#devuan

20:49:18 <rwp> If chomwitt was still here I would say that runit has a compatibility layer to run sysvinit init.d scripts.

20:49:39 <rwp> That's why it's not required that native runit scripts be present. It will use the init.d script.

05:10:20 <fsmithred> did you manage to get devuan installed?

05:10:21 <chomwitt> i am doing an upgrade from Beowulf to Chimaera

05:10:56 <fsmithred> did you install full desktop or just a minimal system?

05:11:16 <chomwitt> i changed apt.sources and gave : apt update && apt upgrade

05:11:34 <chomwitt> initially in Beowulf a minimal

05:11:56 <fsmithred> you might also do 'apt full-upgrade'

05:13:25 <chomwitt> i follow https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting i dont know if there is a relevant devuan page.

05:13:54 <schillingklaus> isn't chimaera still unstable?

05:14:58 <chomwitt> schillingklaus, i asked that and its testing

05:15:41 <fsmithred> chomwitt, there are some upgrade guides here: https://www.devuan.org/os/install but there are specifics for eash release that don't apply to others. And there's no guide for beowulf to chimaera yet.

05:16:03 <fsmithred> but so far, most upgrades I've done or heard about were pretty easy.

05:24:13 <chomwitt> why would shutdown wont work after upgrading ?

05:25:21 <chomwitt> a! it worked without options

05:26:13 <fsmithred> with runit, the shutdown commands get changed

05:26:29 <chomwitt> for a sec i think i saw a warning message regarding runit

06:31:53 <gour> hello, just migrated from debian/sid to devuan/ceres/runit and wonder which image you recommend to have on usb stick for the resuce-mode when needed?

06:33:09 <fsmithred> gour, maybe chimaera alpha netinstall iso. I usually just use a live-usb for rescue/repair.

06:34:04 <fsmithred> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/

13:06:45 <gour> i switched from wicd to networkmanager and wonder what is required that nm-applet does understand that my ethernet connection is working?

13:08:05 <fsmithred> right-click on the tray icon and check the box for 'enable networking'

13:08:45 <gour> fsmithred: it's enabled and connection is up, but the applet shows 'not connected'...i assunme some residues from wicd?

13:09:17 <fsmithred> did you restart networking or reboot after replacing wicd?

13:09:20 <brocashelm> did you reboot your machine? sudo service network-manager restart

13:09:50 <gour> i haven't reboot, but did restart the service

13:10:28 <fsmithred> stopped wicd and started n-m?

13:10:30 <gour> i see some residual config from wicd, let me try to clean that 1st

13:11:12 <fsmithred> brocashelm, are you using a network gui? Which one?

13:11:21 <brocashelm> i think some symlink gets broken when switching different graphical network connectors

13:11:41 <brocashelm> fsmithred: i'm using networkmanager

13:11:47 <brocashelm> works fine for me most of the time

13:11:50 <fsmithred> I replaced n-m with connman yesterday in my chimaera-runit, and it did not start from the init script.

13:12:03 <fsmithred> not automatically. Started fine if I ran the script manually.

13:12:17 <brocashelm> i tried replacing it with connman and noticed the broken symlink in /etc/network (i think)

13:12:26 <fsmithred> starts automatically now after using antix runit scripts for connman

13:13:48 <brocashelm> since wicd is broken in chimaera and up, it's either nm or connman if you want graphical

13:14:19 <fsmithred> yeah, I was using n-m, then I got mad at it when trying to deal with two different wireless networks in the house

13:14:31 <brocashelm> connman's vpn config settings is kinda wonky to me, whereas i can just upload config files with nm and it works 99% of the time (as long as i don't mess with nm too much beyond setting up additional connections)

13:14:43 <brocashelm> oh, wifi is a pain with nm

13:14:47 <gour> should i possibler comment the 2 lines in /etc/network/interfaces:

13:15:14 <brocashelm> gour: this is what my file looks like:

13:15:15 <fsmithred> get rid of the eth0 stanza

13:15:42 <brocashelm> i have not had any problems under runit

13:24:31 <gour> devuan is such a lovely distro - bringing maturity of debian+xfce-systemd...i'm so happy to finally fully migrate to it, hoping to settle on it, use it for a long time and be able to help somehow

13:25:44 <brocashelm> gour: same here, back and forth between 2018 and early 2020 until i came across refracta

13:26:24 <brocashelm> gour: i am using ceres (unstable) myself and it's very stable and never crashes

13:27:04 <gour> brocashelm: yeah, i usually also had nice experience with sid, so ceres was obvious option

13:28:03 <brocashelm> gour: i find once you get the right settings for your install, just create an iso of it with refractatools and install that version of your devuan on other machines. saves you time and energy getting all configs 1:1

13:29:03 <brocashelm> gour: it's a great devuan-based distro, maintained by fsmithred - https://refracta.org

13:31:56 <gour> yeah, saw it, have to research a bit...still restoring from debian backup

13:33:06 <brocashelm> no worries, take your time

13:40:22 <gour> am i right that the number of people here is expanding?

13:40:38 <fsmithred> been that way for five years

13:41:03 <gour> that's also good - stability :-D

13:52:06 <brocashelm> due to the server migration

13:52:36 <rwp> There are also a lot of people just lurking for much of the day too.

13:53:21 <rwp> Also please join us in #devuan-offtopic too for random conversation. It's nice and friendly there too! :-)

14:04:49 <gour> rwp: wil visit, just to put my machine(s) in order - now putting devuan on my old netbook (spare) machine as well

14:15:40 <jason1235> on pandora, does devuan work?

