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2019-04-04
20:45:44 <Xenguy> FriendlyMan, Hello, are you a giant?
20:50:00 <Xenguy> Pardon the whimsy, but of course
20:52:53 <mlsmith> Xenguy, I had to look that up. Never seen the show.
20:53:15 <Xenguy> It's in the past, for sure
20:53:43 <Xenguy> Look up... Look waaaaayyyyyyyyy up
20:54:06 <Xenguy> He was the most friendly and chill giant ever
20:54:08 <mlsmith> Yeah that is an old show. It ended the year after I was born.
20:54:27 <Xenguy> You could have worse people influencing your child ; -)
20:54:52 <Xenguy> I adored Rusty (the rooster?)
20:55:07 <Xenguy> Anyhow, dating myself here, as it were
20:56:38 <mlsmith> Haha, no worries. age = experience & wisdom
20:57:01 <Xenguy> I'm still a sprite it turns out, mwuhaha
20:57:41 <Xenguy> I'm all for wisdom though
20:57:54 <Xenguy> If we can't learn from mistakes, what's the point?
20:57:59 <mlsmith> Are all sprites mischievous?
20:58:13 <Xenguy> It's a hotly debated topic!
20:58:23 <Xenguy> But yes, I think so
20:58:30 <Xenguy> It goes with the territory
20:58:35 <furrywolf> I've heard of it, but never seen it... never been a tv fan.
20:58:48 <Xenguy> .oO( Are we off-topic yet ? )
20:59:42 <mlsmith> Is there an off-topic channel?
20:59:51 <Xenguy> furrywolf, TV was, and is, shite, but some of us got brainwashed by it before people knew it was a negative influence
21:00:01 <Xenguy> mlsmith, debianfork
21:00:15 <Xenguy> C'mon down
21:00:30 <mlsmith> Okee dokee
21:00:58 <furrywolf> Xenguy: ... I haven't noticed that happening yet.
21:01:17 <furrywolf> that is, people still don't seem to think it's a negative influence.
21:01:48 <Xenguy> Like Jules said, "It's all Koolio and the Gang"
---------- 2019-04-05 ----------
00:11:31 <panorain> Hello
00:29:20 <fsmithred> panorain, if you have a question, ask, and eventually someone will answer.
00:57:58 <panorain> fsmithred: Thank You
03:20:52 <emdete> hi, can i install a minimal booting (to shell) system to hd with netinst when network is not available?
04:05:47 <Digit> is devuan conf gonna have live streams to watch?
04:06:23 <Digit> oop, asked too soon, just read down to that. yep.
04:07:26 <hightower2> yep
04:24:19 <tuxd3v> Hello Freedom lovers out there
04:46:12 <fsmithred> is it still without audio, or do I have a problem here?
04:46:43 <golinux> Where are you?
04:47:01 <fsmithred> at Cor's
04:47:24 <fsmithred> gonna leave here soon and come to bridge
04:47:51 <golinux> Everyone is asking including parazyd
04:48:02 <fsmithred> be about an hour
04:48:05 <golinux> You feeling better?
04:48:25 <fsmithred> a little. I slept well.
04:48:27 <djph> "it'll be livestreamed...", well where?
04:48:48 <fsmithred> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDpt2UweGoE&feature=youtu.be
04:49:27 <fsmithred> um, ok. Maybe I'm not really awake. I was just looking for my laptop to put it in the bag.,
04:50:15 <djph> friday april 6 2019 <-- uh guys, you're off by a day ...
04:52:38 <parazyd> djph: #devuan-conf
04:52:43 <parazyd> See /topic
04:56:10 <djph> heh, i actually meant to paste that in a different window :|
04:56:17 <djph> where'd me coffee go
05:00:48 <fsmithred> oh, I pasted the wrong link. Use this one instead: https://www.youtube.com/dyneorg/live
05:01:16 <fsmithred> on my way...
05:41:37 <premoboss> hi, i use the last version of devuan on amd4. everytime i start devuan, no audio present. i must go to pulseaudio control, turn of internal audio and then set the volume level i want. the problem is the system dont take memory of changes an i have to do every time i turn on the system. hany help?
