.