14:16:04 <jason1235> where can I find this one for devuan no sysD: "http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debootstrap/debootstrap_1.0.114_all.deb" ???

14:16:10 <jason1235> I need debootstram for armhf

14:18:42 <gnarface> the devuan version of debootstrap should work for everything

14:19:17 <gnarface> if you're having trouble with the the debian version of debootstrap, then it probably still hasn't been patched for devuan

14:19:39 <gnarface> you should be able to just run the devuan one on debian

14:19:52 <gnarface> or you can rebuild it, i think it is a 1-line patch

14:20:07 <gnarface> i think i heard it was commented-out in their source even

14:20:08 <jason1235> how do you get the script ascii?

14:20:23 <jason1235> do you have the script ascii to /usr/share/debootstrap?

14:20:56 <gnarface> https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=debootstrap

14:21:35 <jason1235> this is my magic ... PKG='wpasupplicant,netbase,ssh,gcc,less,debootstrap,login,passwd' ; pwd ; debootstrap --no-check-gpg --include=$PKG ascii . http://deb.devuan.org/merged

14:22:36 <jason1235> "E: No such script: /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/ascii "

14:22:44 <jason1235> nOoooooooooooooooooo! debian does not allow it

14:22:57 <gnarface> just copy it from the devuan one

14:23:06 <gnarface> or install the devuan one entirely

14:23:07 <jason1235> I want devuan on openpandora. this is pain to use debiabn

14:23:24 <gnarface> it should be possible; the kernels are the same

14:23:38 <jason1235> do you have a link to get ascii?

14:23:48 <gnarface> i just linked it to you, you'll have to extract that package

14:27:47 <jason1235> we are the first with devuan on pandora

14:27:58 <jason1235> I tried bsd but this is pain, no one knows BSD on arms ;)

14:28:16 <gnarface> we have a #devuan-arm channel, just fyi

14:28:23 <jason1235> I am so much peaced of systemd on archlinux

14:28:29 <gnarface> it's less traffic than here but the people there are focused primarily on arm devices

14:28:41 <jason1235> oh now, #devuan is comfort

14:28:52 <jason1235> we are happy to talk guys. to bring a bit life here

14:30:01 <jason1235> gnarface: your devuan is underated.

14:30:10 <jason1235> people run for systemd, this is such a pain

14:30:36 <gnarface> we know. we also have #devuan-offtopic if you feel like ranting about it. but this channel is reserved for support issues.

14:30:40 <jason1235> even on BSD; please complain and want systemd., ask for systemd. what a sadness for programmers, of unix philso.

14:30:52 <jason1235> ok... i get to pandora and devuan topic

14:31:23 <jason1235> I will make a devuan rootfs for people

14:35:05 <furrymcgee> just tell them how to use debootstrap

14:35:34 <jason1235> easy: ... PKG='wpasupplicant,netbase,ssh,gcc,less,debootstrap,login,passwd' ; pwd ; debootstrap --no-check-gpg --include=$PKG ascii . http://deb.devuan.org/merged

14:40:52 <jason1235> /usr/sbin/debootstrap: 53: /usr/sbin/debootstrap: detect_container: not found

14:44:22 <jason1235> dpkg --print-architecture good. givers armhf.

14:45:23 <jason1235> what could be "detect_container: not found"?

14:48:55 <jason1235> root@pandian:/DEVUAN# dpkg -i debootstrap_1.0.114_all.deb --reinstall

14:49:03 <jason1235> debootstrap ascii . http://deb.devuan.org/merged workin!

15:16:10 <chomwitt> i like to put apache under runit in Chimaera. I am thinking https://salsa.debian.org/runit-team/runscript-collection/-/tree/master/apache2

15:25:59 <rwp> chomwitt, AFAICT runit uses the existing init.d scripts if there is not an overriding runit config for it. But of course native runit configuration is fine too.

15:27:18 <fsmithred> chomwitt, I just tried it, and it seems to be working

15:28:29 <rwp> fsmithred, A runit installed system and just normal shutdown and reboot commands all work okay? I assume they would. (I rewrote my one runit system. I need to build another.)

15:29:24 <fsmithred> "shutdown" and "reboot" work, but they are symlinks to /lib/runit/shutdown

15:29:42 <chomwitt> fsmithred, you mean the Lorenzo runit scripts?

15:30:22 <fsmithred> Yeah, I guess those are his. It's whatever comes when you install runit-init

15:30:27 <rwp> Seems reasonable. Nice to keep compatibility. The native runit seems to be "init 0" and "init 6" for Halt and Reboot.

15:30:49 <fsmithred> gettys and ssh are under runit. Everything else uses the init scripts.

15:32:11 <fsmithred> I've moved a bunch over to runit scripts, using Lorenzo's scripts, and today I added a connman script from the antix collection.

15:33:21 <fsmithred> chomwitt, did you get apache working with runit?

15:33:32 <chomwitt> fsmithred, do i just download the apache runit files and cp them to /etc/sv ?

15:34:01 <fsmithred> yes, and then run 'update-service --add /etc/sv/apache2'

15:34:28 <fsmithred> then add it, and it will start again automatically

15:38:56 <jason1235> done, openpandora with devuan. ready to use.

15:46:16 <plasma41> chomwitt: Does your sources.list contain entries mentioning "testing" or "chimaera"? Make sure to use "chimaera" and not "testing" or you're going to have a bad time when Bullseye releases and Chimaera hasn't yet.

15:55:32 <chomwitt> plasma41, checked. it says chimaera