05:48:01 <plasma41> premoboss: The internals of pulseaudio are anything but simple. I wish I could help, but unfortunately that's outside my area of expertise.
05:59:12 * Digit regrets he'll be asleep before he gets a stream download set up... will have to catch it later
06:00:16 <specing> Can't you people just build stuff without pulseaudio?
06:01:38 <djph> heh, they're too busy de-systemd-ifying the whole mess. pulse is next
06:06:11 <specing> there was an interesting proposal a few weeks ago: to have Gentoo's portage operate on top of debian source packages
06:07:06 <plasma41> specing: Where was this?
06:07:27 <specing> in one of the gentoo channels
06:08:45 <specing> I personally think portage needs a redesign, just resolving dependencies on my gentoo systems takes north of 15 minutes (core2duo)
06:09:16 * Digit wonders ... paludis
06:09:59 <specing> there are two replacemtns for portage: paludis and pkgcore
06:10:11 <specing> but so far ... portage is yet to be replaced
06:14:25 <Digit> "ERROR: m3u8 download detected but ffmpeg or avconv could not be found. Please install one." gentoo's installing it! gentoo's installing it! calm down youtube-dl! it'll be ready when it's ready. ;3
06:14:55 <Digit> i am still fond of portage tho. :)
06:15:34 <Digit> more fond of it than any other. (tho the stuff guix gets up to is worth investigating)
06:16:32 <plasma41> Guix is pretty cool. I've been meaning to try it out.
06:17:50 <Digit> a novel accompanyment to any distro.
06:18:32 <specing> Digit: it used to be that ./configure took the longest, now its dependencies > configure > compile
06:19:39 <specing> with exceptions of some C++ shits (libreoffice, kicad, firefox), compile time is <30% total time
06:20:00 <premoboss> plasma41, ok no prob.
06:31:17 <golinux> specing wrote: Can't you people just build stuff without pulseaudio?
06:31:39 <golinux> Do you want to be that person?
06:32:26 <specing> dunno, I haven't yet decided whether to switch to devuan or centos or continue suffering on gentoo
06:33:43 <plasma41> avoid centos if you want to avoid systemd
06:38:31 <specing> plasma41: centos has something devuan doesen't: SELinux
06:39:33 <MinceR> good thing devuan doesn't have that
06:39:41 <specing> why MinceR ?
06:39:44 <MinceR> extra bloat in the name of "security", carrying its own risks
06:39:45 <plasma41> really? I just assumed SELinux was in Debian
06:40:06 <MinceR> afaik it was already discovered to have at least one vulnerability which a SELinux-less system wouldn't have
06:40:36 <MinceR> and to top it off, (almost?) nobody can write a policy for it
06:40:48 <MinceR> iirc even red hat's distros had policy issues even though it's their thing
06:45:16 <detha> MinceR: selinux is pretty magic. And against 1 vuln, I have been able to say 'haha, doesn't affect my C6 boxes because of selinux, patching can wait until normal scheduled downtime' many times.
06:46:16 <detha> (and writing policies is pretty simple nowadays. It was an issue in the early days, when tooling was primitive)
06:47:02 <specing> I'm impressed by SELinux
06:47:15 <specing> try rooting >5.0.0 android phones
06:47:43 <specing> go to xda developers and you'll see how rooting-by-exploit drops after SELinux was introduced
06:48:57 <specing> it works and it works well
07:04:57 <MinceR> in that case, i can recommend rHELL to you
07:05:06 <MinceR> it has more of these intricate and beautiful complexities :>
07:08:42 <detha> Heh. There are two things wrong with RHEL: systemd, and the fact that towards EOL of a release the base packages become really ancient.
07:12:08 <djph> detha: so, the same problems that Debian has these days :)
07:13:07 <plasma41> "towards EOL of a release the base packages become really ancient" -- that's true of every LTS distro
07:13:26 <detha> Only half. RH has a pretty hard policy of 'No major version bumps in any package'
07:14:47 <detha> And because RH attempts to be a 'stable' distribution, they already start with old-ish packages every release
07:15:42 <sxpert> there are 2 versions of debian... "stale" and "usable"
07:20:10 <MinceR> interesting method of getting to a "stable" distribution, building it all on a piece of software that isn't even nearly mature and probably never will
07:22:59 <detha> It works. Until they started giving in to the 'we need newer packages' cries, in >10 years RH/centos I have only had one case where an upgrade broke prod
07:25:16 <MinceR> yeah, except when it just doesn't
07:25:33 <MinceR> like when it freezes on shutdown, or when it forgets to start a service or two at boot
07:25:46 <MinceR> or it waits for some network resource or filesystem forever at boot
07:26:17 <MinceR> i don't know how anyone gets to call a distro release that ships with systemd "stable" with a straight face
07:28:20 <detha> That would be 7.x. We have never put 7 in prod, and even 6 can be made unstable by using SCL stuff.
08:02:40 <jelly> plasma41: yes and no. RH care about some select packages, you
08:03:06 <jelly> will always have latest lvm and device-mapper even on EL6 or EL5 if you keep it up to date
08:03:31 <jelly> Canonical push Firefox release branch into LTS.
08:04:53 <jelly> and both have customers that nag if things break
08:05:44 <jelly> detha: "no major version bumps" really means "we'll introduce new features going from 2.101 to 2.103"
08:08:19 <detha> true. different upstreams have different ideas about what a point version means
08:09:11 <MinceR> most customers seem to be OK with broken things
08:09:27 <MinceR> especially apple and microsoft customers
08:09:27 <detha> RH tries to stick to 'if it worked on x.0, it should still work unchanged on x.15
08:11:49 <detha> Which is a good thing for systems that are certified at 'Using ELx, OS needs to be kept patched, any changes to app means re-certification'
09:29:04 <SigmaTel> Hello! I have a problem with "nvidia-driver" in Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 (amd64, kernel version 4.9.0-8). In the beginning of the init process I get error message from udevd: "Error running install command for nvidia". Is there a way to resolve it?
09:30:40 <SigmaTel> My GPU is NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050.
09:32:42 <gnarface> SigmaTel: just a guess but maybe you're missing the linux-headers-amd64 package (or linux-headers-i386, depending)
09:33:14 <SigmaTel> gnarface: linux-headers-amd64 for this kernel is present and installed.
09:35:03 <ashleyk> yo yo yo
09:35:27 <ashleyk> ubuntu 18.10 seems to detect the network card on this intel NUC, but devuan ascii netinstall couldnt
09:35:48 <ashleyk> wat do
09:36:12 <plasma41> ashleyk: What's the pci id of the nic?
09:36:15 <SigmaTel> Does netinstaller request firmware or else?
09:36:25 <ashleyk> plasma41, let me check
09:37:27 <gnarface> SigmaTel: anything else to that error from nvidia-driver?
09:37:56 <ashleyk> 00:1F.6 I219-V Rev30
09:38:54 <SigmaTel> gnarface: It does start up nvidia-drm afterwards.
09:39:40 <SigmaTel> udevd's error with nvidia module is the first message during init process.
09:40:16 <plasma41> ashleyk: what's the hexidecimal Vender_ID:Product_ID from the output of the `lspci -nn` command?
09:40:22 <gnarface> SigmaTel: is nouveau not blacklisted?
09:41:09 <ashleyk> plasma41, 8086:15be ?
09:41:12 <SigmaTel> It is blacklisted.
09:41:49 <SigmaTel> glxinfo -i says "X Error of failed request: BadValue".
09:43:10 <gnarface> all this should work
09:43:26 <gnarface> dunno what you meant about nvidia-drm though, i don't have that here
09:43:47 <gnarface> i don't think that's the part we're overlooking here though
09:45:01 <gnarface> can you think of anything else weird about the hardware or the install?
09:45:19 <SigmaTel> I have fresh installation of Devuan.
09:45:51 <gnarface> hmm. i wonder if that 1050 is actually new enough you need the backports kernel and nvidia-drivers
09:46:12 <SigmaTel> http://pics.rsh.ru/img/IMG_20190405_171516739_19shlywg.jpg
09:46:17 <gnarface> i wouldn't have expected the hardware to fail though
09:46:23 <gnarface> er, the install command
09:46:30 <gnarface> i would expect it to error later
09:46:59 <SigmaTel> It errors right after the startup.
09:47:34 <gnarface> anything in dmesg?
09:47:49 <SigmaTel> That *is* dmesg.
09:47:56 <plasma41> ashleyk: Those are the IDs I need. Unfortunately I can't find reference to that nic in the h-node.org database.
09:48:37 <gnarface> SigmaTel: sorry i didn't look at your jpg. i can't be that cavalier about what i click on. try instagram
09:49:06 <SigmaTel> I don't use Instagram, I don't need it.
09:54:53 <plasma41> ashleyk: What kernel version are you running?
09:56:10 <ashleyk> plasma41, 4.18.0-17-generic March 13 2019
09:57:57 <ashleyk> anyway, im up and running...may just have to roll with this because of time constraints
10:00:18 <ashleyk> oh...while im thinking about it....
10:00:55 <ashleyk> what is the deal with having ethernet and wifi both connected to the same network/subnet, and why cant i ever get it to work right (especially dhcp makes the devices start trading ip addresses @_@)
10:01:22 <SigmaTel> gnarface: What do I have to do with this udevd error?
10:01:26 <ashleyk> seems like dhcp renew responses come into the wrong network
10:01:32 <ashleyk> device*
10:02:22 <ashleyk> originally i was going to force a setup where ifplugd will make only one active at a time (plug in wifi adapter and ethernet shuts off), but this new board has both wifi and ethernet at all times, so no option to limit it that way
10:02:59 <gnarface> SigmaTel: no idea, just based on the information you've given me, but to be clear, i haven't seen the jpg
10:04:24 <ashleyk> are there nightly install images with newer kernels i should try though, before i ...deploy ubuntu
10:05:04 <gnarface> ashleyk: backports
10:05:15 * SigmaTel sighs
10:05:45 <ashleyk> gnarface, what does that mean
10:06:21 <gnarface> ashleyk: there are newer kernels available in ascii-backports, along with newer mesa, nvidia-drivers, and several other things. threatening to install ubuntu won't get you a different suggestion.
10:06:45 <buZz> > 17:00:55 < ashleyk> what is the deal with having ethernet and wifi both connected
10:06:47 <ashleyk> no, i already installed ubuntu, i just dont have a lot of time
10:06:56 <buZz> if you do so, you get two default routes for the same network
10:06:57 <plasma41> ashleyk: http://deb.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ceres/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso might be worth a shot
10:07:01 <buZz> over two different interfaces
10:07:13 <ashleyk> plasma41, thanks
10:08:00 <ashleyk> buZz, i just know its screwy and..i dont know if there is a way to fix it...slackware didn't seem to have the problem but i cant figure out why
10:08:10 <buZz> ashleyk: wicd is really nice for network interface management , imho
10:08:21 <buZz> it can disconnect wifi on eth connection, at least
10:08:24 <ashleyk> my software writes /etc/network/interfaces
10:08:27 <buZz> probably also the reverse
10:08:38 <gnarface> SigmaTel: did you install nvidia-kernel-dkms? there might still be missing nvidia-* packages
10:08:41 <buZz> oh ok, wicd actually manages the interfaces
10:08:54 <ashleyk> buZz, yeah, i need programmatic control...
10:09:00 <buZz> yes, wicd is a program :P
10:09:04 <gnarface> SigmaTel: (nvidia-kernel-dkms is the thing that needs linux-headers-amd64)
10:09:45 <SigmaTel> It depends on nvidia-driver, so it it installed.
10:09:52 <SigmaTel> it is*
10:10:11 <gnarface> and linux-headers-amd64 was already installed before that?
10:10:25 <ashleyk> is this normal? This server could not prove that it is deb.devuan.org; its security certificate is from sledjhamr.org. This may be caused by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.
10:10:33 <SigmaTel> Yep, for 4.9.0-8 amd64.
10:10:49 <gnarface> ashleyk: their https is messed up i think
10:11:02 <SigmaTel> Maybe I need CUDA thing installed also?
10:11:35 <plasma41> I think sledjhamr.org is one of the mirrors in the round-robin
10:12:12 <ashleyk> all good, im downloading
10:12:52 <SigmaTel> I notice that nvidia-driver-libs-nonglvnd is installed but the nvidia-driver-libs.
10:14:16 <ashleyk> buZz, do you know what directive or rule i need to prevent that?...
10:14:57 <ashleyk> like whatever wicd is doing, i should be able to do it manually.....somehow
10:15:20 <buZz> to prevent what?
10:15:22 <buZz> setting a route?
10:15:44 <ashleyk> whatever is causing screwyness when ethernet and wifi are dhcp on the same network subnet
10:16:01 <buZz> screwyness? it should cause any issues
10:16:04 <buZz> shouldnt*
10:16:11 <buZz> what exact issues are you seeing?
10:16:37 <ashleyk> the most obvious one is that when a dhcp renew happens (lease expires) the devices will either get new ips or trade ips
10:16:39 <buZz> you cant prevent 'whatever' , you need to define what you want :P
10:16:43 <ashleyk> so wlan will switch ips with eth0
10:16:48 <buZz> ashleyk: thats a dhcp server config
10:16:59 <buZz> it should be giving the -same- leases to the -same- mac addresses
10:17:06 <ashleyk> is it? or is the renew response coming into the wrong device
10:17:07 <buZz> and not flip them around willynilly
10:17:12 <ashleyk> ah..hrm...
10:17:22 <ashleyk> so it could be my router being dumb
10:17:29 <buZz> could be, yeah
10:17:39 <ashleyk> or my dhclient
10:22:06 <ashleyk> buZz, see what this guy says, but of course he doesnt expound on it: https://forum.armbian.com/topic/6104-network-manager-woes/?do=findComment&comment=46901
10:22:23 <ashleyk> regarding /etc/network/interfaces: "It's not complicated if you know what you are doing, if you know where to get info (i.e. reading man pages over who knows how old tutorials) and know what to expect from it, especially if you have 2 interfaces (i.e. wired+wireless) connected to the same network."
10:22:53 <buZz> ashleyk: i dont get wtf that forumthread is about
10:23:30 <buZz> my best tip would be ; never use NetworkManager , its -hell-
10:23:34 <buZz> and dumb as f
10:24:23 <ashleyk> oh yeah i know... im going to find out if its just my dhcp server causing the issue as soon as possible, i dont want to use anything other than e/n/i
10:25:44 <ashleyk> ok trying this mini.iso on the intel nuc to see if i can run devuan within my time constraints
10:29:27 <ashleyk> yup! this mini.iso detected the network, and also told me which firmware was missing for the wifi! thanks
10:32:58 <ashleyk> it says it cant find kernel modules, but im going to install it anyway and see what happens
10:36:38 <ashleyk> gnarface, well, it cant detect a disk drive because of missing kernel modules...so at least it had ethernet...
10:43:18 <gnarface> ashleyk: do you know about backports?
10:44:06 <ashleyk> gnarface, not really
10:44:38 <gnarface> ashleyk: i didn't recommend them because it was stupid to do so
10:44:56 <gnarface> ashleyk: let me rephrase that: i wouldn't have recommended them if i didn't think it would work
10:46:15 <gnarface> if ubuntu is working, it's highly unlikely to have anything to do with anything other than their newer kernel
10:46:24 <gnarface> which is something you can get from backports instead
10:46:31 <gnarface> but only you can decide to do that
10:47:21 <ashleyk> well the mini iso worked to detect the network card, but it says it couldnt find the kernel modules (in general) and couldnt detect the disk drive
10:47:58 <ashleyk> i guess im not sure how 'backports' is going to help me install
10:48:27 <ashleyk> or id have to install from DVD image, and then copy backports files via flash drive to get online?
10:48:54 <gnarface> you could complete the netinstall without a network connection, then just copy the newer kernel package and related dependencies over manually
10:48:59 <gnarface> with a usb key or whatever
10:49:03 <gnarface> or the wifi
10:49:11 <gnarface> or another external ethernet device
10:49:20 <gnarface> since you're here in IRC i assume you have a working network connection
10:50:20 <gnarface> or i dunno, maybe that's all too complicated and you'd just be happier running ubuntu. i really don't think so, and in fact i think having to pretend it does might damage your brain permanently. but that's your choice to make
10:51:58 <ashleyk> id rather not run ubuntu, but i dont really have a lot of time to try different things. i didnt know i could finish netinstall without internet
10:52:15 <gnarface> yea it will still leave you with a bootable system if you complete all the steps
10:52:55 <ashleyk> at that point if i had to i could just compile my own kernel
10:52:58 <gnarface> the only thing it couldn't detect was your ethernet right?
10:53:24 <gnarface> if so, it should boot
10:53:32 <ashleyk> though id have to install lots of crap to compile. heh. well as far as i know the stock ascii netboot iso just complained about ethernet, i didnt go further
10:53:47 <ashleyk> ill try it
10:55:54 <gnarface> what kernel version was that ubuntu using?
10:56:44 <ashleyk> 4.18.0-17-generic
10:56:55 <gnarface> backports has something similar
10:57:02 <ashleyk> yeah the ascii netinstall found the disk, so im installing without ethernet and then ill see what i need to do
10:57:37 <ashleyk> looking for my usb ethernet adapter in the meantime
10:58:18 <gnarface> heh, yea you should have listed that amongst your assets far sooner than now
11:01:34 <gnarface> ashleyk: do you not actually have wireless? the wifi might be easier to get running in that thing with the stock kernel.
11:01:40 <gnarface> (usually this isn't the case though)
11:06:37 <ashleyk> gnarface, heh yeah, i was just thinking if the hardware isnt supported by the installer then probably it isnt supported at all yet, but, i found my usb ethernet. the system does have wifi but its an intel iw9000 or something so, i bet the usb might be easier
11:07:10 <gnarface> the usb device might be easier. but the wifi device should work with the stock kernel and the firmware-iwlwifi package, afaik
11:07:11 <ashleyk> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/911828-REG/asus_90_xb3k00ex00000_accy_02_usb2_hub.html
11:07:22 <ashleyk> ok ill know in a few minutes, brb
11:10:27 <ashleyk> yeah onboard wifi and ethernet not detected, but usb device came up right away as enx923402384098234
11:10:52 <ashleyk> cool, so i can just compile my own kernel if worst comes to worst
11:11:04 <gnarface> yes, but the backports kernel probably will work
11:11:18 <gnarface> for the wireless you probably need firmware-iwlwifi, which may or may not also have to come from backports
11:13:02 <ashleyk> ok, so...i put it in e/n/i and i am online now. so, do i just uncomment backports lines in /etc/apt/sources.list or w/e?
11:13:13 <ashleyk> ive never done this before
11:13:49 <gnarface> yes, first uncomment them
11:13:55 <gnarface> then re-run "apt-get update"
11:14:16 <gnarface> then, you'll have to add "-t ascii-backports" to any further commands where you want to use them
11:14:27 <gnarface> it is recommended to just get what you need then comment it out again
11:14:57 <ashleyk> awesome thanks
11:15:00 <ashleyk> im doing it now
11:15:14 <gnarface> so like "apt-get update && apt-get -t ascii-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64 firmware-iwlwifi"
11:15:37 <gnarface> if you plan on using opengl and that thing doesn't have a nvidia card, you'll probably want to get mesa from backports too
11:15:52 <ashleyk> nah i dont need graphics
11:15:52 <gnarface> but probably not anything else
11:16:02 <ashleyk> hah, first problem. /etc/apt/sources.list only has CDROM
11:16:25 <gnarface> there's example backports lines in here https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list
11:16:32 <gnarface> actually example every line
11:16:38 <ashleyk> ok great thats what i need
11:17:27 <gnarface> http://paste.debian.net/1076317/
11:17:35 <gnarface> here is an example of what your sources.list should look like without backports
11:17:40 <gnarface> just append the 2 backports lines to that
11:17:49 <gnarface> but again, comment them back out when you're done
11:18:11 <ashleyk> thanks a lot, with any luck ill be good to go soon
11:18:19 <gnarface> good luck
11:25:46 <tuxd3v> Hello freedom lovers out there
11:25:53 <tuxd3v> Good Afternoon
11:26:21 <unixman> Good morning.
11:27:59 <ashleyk> gnarface, it worked, thank you :)
11:28:10 <gnarface> you're welcome
15:47:57 * Digit wakes, turns on the stream, wonders if he missed it
15:56:08 <ashleyk> Digit, tomorrow
15:57:04 <fleeky> anyone here tried installing rocket.chat on devuan
15:57:05 <Digit> the site says "Starting: Friday, April 5th 2019, 13:00 CEST"... so, was today just people hanging around chatting?
15:57:18 <ashleyk> Digit, seems so
15:57:26 <fleeky> rocket.chat has a debian guide for installing but i am unsure if it would translate to devuan or not
15:58:59 <ashleyk> it should
15:59:10 <ashleyk> just not the systemd stuff
16:02:38 <ashleyk> fleeky, and i guess some people today would use the "docker image"
16:02:41 <ashleyk> whatever that is
16:03:46 <fleeky> fuck a docker image :)
16:03:54 <fleeky> alright well ill just see if it translates ,,
16:29:06 <_abc_> Hi. Is there any devuan vs debian choice advantage in choosing a lamp / lampp stack to install on devuan ascii?
16:31:11 <Digit> so, i'm guessing the stream's started back on a loop...? or is this still live?
16:32:28 <ashleyk> Digit, nothing is live...heh do you not know how to tell if something is live on youtube?
16:32:58 <ashleyk> the day zero video says 4 hours old
16:33:07 <ashleyk> and its 40 minutes long
16:33:31 <Digit> ah. i rarely look at youtube. i just plug the youtube urls into mpv
16:33:38 <ashleyk> if it was live and you scrolled all the way right, it would show a red thing tht says Live
16:34:09 <Digit> idk where the 40mins comes from... what i'm seeing is over 2h
16:34:41 <ashleyk> the 4 day old one?
16:35:07 <Digit> just toggled to this 20m ago, and was watching the prior for something near an hour before they switched stream.
16:35:08 <ashleyk> https://www.youtube.com/user/DyneOrg/videos
16:35:26 <ashleyk> hmmm, not sure...i dont see anything
16:36:04 <Digit> https://www.youtube.com/dyneorg/live is what i plugged into mpv. was https://youtu.be/Wqn9g08SvU8 when it started, now https://youtu.be/J_8v9tEhcWY
16:36:25 <ashleyk> yeah thats from april 1st
16:36:30 <Digit> nothing much happening but mulling around and prep... looks like a talks about to start tho.. looks like it might indeed be the morning.
16:39:07 <Digit> okies. as you first said then. :/ "tomorrow"
16:40:44 <ashleyk> Digit, #devuan-conf
16:45:20 <Digit> thanks. (tho methinks could have done with mention of that chan in https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/d1conf-announce-20190119 ( https://devuan.org/d1conf ) or in the topic here)
16:45:35 <Digit> oops! i missed it is in the topic here.
16:45:44 * Digit gets breakfast
16:49:41 <_abc_> What's #devuan-conf ?
16:52:00 <gnarface> _abc_: devuan conference channel
16:52:02 <Digit> a conference happening this weekend for the distribution of gnu/linux whos chan you're in.
2019-04-05
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